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Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, April 30, 2007, 10:28:26 We had to stump up £3 more for the Rovers match and where were all these 'extra police' that had to be paid for, especially when our fans were being battered in the pub. It was just Bristol scum hiking the prices up due to high demand for tickets.
Just look at Hereford; coppers everywhere it must have cost them a fortune - 100s more copers than at Bristol and did we have to take the cost NO. Fuck off Bristol Rovers, you're not fit to share our ground Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, April 30, 2007, 10:40:20 to be fair the helicoptor in the air for 6/7 hours and police escorts at say £30 an hour a copper must have added up.
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Give us an S on Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:24:40 The police that were there did nothing. They must be pissing themselves at the overtime money they received for doing nothing.
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: DV on Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:26:04 they charged US extra, so they could get in extra police to stop their fans getting on the pitch.
Thats all they wanted, and thats what they did Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, April 30, 2007, 11:26:09 fair points but if they were not there they would have had lots of issues
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Amir on Monday, April 30, 2007, 12:18:48 The police did what they always do, i.e. surround one of the two firms(normally the away team's), and prevent major incidents around the ground. It's what they've been doing for years in this country and it's largely very effective, even Saturday on these points they did their jobs.
The police wouldn't expect something like what happened at The Inn on The Green, so you can't really blame them for that. Where they did fail is letting that group get away, at the very least they should have section 60'd them so they could be identified later. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: BB12 on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:06:24 Quote from: "Amir" at the very least they should have section 60'd them so they could be identified later. What's that ? Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Amir on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:11:35 Something they put in force in areas of potential large-scale disorder, where they can basically stop anyone to get their name, search them for offensive weapons and take of photograph of them.
If they'd have done that and taken witnesses details at the scene, then they'd have something to go on. They've got away with it now. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: ghanimah on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:14:47 Quote from: "Amir" Where they did fail is letting that group get away, at the very least they should have section 60'd them so they could be identified later. From what I understand you can't identify people under section 60 only search them. The police have the power to search you for weapons (and dangerous instruments). They have no other powers under S60. They can only detain you "for as long as necessary to carry out a search". Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:17:36 Fleming
When you are sectioned 60 they usually take your details, search you for weapos and other things. Go through your wallets etc. Quite a powerful thing Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: ghanimah on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:20:15 Quote from: "Bushey Boy" Fleming When you are sectioned 60 they usually take your details, search you for weapos and other things. Go through your wallets etc. Quite a powerful thing But you're entitled to refuse them to take your details - they are only allowed to search your wallet for dangerous items not take your details. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:22:33 Have you ever been stopped at a footy match? Football fans are treated like scum (ok saturday they were) but if you argue or get a bit cocky you wouldnt stand a chance
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Amir on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:23:02 You may well be right, although they have always used it that way in the past because they are fully aware people don't know their rights. Also, as a friend of mine who's always moaning about having it happen to him said, "It's easier to just give them your name". Now I'm not advocating the police being heavy handed or abusing their position, but they certainly could have got something on them.
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: sonic youth on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:27:32 All of us on the minibuses to Hereford were S60'd as we got off the minibus which seemed pretty absurd.
Interesting that you can refuse to give them your details, when I stalled over giving my details after I got turfed out at Hereford I was threatened with arrest. Nice. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Give us an S on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:30:55 I had it happen to me. They didnt search my wallet at first. But when it came to taking details they took my wallet and got all the details off my driving licence. 2 of them pinned me to a wall while the search was carried out. The pigs treat you like scum at a football match.
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: ghanimah on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:31:25 Quote from: "Bushey Boy" Have you ever been stopped at a footy match? Football fans are treated like scum (ok saturday they were) but if you argue or get a bit cocky you wouldnt stand a chance I have yes on a number of occasions which is why I know the section 60 law inside out, it's one example of why if you give Police too much power they abuse it - you're right we are treated like scum. Unfortunately I often have a couple of beers before a match so theres always the old 'he was drinking your honour'. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: sonic youth on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:34:03 Doesn't matter if you've been drinking or not either Fleming, I was accused of having alcohol on my breath at Hereford as well - I don't even fucking drink.
I'm not bitter about it, honest Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Give us an S on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:35:53 Quote from: "sonic youth" All of us on the minibuses to Hereford were S60'd as we got off the minibus which seemed pretty absurd. Interesting that you can refuse to give them your details, when I stalled over giving my details after I got turfed out at Hereford I was threatened with arrest. Nice. Yep they were tossers to us that day as well. They didnt take my details when i got off the bus, just searched me. But they wouldnt let me and Spud go to a pub when we asked where the oxford pub was. They said you are going straight to the ground. We asked why? as there was ages till kick off and we wanted a pint. He said how do u expect us to treat people like you lot? having a go at us for singing swindon songs and being in good spirits. We walked to the ground then just walked back past the police 2 mins later and went to the pub anyway though. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:41:04 Wasnt a dig at you fleming just I wouldnt try and resist giving details. As others have said its easier to just give your name
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: ghanimah on Monday, April 30, 2007, 13:46:22 Quote from: "Bushey Boy" Wasnt a dig at you fleming just I wouldnt try and resist giving details. As others have said its easier to just give your name No worries I know :D just civil liberties is one of my soapbox moments as I have seen the lack of them abused too many times Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Spencer_White on Monday, May 7, 2007, 18:57:00 In my experience if you refuse details under sec60 then they threaten you with arrest.
They are not allowed to look through a wallet or phone on a sec60, only in the station after an arrest. They are allowed to remove any clothing obscuring the face, ie hats, scarves. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Monday, May 14, 2007, 11:52:06 I went on a critcial mass protest in London a few months ago and was pinned in by the police and told I was being held under section 60. As I was with some old hands at protesting etc everyone just removed their crash helmets and submited to a search. No one gave their name when asked instead we were told but the event oringers to tell the police that they had no power to ask for that infomation. As i was suber as a judge with a load of studnets and had a push bike with me the police were alright. they were all togged up in roit gear but were ok. Just goes to show how shit football fans are treated. In the furture every effort should be made to refuse any co-operation with the police as they are abusing their powers all the time. good site below for all sorts of legal info
http://www.urban75.org/mayday01/s60.html Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Monday, May 14, 2007, 12:15:33 dont you mean BNP rally?
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Spencer_White on Monday, May 14, 2007, 12:30:22 If you are on a rally, its just a rally. You could slip off home at any time. If you go to football they know you have somewhere to be at 3pm. Besides, threatening to arrest you at football is no idle threat with all the football related legislation.
Plus theres this unwritten rule that police forces MUST charge everyone who is arrested with any involvement with football. Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 11:35:05 I am not always a racist plastic hoolie sometimes I am pollicatly active more so when it comes to cyclist rights!
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 11:54:14 Gazza's Fat Mate in sensitive side shocker!
Title: An increase in price and where were the police? Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 12:16:07 amazing he mentions plastic a few days after moving to Milton Keynes
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