Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: STFC Village on Friday, April 20, 2007, 13:17:44 England have named Peter Moores as the permanent successor to departing head coach Duncan Fletcher.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6573813.stm A very quick decision, but i think it's the right one Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: mattboyslim on Friday, April 20, 2007, 13:20:30 Kudos the ECB for a quick decision, interesting to see if there are substantial changes to the approach or a smoother continuation of teh status quo.
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Johno on Friday, April 20, 2007, 13:28:59 i don't know much about him to be honest so...good decision by the ECB! 8)
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, April 20, 2007, 13:29:02 Good call to give the Moores a chance.
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Friday, April 20, 2007, 13:39:53 Very pleased with that. The winning culture he created at Sussex and the results he achieved speak for themselves. He has obviously impressed a lot of people whilst in charge of the Academy and England A as well.
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: fatbury on Friday, April 20, 2007, 14:19:48 No I have to say its a bad choice .. has no real experience of International Cricket as a player or a coach and worst of all hes English - and thus ala MacLaren in the footy wont have the respect of the players.
I would rather have had a seasoned and proven top class player from abroad who commanded respect from the off. Its just the cheap easy option .. for ECB read FA Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Friday, April 20, 2007, 14:29:43 Quote from: "fatbury" has no real experience of International Cricket as a player or a coach nor did john buchananp; let me know how he's gone as australia coach will ya Quote from: "fatbury" nd worst of all hes English - and thus ala MacLaren in the footy wont have the respect of the players. it's nothing to do with nationality, it's the qualities, personality and structures you bring to the job. mcclaren'sproblem is that he's shit. moores has a quality reack record Quote from: "fatbury" Its just the cheap easy option .. for ECB read FA nah the ecb don't need to save money. everyone wants the england job; moody, bracewell and whatmore were all keen. the ecb went with the guy they felt was the most progressive young coach in the world Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: mattboyslim on Friday, April 20, 2007, 14:34:43 Quote from: "Boeta" Quote from: "fatbury" has no real experience of International Cricket as a player or a coach nor did john buchananp; let me know how he's gone as australia coach will ya Quote from: "fatbury" nd worst of all hes English - and thus ala MacLaren in the footy wont have the respect of the players. it's nothing to do with nationality, it's the qualities, personality and structures you bring to the job. mcclaren'sproblem is that he's shit. moores has a quality reack record Quote from: "fatbury" Its just the cheap easy option .. for ECB read FA nah the ecb don't need to save money. everyone wants the england job; moody, bracewell and whatmore were all keen. the ecb went with the guy they felt was the most progressive young coach in the world FACT! you can't exclusively comapre footy and cricket, for a start no football maanger has a selection comittee and selectors picking his side. Fact is we are a decent cricket team, and have recruited a promising coach, to me this suggests a bright future, there are no gurantees, but people who no plenty more about cricket than em rate the guy. Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Spud on Friday, April 20, 2007, 14:47:30 Quote from: "fatbury" No I have to say its a bad choice .. has no real experience of International Cricket as a player or a coach and worst of all hes English - and thus ala MacLaren in the footy wont have the respect of the players. Did your 'source' tell you that? How do you possibly know that he wont have the respect of the players? he must have had the repect of the Sussex players a few years ago. Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: fatbury on Friday, April 20, 2007, 15:33:00 Just my opinion ... I shall bring this post back up in 2 years time when we change coaches
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: sonic youth on Friday, April 20, 2007, 15:42:02 ...and I'll bring this post up when we whitewash the Windies.
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Spud on Friday, April 20, 2007, 15:42:44 Quote from: "sonic youth" ...and I'll bring this post up when we whitewash the Windies. 8) And fatbury wonders why he gets banned all the time. Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: lebowski on Friday, April 20, 2007, 16:51:47 just glad they picked someone and backed him to do the job, none of that "caretaker" nonsense.
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, April 20, 2007, 16:52:19 good move. lets see what he can do
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 20, 2007, 17:34:00 Quote from: "Rich" good move. lets see what he can do Whilst agreeing its right to give the fella a chance, I have misgivings, the key imperative for making your way in English cricket, is to be a good chap, safe pair of hands, wont rock the boat type. Think it would have been better to have got a complete outsider, who would rattle the cage.....Shane Warne for me. Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 01:53:10 utter shite fatbury, he is an innovative coach and instantly will have the respect of the players because hes incredibly hands on.
and utter bollocks about experience, the aussies seem to be doing ok. he creates teams that get in the habit of winning. biggest roar of the day at hove was when it was announced on the pa. Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 09:06:48 Quote from: "mexico red" utter shite fatbury, he is an innovative coach and instantly will have the respect of the players because hes incredibly hands on. and utter bollocks about experience, the aussies seem to be doing ok. he creates teams that get in the habit of winning. biggest roar of the day at hove was when it was announced on the pa. Another concern is that Moorees has been appointed on the strength of Sussex winning the championship.....however it should be noted that the quality of this is skewed by central contracts....Sussex supplying no players to England on a regular basis.....if Moores is so good why not? Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 10:11:58 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "mexico red" utter shite fatbury, he is an innovative coach and instantly will have the respect of the players because hes incredibly hands on. and utter bollocks about experience, the aussies seem to be doing ok. he creates teams that get in the habit of winning. biggest roar of the day at hove was when it was announced on the pa. Another concern is that Moorees has been appointed on the strength of Sussex winning the championship.....however it should be noted that the quality of this is skewed by central contracts....Sussex supplying no players to England on a regular basis.....if Moores is so good why not? you cannot polish a turd reg. moores has made several potential county journeymen lay well above their original potential and become top county cricketers you forget moores has also been appointed on the strength of his work with the ECB Academy and the England A side Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: lebowski on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 10:34:42 and because he's english :england:
Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 12:14:33 Quote from: "Boeta" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "mexico red" utter shite fatbury, he is an innovative coach and instantly will have the respect of the players because hes incredibly hands on. and utter bollocks about experience, the aussies seem to be doing ok. he creates teams that get in the habit of winning. biggest roar of the day at hove was when it was announced on the pa. Another concern is that Moorees has been appointed on the strength of Sussex winning the championship.....however it should be noted that the quality of this is skewed by central contracts....Sussex supplying no players to England on a regular basis.....if Moores is so good why not? you cannot polish a turd reg. moores has made several potential county journeymen lay well above their original potential and become top county cricketers you forget moores has also been appointed on the strength of his work with the ECB Academy and the England A side Whoop-de do....I look forward to an England side packed with county journeymen. It apears to me that Moores appointment has everything to do with the ECB thinking "well we've got this structure in place, so what the hell is the point of it if fellas can't start in it and work their way up" Anyway, best of luck to the fella.....lets hope Adil Rashid is as good as he looks. Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 22:52:50 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "Boeta" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "mexico red" utter shite fatbury, he is an innovative coach and instantly will have the respect of the players because hes incredibly hands on. and utter bollocks about experience, the aussies seem to be doing ok. he creates teams that get in the habit of winning. biggest roar of the day at hove was when it was announced on the pa. Another concern is that Moorees has been appointed on the strength of Sussex winning the championship.....however it should be noted that the quality of this is skewed by central contracts....Sussex supplying no players to England on a regular basis.....if Moores is so good why not? you cannot polish a turd reg. moores has made several potential county journeymen lay well above their original potential and become top county cricketers you forget moores has also been appointed on the strength of his work with the ECB Academy and the England A side Whoop-de do....I look forward to an England side packed with county journeymen. It apears to me that Moores appointment has everything to do with the ECB thinking "well we've got this structure in place, so what the hell is the point of it if fellas can't start in it and work their way up" Anyway, best of luck to the fella.....lets hope Adil Rashid is as good as he looks. i'm sorry reg but your knowledge of cricket is obviously not as extensive as your ability of recalling stfc statistics from 1958/69 why will the england team be full of county journeymen? it's just indicative of moores that he took players of that level and got them playing consistently above it. like he has done with players of a higher standard still in the england a side over the last couple of years Title: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Saturday, April 21, 2007, 22:56:38 and theres sussex players in the england a side :wink:
Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:10:56 Just my opinion ... I shall bring this post back up in 2 years time when we change coaches Is 16 months enough Fatters? Boeta...you still think Moores is the man for the job? Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 15:26:02 it's difficult to say
there's been a number of cock-ups recently... but your guess is as good as mine as to who is actually responsible is it the national selector, the other selectors, the coach, or the captain? certainly moores doesn't have the selection powers that fletcher did so i'm not sure he can be blameworthy for the ridiculous selections of pattinson, harmison (squad) and collingwood over the past two tests - that's probably geoff miller Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 15:58:15 Prersumably in such a Byzantine set up, the political skills of Machiavelli come in handy.
Maybe as I alluded to previously Moores is a bit more malleable than the cussed Fletcher, which is partly why he got the job. What is undeniable is at teh moment Team England...looks to heading for the rocks, about to go down with all hands on deck. I wonder if the whole IPL thing is causing dressing room unrest? Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 16:01:51 you can't blame the ipl, england have been playing very average cricket since the 2005 ashes
Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 16:26:03 you can't blame the ipl, england have been playing very average cricket since the 2005 ashes It's a fair point, but at least at home we've been reasonable.... I'd put our situation down to a lack of decent performers, due to the structure of our game...namely too many Kolpak players and journeymen, blocking up the route for younger players. Classic example on Sat with Middlesex...play Aussie/Dutch former skier Nannes, who goes for plenty, rather than Stephen Finn, who looks useful, and may have gained considerably from being involved. Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 16:43:03 The whole system is fucked up. Not just Moores. The selection is terrible. Who are the selectors these days? Vaughan has lost his spark as captain and is becoming totally useless with the bat. Moores is slowly becoming a wasted coach who seems to have done nothing. We are a terrible side these days sadly.
Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 16:48:14 ashley giles is a selecter oddly
Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 17:27:51 ashley giles is a selecter oddly As is James Whitaker, who played one test....also Hugh Morris is something or other. Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: fatbury on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 17:31:10 To me Moores has proved he ISNT the man for the job ...
still like to have Shane Warne as coach Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 17:34:03 Shane Warne may be a cunt but Fatters does have a point. At least he has a winning mentality etc. Doubt he'd take the England job though.
Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Boeta on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 18:30:02 Shane Warne will never take a head coach anywhere in the world
you lose count of the number of times he said "the only coach you need is the one that gets you from the hotel to the ground" he joined rajasthan in the ipl on the basis that he could take the official 'coach' role so that he his team didn't have to have one Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Spud on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 21:22:48 To me Moores has proved he ISNT the man for the job ... still like to have Shane Warne as coach Can you drop the whole Shane Warne for England coach bullshit? it's about as boring as your love for Michael Pook. Title: Re: England name Moores as new coach Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 31, 2008, 22:15:40 Can you drop the whole Shane Warne for England coach bullshit? it's about as boring as your love for Michael Pook. I'm with Fatters on Shane Warne...he's experienced in County cricket as well as world cricket, has expressed an interest in the job, although that may have lapsed due to his poker commitments..and would command respect from the players. |