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The board of TrustSTFC today announced its backing for increased protests, in light of the STFC board's continued failure to enter into a Non Disclosure Agreement and engage in talks with the Fans' Consortium about a proposed takeover.

At the last TrustSTFC members meeting on 31st March, fans considered three protest options, all of which were backed overwhelmingly in the event that the club continued to stall over talks with the Consortium. The options were :-


Give full Trust backing to the protests after games which fans independently started some weeks ago
Call for a boycott of matchday programmes, the profits from which do not benefit the club but instead are retained by Dunwoody Sports Marketing.
Investigate the options for a campaign to withhold season ticket money until such time as fans can be assured that that money will be spent wisely by a board we can have faith in.

While we will back protests after the games, we would reiterate our call that during the match fans should focus solely on backing the team 100% in the ongoing quest for promotion - Paul Sturrock and his team have done tremendous work in getting us

to within touching distance of League One, helped by outstanding support from the fans. We wish this to continue for the remaining games of the season.

For years, we have, as fans, been told to "put up or shut up" by the board whenever any criticism has been made of the running of the club - the Fans' Consortium have done precisely that, with a serious offer for the football club and its parent company. The club board should now come good on their repeated promises and either enter into negotiations or else explain to fans why they are not willing to do so.


Why are we calling for protests now?

Despite the encouraging progress on the pitch this season, the club remains in serious peril due to the huge ongoing losses built up over the last five years and the extremely high risk strategy of relying on a renegotiation of the CVA. This is high risk for two reasons, first the creditors may reject the revised proposal leaving the club in imminent danger of being liquidated, or even if they agree, the recent example of Scarborough shows that the football authorities may choose to view such an arrangement as in effect a new CVA and impose a 10 point deduction (or worse) as a result.

Given that the Fans' Consortium has the means to complete the CVA successfully to its original timetable, it is beyond belief that the club board have failed to sit down and properly discuss what the Consortium has to offer.


http://www.truststfc.co.uk/news_item.php?id=1059

SHIT  --------->  FAN

Looks like i'll be outside the Arkells after Mansfield unless the phantom NDA document arrives via magic post from magicland.

Increased protests?

Is it time to tool up?

We need more megaphones. Maybe a super megaphone which can use sound to kill. Also that laser from Goldfinger. That way we could write stuff on the moon. Woot.

Roll on Mansfield!

I thought we were protesting against the board? Surely that would only work for fatties like us, little folk like Simon "Willow" Pieman and "Ewok" Asher would probably just get hurt.

Are you saying I'm fat?

How hurtful. I thought we were friends.

I'm only friends with fat people.

I like Ewok

Ewoks are ace. FACT

 :ontopic:

Let's see how they handle a ST boycott shall we

I really hope it doesn't come to that. Hopefully the forthcoming Ewok battle of Mansfield will have some success.

Let's hope serious talks start before we have to go there.

http://users.physik.tu-muenchen.de/mgorbahn/ewok.jpg

Totally agree, let's hope they get serious about this and this does not need to happen

Get ready for a statement of spin around 5pm tomorrow....

how many people do you think would boycott season tickets?
when we get promoted(touch wood) i think more will buy than this season.
especially if they come up with some money saving options.

:tea:

AFAIK, if a ST boycott is effected by the Trust/Consortium then they will guarantee early bird prices even if they don't take control of the club until after the early bird cut-off date.

On the other hand, if the consortium don't get in during the summer then people eill have to face buying ST at full cost.

This season saw one of the highest season ticket take-ups in years thanks to Power, Wise etc.  It's fair to assume very little movement if we get promoted because most that get them on the back of hype already have.  So I'd say around 500 holding out would make a serious financial impact over the summer.

I'm sure something can be worked out to combat that last point. I for one will NOT give them any ST money at all. If it means I buy tickets on the day, thats fine by me.

Club response is up..

so who is right ? its either with Power and Emmell or it isnt?

:shock:  someones made a boo boo

Lets say that only 300 boycotted.

You are talking about nearly 100k worth of revenue lost over a possible 2 month period.

NO business could sustain that with very little other revenues coming in.

Dont forget this will be a call for a boycott on ALL merchandise including replica kit sales etc, which could account for a possible extra 25k.

With next to no revenue coming in and a hole in the operating budget of 125k...................they would not survive.

Fred a response to the response please?

It seems an odd way for them to spin it what the hell is going on?

We can categorically state that we spoke to Mr Davies at 3pm this afternoon and absolutely NO CORRESPONDENCE had been received.

So they've now resorted to full on lying.....fucking hell  :evil:

The board are lying bastards!! What a total joke! What are they going to try and pull next? Lie after lie after lie with this board isn't it?

So that response is a blind lie?

seems a brave tactic on their behalf.

Is there any chance this could be a break down in communications somewhere along the lines?  Will Bill and Phil be making any comment?

I just cannot believe that they have resorted to lying in this way in order to try and make the trust look like fools so they think the fans will turn on them, this tactic will not work, most people know what those idiots are like.

Actually i'm not really surprised they have done something like this as they are capable of anything!

I know they've got a pretty bad record with the untruthful spin, but as yeovil says, that's pretty brave if it's just an out and out lie. Crazy days.

I cant make it any clearer really.

I dont think its a brave tactic................I think it is downright idiotic and suicidal

How fucking desperate are they ?

Surely it has to be a blind lie? Fred confirmed above that they spoke to Mr Davis at 3pm today and there was nothing so it looks like the board are telling porkies!

Board of idiots in desperation shocker!!!!  :mrgreen:

Im worried I really do not think this is an out and out lie,it would as you say be suicidal even they arent that stupid.Ive got to go to work now I want it sorted by the time I get there. :|

Looks like the board want to play dirty and play some mind games!

I have never known a business to pull a stunt like this and blatantly lie to it's customers, obviously they know the end is coming and they are getting really desperate and they are doing anything they can to stay in control of the club, but that stunt is appalling and it is not right at all, i hope the trust release another statement and bury the fuckers!!!

Mr Davies as in the gentleman on the Trust board. With all due respect (not entirely sure of the consortium make up, even after x amount of trust meetings) I want to hear something from the horses mouth, ie the Solicitors or Mr Power or Emmell :shock:

But then if it was received 2 days ago im sure the trust would know about it. Im worried/concerned/confused.

Outright lying, in public, is one thing.

A written statement that is false is something else.

Are they that stupid?

Surely there is libel laws that cover this?

Will the Consortium look to sue?

Will Lassie get back to the well in time to save Johnny?

Exciting, isn't it?

I can't believe they would just make something like that up.

However if it is a lie, surely the lawyer involved  can now contact Radio Swindon/the Adver and tell them that they have not received the NDA and that the NDA is not with their clients, Bill and Phil.

And of course to ask for an aplogy from the board to the fans and the Trust.

Simple

I've just emailed this to Ben:



If there has been acknowledgment of the receipt of the NDA, fucking prove it otherwise you look daft.

Got to agree it's very black and white, one side is telling outright porkies.  Any chance of Davis & Co making a statement to clarify?

Although I do wonder if the club have twisted the Trust statement.  I notice it doesn’t actually refer to who has the NDA but the clubs failure to enter an NDA.  Could be the document is with Davis & Co but is as feasible as shafting a budgie.


Love this bit on the official site though....



Considering the club have never appologised for the cock-up's and bullshit it made me chuckle

bit late for someone to just ring the solicitors unforetunately :|

just trying to split the trust and Bill/Phil up right?


however, they do say they have signed the NDA.....so I guess thats a positive step....if its true....which it might not be

Something doesn't sit right here. They say in writing they have acknowledged receipt of delivery of the NDA.

That is a very explicit and unambiguos statement. Not even they are stupid enough to outright lie. I trust the Trust officials implicitly.

There has to be a breakdown in communication either between Mr Davis (solicitor) and the in box mail tray, or between the clubs solicitors and whoever wrote that statement.

Mind you they probably emailed it to the solicitors and took an email  delivery receipt as proof of delivery:) Obviously I jest.

This has thrown the Ewok Battle of Mansfield into a big Deathstar exploding Forest Moon of Endor Holocaust scenario.

The board wouldn't have signed the NDA.

I'm really pissed off with SSW, If he did tell a fan that the NDA would be signed and it has not been signed then it proves he is as bad as Bowden/Diamandis and is only in it for the money and doesn't give a dam about this club!

To be fair, if it is the hands of solicitors he may not have up to the minute facts. Also didn't he say that on Monday? They claim it was only acknowledge Tuesday.

I wish I was as certain as some on here as to WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!

But I'm not.

My position is one of unquestionable ignorance........................................

I trust the trust 110% and i sincerely hope they have not cocked up here, i still think the board are lying but there's a small chance that there has been a breakdown in communication and they did recieve the NDA but it somehow has not been acknowledged!

KNowing the Board they probably sent Bill Power an iou for one NDA

I'm in the same boat herthab, I haven't got a fucking clue. There couldn't be two more contradictory, opposite and contrasting statements.

It's like one man saying "black is white" and another saying "white is black".

I don't see why either side would outright lie and I genuinely don't think even our board are foolish enough to do so, something's fucked up somewhere.

We need Michael Jackson to act as a negotiator.

Perhaps that was the intention?!

Perhaps they realise they are in trouble and want to turn fans against the Trust?

Maybe. I don't know  :?

Or Bubbles..................

We are working to get an understanding of their statement at the moment.

As soon as I can possibly clarify things for you guys then I shall do so.

What a fucking mess.

I know who I'd rather believe.

what a load of bollocks this board are!  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: total rubbish and delaying tactics surely! makes my blood boil!

I think we all know who we'd rather believe............................

Don't believe the hype 8)

woop woop

The truth is out there.................................................










Fucked if I can find it though...........................................

I blame the postman.

I'd follow you blindly into the sun my portly chum.

woop woop woop

I'm resurrecting my post from 16th March

I'm resurrecting my post from the 19th February 2005

Another statement from the club is forthcoming...

I've got a horrible suspicion that there's been a breakdown in communication and it's led to a totally mistimed outcry by the Trust. At least that's what I'm hoping.

If the board are lying, and I doubt they are, then they would effectively be tying the noose around their own necks.

Another one..........any idea how long, god this is a mess

The only reason I can think the club would issue another statement is because THEY'VE fucked up.

Just a thought, like.

Lets hope so :D

Here it is:

"6.15pm, Thursday 12th April 2007

Despite the claim by TrustSTFC Secretary Andy Tuck in response to the Club Statement, the Board of STFC confirm the following.

On Tuesday 10th April at 10.27hrs Clarke Willmott sent via email an NDA agreement to the Consortium's Lawyers Davis & Co. This was acknowledged by Davis & Co. at 11.26hrs the same day.

The County Ground

Today at 09.46hrs Clarke Willmott received a further email from Christan Evans of Davis & Co. which stated that they were awaiting their clients (The Consortium) instructions.

The Board of STFC therefore respectfully suggest that the Consortium contact their Lawyers for confirmation immediately."

They emailed the NDA........how could it be signed then?

Buggery.

If it was a draft then it's easier to make amendments than if it was a hard copy, I guess.

I'd have assumed it'd all be done via post but apparently not.

:o

Oh dear...

Perhaps the solicitors have the same problem as Asher with their E Mail..

Are E Mails considered legal documents then?

I think it goes between both parties a few times so they can make alterations as part of a sort of negotiating process. At least that's what I thought anyway. I'm not a corporate lawyer and I've never worked at N-Power.

Yes

Exactly.

It begins to sound as if what they think is an NDA is something different

Like Yeovil said, is an email a legal document though? Surely a legal document needs to be a controlled document and sending it over email would make that difficult...

At the risk of being accused of being pro board (Which I'm not) this was all done between 2 sets of solicitors.

Surely solicitors know:

A: What an NDA is.

B: What a confirmation of receipt is.

I got a phone call from Bob just telling me what's in the statement, though he rang me before the statement was put on the website - I'm praying that it's simply a breakdown in communication or someone's misunderstood something, there's no final draft of the NDA yet but an NDA has been drawn up?

I don't know. I'm clutching at straws because I cannot see why anyone would just outright lie.

If, and its a big if, the supposed e-mail contained a NDA as a pdf file, it could have signatures on that that would be considered legally binding, AFAIK.

I'm not doubting you Coxy, but that is staggering if true. How in the name of greek buggery do they tell it's authentic and from who they say it is from (generally, not particularly relating to STFC).

That what I though, I work in the Nuclear Industry and to ensure security only the master documents gets signed and counts as authentic.......signing copies isn't accepted.

But if it's a draft - which it is because there was a query over something according to Holt - then it does make sense to usse email to communicate any amendments. It hasn't been signed yet, which is the important thing.

Judging from what I've heard and my understanding of it, neither side are lying and have malcious intent aforethought - it seems an entirely innocent mistake.

I would expect it to be on formal headed paper etc. More than likely though, its a quick one-liner a la the back of a fag packet. I could demonstrate, but that would break a NDA I'm currently operating under!

My organisation and the Company I deal with uses pdf files as a means of communicating legal documents all the time, and thats as secret squirrel as the nuclear industry.

But you wouldn't sign a copy of an original.

Agree with that but it does give the board sympathisers something to cling on to.

I'm disappointed to say the least.

s'what I mean Si, it's not been signed because it's not been amended yet

All said and done embarrasing statements aside this is good news really and its probably not worth deabating the leagal ins and outs of faxes because nobody knows anything anyway.

Agreed.

Thirded!

when all this is over I'm going to take the entire STFC board out for a beer....














...Ash can pay.

Oops, sorry for taking the thread off on a tangent!

It's more important we find a scapegoat to hang  :D

I'm already well hung....


Boom Voom.

http://fayfreethinkers.com/images/scapegoat-large.jpg

Are we allowed to nominate contenders?

Trust statement out:

useless cunts :D

:)

Power out! :soapy tit wank:

Ive been with Fred this evening and must say this seems to be a complete mis communication by technology.  The email was dumped into a bucket account which is common in business practice and therefore when the checks were done today the emailed document was not found as the bucket account had not been checked.  He has the best ineterests of STFC at heart as do many town fans, I really hope he is not made to feel bad about this.

The main thing is progress has been made and to me the directors must now know if they do not sell then their cash flow will be fucked come summer time.

Id also like to add I would never buy one of those people a drink, also my emails work fine.

I agree with you Ash.

It shows the Consortium's intent and what might well happen if the board don't get on with it.

I'm just a bit concerned about what you say regarding Fred.  This whole episode has nothing to do with Fred fucking up or anything like that, it was the lawyers who fucked up.  Fred has nothing to reproach himself about and I hope the majority will agree with me.  Long live Fred! :D  :D

Thats what I was trying to say Ronnie, just maybe didnt get it across that well.  Lawyers assistants fault.

If the board had sorted things first and foremost weeks ago none of this would of happened

Andy's got nothing to worry about IMO, it really wasn't his fault. If he's just repeating something he's heard (albeit indirectly) from a lawyer, then he's got every right to believe it's true.

 :shock:

Not my experience of lawyers  :?

But definitely not Andy's, or Paul's, or the Trust's fault.

Forward and on. As the heat is.

its all Andys fault.....HANG HIM!

And we moan about the CVA not being payed  :D

I'm calling for the resignation of the entire trust board and instalment of flammableBen's first truststfc empire... mwahahahahaha... etc.

But really. Miscommunication, oops. The board had already gone over the original deadline.

If Jar Jar Binks was the Trust Secretary, none of this would have happened.

I am a bit worried where this leaves the Ewok Battle of Mansfield. We really need a Chewbacca to sort it all out.

Flammable might be onto something with this Star Wars stuff. I can see Emperor Holt wafting his hand and muttering "this isn't the NDA your looking for" at about 3pm yesterday.