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I think not, you are were you deserve to be after 38 games, it's not the players fault or curbishleys they signed the 2 argies, nor the fans- and besides tevez is skill and i want to see him the premiership next yeat

i agree, football shouldnt be sorted in a courtroom.  from what i hear its only a slightly dodgy contract its not like he didnt have a work permit or something that id consider more serious

i think neil warnock should be shot for being a total cunt.

I think Warnock should chill out to Tévez's Cumbia villera band Piola Vago

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I put no mainly because of what DMR mentioned.

Warnock has made so many silly errors and comments it's untrue.

Good riddance.

At the end of the day, before the season starts all Premier League teams vote and chose an independent panel to arbitrate on such cases, and then agree to be bounded by the findings of said panel.

When something like the Tevez issue happens and the panel rules on it, the teams can't then turn around and say "i don't like the judgement, i'm going to sue" even though they signed a contract saying the agree to be binded by any result the panel finds!!

West Ham should defo stay up, just wish it was plastic Wigan and not Sheff Utd, a proper club!

agreed many times over

They should have been docked points for signing a player that may not have been signed had the full truth been disclosed at the time.

I don't like the idea of most of the legal action in football, but if the PL won't play by their own guidelines and with £30m at stake it's inevitable.

So I voted yes for these reasons. And of all the teams I wanted to stay up West Ham were the one (didn't really care much TBH). I quite like Curbs.

Warnock is ace, you gays.

Although I have no issues with West Ham, and am probably just playing devils advocate but.....

I'm sure you all remember when we were wronged by the Football Authorities, and although we probably wouldn't have been able to pay a massive fine, we were effectively demoted.

There really does need to be some sort of consistency. I've no idea of the severity of out crimes compared to West Hams, or Spurs', or Bury's, or Leeds.....But the outcomes have varied massively!

If teams are going to be fined for this sort of thing, then they should be fined a percentage of their yearly revenue or something.

And if they are going to deduct points, then they need to deduct points from every team that breaks these rules.

Consistency is the key.

I agree to a certain extent - alas the FA and Premier League are two different ruling bodies - so can judge as they wish - and the PL discipline comitee rules seem to have been unilaterally agreed at the start of the season.  In 1990 we couldn't have afforded a huge fine, so I guess we had to have a points deduction or similar - Bury and non-league teams are the same - tens of thousands would be more than Bury could afford.  West Ham perhaps should have been docked points but the authorities had the choice - ie they could hit the club witha big fine knowing it could be paid - in 1900 if we'd have been fined £500k it could have bankrupted the club IMHO - not saying it was right just that there was a choice to be made.

to be fair, 500k was a lot of money in 1900

I know but even £100k would have been a massive sum to a club who were skint.  If did something similar to West Ham now and got a fine not points loss we'd be proper screwed about £50 would put us on the back foot.

No; West Ham shouldn't be relegated, they've been given their punishment and that's that as far as I'm concerned.

All this threatening of court action is pathetic and it's only because managers like Warnock are looking for an excuse for their teams' shite performances that couldn't keep them in the Premiership.

I think you missed the irony in Dave's post, Matt  :D

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Yes it was, in fact £10 was a lot of money in 1900!

Interesting development :

Fifa will investigate Tevez saga  

Fifa is to investigate whether West Ham should have been docked points for breaching rules over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano...

be funny if Sheff Utd went through the whole legal process and in the end were deducted points...2 points.  :D

Here comes FIFA... West Ham have nothing to worry about  :wink:

West Ham finished with more points than, Fulham, Wigan, Sheffield United, Charlton and Watford, so no....

But they broke the rules - which were there for a reason...

Imagine if Chelsea do this for the new season, a fine is nothing...

If WHU are deducted points it will be from the start of next season now?

i dont even care really. in fact i hate West Ham. id find it funny if they were docked points

west ham were found guilty of breaking the rules,it could be argued that the punishment wasn't harsh enough.
plus the player that almost single handedly kept up west ham is the reason they did break the rules.
i can understand why sheff utd are bitter about it.
that said i dont give a monkeys either way.but i quite like neil warnock,he's honest and tells it like it is

The rules they broke aren't punishable by a points deduction though, and every single club agreed to the disciplinary sanction prior to the beginning of the season.

Tough shit really, should stop trying to blame their relegation on someone else.

i think as far as the other clubs are concerned its been dealt with, so they should shut up, especially Warnock; just cause he hasa column on BBC website he thinks everyone should agree with what ever he says .

however, whats effectively happened is WHU have been charged 5.5 million for Tevez, which sounds like a bargain to me - wouldn't have thought you would get a lot of change out of 20 if you wanted to buy him - plus they have just been paid more than that for staying up.  Basically the premier league haven't really thought through the penalty, so its been dealt with, but dealt with in a characteristically cack way.

Punishment on WHU not harsh enough from the FA. But they took what they were given got on with the job and stayed up. I would prefer to see WHU in the prem than Sheff utd they are shit and consequently went down

plus at the time everyone was very much 'ooh 5.5 million, thats a lot, especially since they are sure to go down - EPL have been quite harsh'.  having pulled themselves out of the shit now, it looks like they have done quite well out of it.

I do wonder what happens if they flog tevez off - presumably they don't actually own him, regardless of what they say now.  could cause some problems ?

If you believe West Ham his registration is fine now, as they came up with a deal that mutually beneficial for the club and the bloke who owned his registration before (Kia something or other). It was the previous regime at West Ham (including Pardew?) who commited the offence, so it would be harsh on the players, management and the new owners if all their hard work (you have to give them credit, they did look dead and buried at one point and to stay up is some achievement) was put to waste.

They could really rub it in and offer to sell Tevez to Sheffield United.

The punishment has been decided - the time for the protest was then, not 'wait and see how it finishes'

I'm afraid that's a load of ill informed bollocks. The panel's own judgement reads at one point "ordinarily such offences would result in a points deduction".

It then goes on to list half a dozen reasons why they didn't apply a points deduction some of which are:

* It would threaten West Ham with relegation
* It would punish the fans and players who are innocent

Which I think you can paraphrase as:

"Blah blah blah blah bollocks....basically we bottled it because we thought West Ham and their new millionaire Icelandic Chairman might sue."

As I've said in a thread before the fact that we were originally relegated 2 divisions for fiddling our wages to get a few lower league cloggers on the cheap, whilst this lot run a contract fiddle to sign a couple of young south american world cup stars on the cheap, and aren't docked a single fucking point makes me fucking furious.

It seems to me that the richer clubs can get away with fucking murder, whilst clubs like ours get shafted. But hey if you're not bothered then fair enough.

Oh and the argument that the Tevez signing wasn't significant is an equally large pile of shite. Have you not read the papers for the last month! The man's won 4 or 5 games virtually single-handed.

Do you think if he was playing for Sheffield United or Charlton they wouldn't have picked up a few more points?

But they didn't have a chance to sign him did they because like West Ham they couldn't have dreamed of affording his transfer fee.

West Ham got around that by carrying out a deliberate fraud. They could not have signed him in a million years without that! There's probably about 12 points minimum that are directly attributable to that fraud.

How can anyone not think that's unfair?

Done and dusted now, time to move on for sheffield united.  No one gave a fuck about us when the FA screwed us so fuck them all.