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I can't help thinking that Sturrock is not the right man for the job. Given the quality of the team and league position that he inherited I think almost any manager could have taken us up. If we do go up most of the credit should go to Wise for laying the foundations not Sturrock.

Sturrock is too miserable, he puts the players down all the time and treats them like kids. If I was a player I wouldn't want to play for him. His last two jobs have both ended in faliure and the sack. He is in the last chance saloon with us if he screws up he will be on the managerial srapheap for ever.

I say if we don't go up we should cut our losses before it's too late otherwise we might find ourselves doing an Oxford.

If we do go up though then fair play to the bloke 4 promotions in about 5 seasons what a legend we are lucky to have him.

i think thats a bit superficial. he seems to be an honest manager, i just worry that he listens to the current board too much. are you just fishing redunderthebed?

I am fishing a little 8)  But I don't think he has really improved anything since he took over and i think we should have got promotion more easily given the position he started from.

easy to say methinks, he (wise) only had a few matches really. it still takes a good manager to get the best out of players - just look at the number of players who have underperformed over the years. he was brought in to do a job and (hopefully) by tomorrow he will have succeeded in doing so. he has my vote of confidence for a year in League One.

although i am a fickle bastard and that could change dramatically if it goes tits up tomorrow!  :soapy tit wank:

we should keep him but he has to get it right next season.

Even if we do go up, I still think this season has been a failure.

Sturrock has messed around with what Wise put together to much mid-season.

He should have left it, got promoted then changed it all around.

would help him if the politics at the club were more stable next season, can't be easy not knowing what the fuck is about to happen. but yes, in general i would agree with you DV, he has, i think, earnt the right to manage this club next season - to start a season fresh and to have the players over the summer to see what he can do will be interesting.

what wise has shown us is how important getting some fucking hard work done in the summer is and having a fully fit, tuned team coming out of pre-season, that's what sturrock needs to maintain and then i'll back him

for what it's worth i think we'd be champions by miles if wise was here

I think if Wise was still here we'd be champions

I also think if Sturrock had been appointed in June like Wise was, and had been here all season and had pre-season we'd also be champions.

the concentration of time on the training pitch during the off-season is important to managers, to be denied that time is a big disadvantage, i don't feel its fair to sturrock to judge him on two thirds of a season. personally i'd like to see him in charge for a whole year before running riot on him. i see premiership managers sacked after 10 or 12 games and think it is silly - its no time to make a difference.

i think you are spot on there dv

spot on the both of you.

i've not been totally convinced by sturrock but he needs a pre-season to mould his team into his style, until he's given that opportunity i will reserve judgment.

Exactly, Sturrock has inherited players that didn't fit the way he goes about managing a club and playing football.

I'm confident that given the opportunity to get some players in and work with them through pre-season he'll produce a decent team. A few more Barry Corr's will suit me fine.

Also, don't forget Paul Evans. While Wise was here he was fit and bossing the midfield, while Sturrock has been here he's mostly been injured. He's been a big big loss imho.

I dont think we would have won the league under wise either. We have hardly played well all season, with a few notable exceptions, Even most of the games we have won there couldnt really have been any complaints had we not won. Same goes for under W*se. I think the dwarf gambled on too many players that hadnt proved anything in preseason.

Nah - our general run of form under him has been great. It's just that the Franchise have not let-up either.

Luggy is re-building this club ala Macari. I like the cut of his jib! 8)

is this a joke thread? Paul Sturrock is a class act. You can tell it from the way he talks to the way he's rebuilt the relationship with the fans. Anyone who doubts him is a complete idiot. He's done it with plymouth and he'll do it with us. And as for siding with the board, theyre his employers until anything changes so he isn't going to slag them off is he.

Surely this thread can be locked now!

Luggy's here to stay!

i demand him out, we couldn't even beat a shit walsall team  :evil: