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My position throughout all of this, long before the Consortium was formed and subsequently, has been one that approaches everything with an open mind, willing to listen to whatever anyone has to say. People may deem my visit to the CG today as worthless and a waste of time.

Bob Holt, Martyn Starnes and Ben Lambert took nearly four hours out of their day to talk to me today, without exception they were open and happy to answer any question I had. The gesture was greatly appreciated and please bear in mind that I am essentially nobody. I have no agenda, no ulterior motives and nothing to gain. I’m nothing but a layabout student with a passion for STFC – if you approach the club, I’m sure they will be equally willing to accommodate you and talk with you at length. Contrary to popular belief, Bob Holt does exist 8)

Unfortunately my notes don’t make much sense to me, so a lot of this is from memory. None of what I say is a direct quote made by anyone – unless otherwise specified – and please do not take this as gospel truth.

The main topic of discussion, unsurprisingly, was the takeover. It’s unanimously agreed that the Consortium exists – Bob is adamant that he never denied it’s existence – and that a declaration of intent has been made by Mike Wilkes on behalf of the Fan’s Consortium. However, the stumbling block has been to the lack of a concrete offer for the club, the board want to see an offer presented in the proper format – i.e. we will pay X for the club, without prejudice, subject to due diligence and this is the proof that we have the funds to take the club forwards. As of yet, this has not been forthcoming. As has been stated in press releases, if the board are satisfied with this offer then talks will proceed and the takeover may become reality.

However, there are some issues left to be contended with, some of which are concerns raised by Holt and Starnes and some are my own:

-   Who are the Consortium? The club would like details of those involved.
-   Why has Power changed his mind about investing after pulling out previously?
-   Why does Bill believe the £1.2m investment was a loan and not shares? If a loan, he could demand his money back immediately. If shares then he would stand in a better position for negotiation with the board.
-   Why do the Consortium want to do due diligence prior to making an offer, shouldn’t Bill know the financial state of the club a year ago and be able to make a rough offer on that basis? Any offer would not be legally binding as such and they could withdraw it if necessary.
-   If Bill wants to buy the club then why has the offer been fronted by Mike Wilkes?

Personally, my answers to these questions are fairly speculative and there’s certainly room for debate. I must admit that whilst I’ve gleefully accepted much of what has been said by the Consortium as gospel truth, I’ve treated words from the boardroom with disdain and disbelief – despite not knowing for certain what is happening.

Perhaps the most important one for me though is the demands for due diligence prior to making an offer, despite the board’s refusal to do so. Whilst I appreciate that it’s difficult to ‘bid blind’ it’s not as though any such bid would be anything more than a tentative offer which could be adjusted subsequent to due diligence. Furthermore, the club have nothing to lose in opening the books as any information will be confidential under an NDA.

My hope now is that the Consortium compromise and an offer is forthcoming and talks can progress. If the board refuse this, there will no doubt be a backlash and perhaps they will eventually have no other option. Alternatively, they might accept it, sell up and move on with some dignity left intact.

A lot of history regarding the past since the current board took control was discussed, personally I feel we do owe the current board some gratitude for keeping this club alive – we’d have gone down the shitter in 2001 if it wasn’t for their consortium – and whilst they’ve only drip-fed us to keep the club alive, without them we’d have been gone. I accept that few will agree with me on that front but overall I believe that the majority of individuals at this football club want the same as the rest of us: success. Accusations that the board want us to fail are, in my opinion, utterly absurd.

Unfortunately my notes pretty much finished after here but there are a few other things worth mentioning. Most notable has been the treatment of board members by protesters.

Last week, Mike Bowden received a fair bit of abuse whilst escorting a child to meet his parents. I fail to see what he’s done to justify this abuse or how it helps our cause. It’s obvious that the man is a little loopy and rather eccentric in his methods - not to mention there’s a distinct lack of progress in terms of a ground redevelopment – but nevertheless, hurling abusive comments in his direction will achieve nothing. Likewise, the same applies to Holt, Starnes, Gray, Lambert, James Wills and even Mike Diamandis.

As much as I may sound petty for jumping on my high horse, we mustn’t let emotions and personal feeling cloud our judgment. My reasons for wanting a successful takeover is not because I dislike Holt’s dress sense, Gray’s accent or Starnes’ glasses. It’s because I want what is best for STFC – something that I’m sure we all agree with.

As numbers grow at the protests, individuals need to take control of the group before things get out of control. Ideally we need one individual to effectively take responsibility for what happens and as a collective we need to police ourselves – if somebody steps out of line, tell them to shut the fuck up. If things get out of hand and somebody loses control then it’s going to bring a load of bad press our way and we’ll lose all credibility.

I asked Holt why he felt the need to gesture after the game on Saturday and he apologised if it was misconstrued as he was, apparently, giving his approval of us. Whether that was the way we’ve conducted ourselves, our organisational skills or my excellent singing voice I’m not sure. With regards to the comment of not caring what the fans have to say, I must take responsibility for that. I was furious after being told that by the security guard and Holt is more than happy to talk to a small group of us after the game as he feels that standing outside in front of a hundred people is not constructive as it degenerates into a slanging match. In fairness, he has a point – only Millom and myself really got a word in edgeways after the last game.

If anyone would like to put themselves forward to informally represent us rabble after the next home game, let me know and I’ll sort it out. Perhaps people have no interest in hearing what he has to say, that’s your prerogative and I’m simply passing on the sentiment.

Finally, I apologise that I’ve not gone into as much depth as you may have hoped. A lot of what was discussed was going over the same old ground for clarification’s sakes as much as anything. I found Bob, Martyn and Ben to be thoroughly nice people and Bob’s got a better repertoire of swearwords than Paul Davis does.

I may well remember more when I’ve slept on it, so don’t be surprised if I keep adding bits and bobs as time progresses.

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Got to be honest sonic, fair play for going and re laying it.  I think no one should post any personal abuse towards board members, we just want a club ran properly.

Sorry cant think of anything constructive but "gesturing his support" :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I think ill gesture my support to Sturrock next weekend and no offence but I also find it quite worrying that they spent 4 hours speaking to you..do they see you as some sort of cult leader or something.

Though Id say you are right the Consortium need to chuck in a speculative offer.

That bit did worry me, 4 hours?!?! thats a bit of a waste, no offence

Bob Holt - "There was no gesture, I approve of you all!"   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Fair play to Sonic,

I thought that as well but hey I'm a media celebrity now so perhaps they do think I'm famous.

Maybe just the title but I was thinking more...

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Fair play though Sonic 4hrs is a hell of a long time to listen to things being reiterated.

Honest opinion was it worth 4hrs?

management = sitting in meetings all day not doing your actual job  :D

I understand the bit to a certain extent about abuse in front of his family.Imo he was fuckin stupid to take his partner and kid out that way anyway.He likes the confrontation gets off on making himself look good in front of others.

sorry if i cause offence but maverick does the same thing he walks past 2-3 times to get a reaction and thats exactly what bowden done on saturday.Unfortunatly some of us played into his hands.From now on when he comes out to answer questions we should insist that someone who matters answers the questions not just another mouthpiece for the club.

Did the board ask for a Photo op with you? :D

I found it interesting Daz, so yeah it was worth it. I'm happy to listen to whatever they have to say, as crazy as it might sound.

Maverick loves the attention. Just ignore him.

Bowden's a bit confrontational but at the end of the day neither party will achieve anything in that style.

Did you ask any questions about the stadium re-development and Bowdens plans?

No, I'm totally bemused by the whole thing as I haven't got a clue what the plans are or what they involve as my knowledge of the local area is atrocious. If Bowden was there I might have done, although I didn't have my mind-reading earmuffs with me.

Yawn. How many times do they need telling this? The Fans Consortium is comprised of the Trust, Mike Wilks, Bill Power and Phil Emmel (not necessarily in that order).


He hasn't. As has been said many times, he and Phil could no longer work with Diamandis (and vice versa). They're not the first people to find that, and they won't be the last. It wasn't STFC Bill and Phil pulled out of, it was working with Diamandis.

Given the club have effectively conceded they owe the money in their statement on Friday, don't understand why they're still arguing the toss on this one

WTF??? Why would anyone possibly want to find out the financial state of a business before making an offer for it? Good Lord, what a ridiculous idea.

Well according to Bob and Mr Starnes the whole financial basis of the club has been completely turned upside down since then by that rotter Devlin.

Because this isn't simply a case of "Bill Power wants to buy a football club", it's a genuine coalition between Bill and Phil and the fans. Hence the term "Fans' Consortium". TBH, there's little point in going over this one with them - you either get the idea that fans can play a role in a successful partnership in a football club or you don't. The board have made it amply clear over the past 5-6 years that they see fans as little more than cash cows to be patronised and deceived. We will never make them understand the concept of a genuine partnership between club and fans.


Although of course, it would leave any bidder in the somewhat ridiculous position of having to guess at the value of the business, then have the seller go "Nope, try again" ad infinitum. If "Burnin' Leather" Bob et al are in any way serious about being open to offers, where's the harm in at least entering talks about what that possible worth might be, rather than a flat refusal and insistence on a kind of "Pin the tail on the donkey" bidding process.


Which is, of course, also the position with the NDA they were offered back in November, so just what is the problem about opening up them books?



Have to agree with Sonic here - it helps us not at all if we behave as badly as certain board members standing gesticulating at the fans below. They may have no dignity but we should keep ours.


:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Surely not even Bob believed that one?


I strongly dispute that and would be prepared to engage in a public swear-off with Bob to prove it.

I respect that people deserve a chance to put their side, and nothing is black and white in life.

However, having gone through this several times (and probably having begun with a much more pro than negative stance) I can categorically state, in public, that I have absolutely no time for Bob Holt or Mike Diamandis.  Significantly, the latter is the only real one that matters as he effectively has complete control of the club.  Holt has shown from previous meetings his true colours to me, that he simply cannot resist his efforts to belittle and deal in gambits rather than really telling it as it is.  TBH, I didn't realise until recently that he was an ex Maxwell employee, but his style has always struck me as school bully.

Starnes on the other hand has always struck me as the only guy in the boardroom with any football knowledge, just not quite up to the job of being a football clubs Chief Exec.

Lambert is not on the board, however has always been good to deal with.

Bowden - willing to give him the time to show his worth, but he quickly managed to show it was little.  His public posturing is frankly embarassing given his role at the club.

So, what does all that prove - having met them all several times, the sooner they are relieved of control the better, but ultimately it's only Diamandis who needs to be removed - completely, with no residue.  The rest can do what they like, prove themselves as being up to the job to a new owner if necessary.  As many times as you can meet people like Starnes, you simply are dealing with an employee who can easily be overuled by the "boss".

Strangely, it's only since getting involved and speaking to them that my position has become so negative.  So many flase dawns in that time.

Great effort James, predictably met with heels dug in scorn.  Two factions: one conference consequence. History repeating itself, if we don't learn the lessons from what really happened at the Pox, we'll soon join them - and deserve it.  

Maybe we could have saved ourselves all the trouble and created one uber miserable excuse of a football club in 1984.



There's an idea: what is there to lose? And it might even be more productive than hide and fucking seek.

I wouldn't believe anything the board have to say, the fact of the matter is that they are deliberately making it as difficult as possible for the consortium to takeover the club.

After all the lies i don't know how anyone can listen to what they have to say, they will try and sweet talk people but that would not work with me.

 
Sonic - I've got other observations on TUMDFC but the above quote is complete and utter cock.  I'm not shooting the messenger and good work for getting this info but for Holt to say he wa doing anything other than abusing the fans is rancid shite and he knows it.  As a veteran of Bob Maxwell's newspaper days I'm sure Bob can more that handle the abuse - I hope so - fuck off you two faced ignorant moron and the next time you want to diss fans get your beak-face down to ground level and have it out with us face to face.   :fu: Bowden may look like Stelios but at least he's got the balls to face up to us.

I agree with redbullzeye, Holt gestured and meant it no doubt about it, he can deny it all he looks but we know what he did, he's too coward to come down, he has to hide upstairs, Holt just loves putting us fans down.

What proof do you have that they're lying? I constantly see you banging on about lies and deceit but not once have you justified your statements! Even earlier when you accused Bowden of being a liar, you just kept repeating the word "lies" as though it's some sort of magical chant that'll come true the more you repeat it.



This is the sort of narrow minded attitude that annoys me. Why not listen to what they've got to say? What on earth have you got to lose? Well, other than a bit of time.

Ignorance is bliss. Mind you, the problem with having an open mind is the amount of shit people insist on filling it with.

Your entitled to your opinion James and i'm entitled to mine!

The proof that Bowden is a liar is that at that Broad Street Council Meeting he said the redevelopment plans were in his head and that Rod Bluh has only seen sketches, this is different to what he said about Mr Bluh awhile back wasnt it? and then Bowden has the cheek to deny he said those things in that meeting? there's your proof!

After years of lies, not many people would give that board the time of day, i would not waste my time meeting any of those board members, i have more important things in my life like looking after other people as i am a carer, i dont have the time to waste on those kind of people.

For starters you could try:
There is no rift
Bill Power left the club because of ill health
We've paid the CVA
The unnamed individual Dennis Wise fell out with was Bob Holt
We've shown the council our ground redevelopment plans and they love 'em
We have severed all ties with Dunwoody (one for the veterans, there)

I'm sure others can add their own personal favourites as well

Totall agree with PaulD, there's plenty of proof and also the thing about the redevleopment that i mentioned, you sound as if you are on the other side James!!

Bil Power didnt walk out of the club, he was literally forced out because he could not get on with Diamandis, does anyone really believe that Power left due to ill health? as thats complete bollocks, the board have dug themselves a hole, i would never consider meeting them, the most important thing is getting them out of the club asap.

Sonic - the problem most people have is that we have been over the same old ground countless times before.  I can't be involved as much as some people so I've taken their word for it but I stand by your right to have an open mind until you are persuaded one way ot the other.  FWIW all the people who have taken your approach have eventually concluded that the current incumbants are in it for the dosh and are not fit to run a company.  I'll side with them but I will take anything you have to say seriously.

Sonic, I have no issue with people retaining open minds, it means they take information in and stay interested.  Unfortunately for me, I reached a point after face to face meetings that now leads to a "fuck this, they just have to go" attitude now.

Bowden has lied at least once, and at the very least mislead a few times (or fucked up):

 - at the fans forum he categorically stated that he and Bluh were going to make a public statement about his CG development ideas as soon as Bluh had recovered from flu - 4 weeks ago and nothing done - lie

 - 38 acre site (which it wasn't and he owned up at the forum) - but still a worry given he's the man responsible for the plans that were allegedly at an advanced stage

 - Chippenham - backtracked at the forum and declared it was a personal opinion - if it was then why even announce it while fronting the floor at a public meeting.


ps, I don't believe they necessarily want bad for STFC, just that other people have vested interests to ensure certain things such as a profitable development or inflated sale price happen.  That makes people do odd things at times, having witnessed the strange things a company can do while it prepares itself for the big pay off first hand.

the one about shakin, sticks and money.....

Holt gave a public invitation for people to talk with him after the next game, so you can't accuse him of avoiding talking to people. As I said, after seeing how the last attempt at debate with Bowden disentegrated into a slanging match I think it's a reasonable point. I didn't believe his comment about his gestures either, hence the tongue-in-cheek tone.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, it'd just be nice if you listened to more than half the story before making your mind up. I did it and guess what? My opinion's the same, more or less.

So why is Bowden lying but Bluh isn't? That's what I'm trying to say. It's fucking pointless hurling accusations of lying about because nobody's going to be able to prove it unless they're desperate to do so.

Power's health was an issue although not the only one

This just seems to me to be a sign of bunker mentality.....these people know they've lost the battle for hearts and minds, and are effectively finished.

    If they had any interest in trying to recover ground, it could be conceivably done by getting the Trust to organise for an elected fan Board member.....why don't they go for it?

I am 110% behind the consortium and nothing would change that, no matter how much rubbish the board threw at me, the consortium is the only way forward, they would not act like the current board has done and we would be much better off, that is my opinion, the board has told many lies as stated by Paul Davis above so the damage was done along time ago.

I do love that one, as they didn't even do a decent attempt at hiding it leaving the DGI logo all over the club shop name plaques...........noticed also this season Dunwoody appearing as 'Official Partners' in the programme. When was that officially announced then?

Totally spot on.

Unlike Razzledazzle, you justify your statements with reason and logic instead of rhetoric and repetitiveness.

I've probably overreacted but people who are blinkered are a pet hate of mine, so I'll shut up about it. I accept that a lot of people have heard everything the board have to say before; now that I have, I feel pretty comfortable with where I sit (nice cushion). My only wish was that more people would at least listen.

As for accusing me for being on the other side, get fucking real! This isn't about fucking sides.

I think it's too late for the board to try and recover ground, like i just said the damage was done along time ago, their lies have turned most people against them and not many people could ever back them now, they would never allow a fans rep on the board, they don't even produce the accounts.

My statements are justified for the reasons Paul stated above and more.

You only have to look at all the things they have done over the last few years, also my statements today calling Bowden a liar are justified by the notes by michael from the broad street community meeting.

The biggest problem the Board now have is Kassam could probably step up and offer to buy the club and fans would take it (ok, I'm stretching it a bit to show the point).

Point is, they've lost a large chunk, not just waverers but down and out hatred in many cases.  Not retreivable, ever.  It really doesn't matter what the facts are to some extent anymore (although they largely prove the point), it's too late.  But for SSW they'd have been removed a long time ago.

The only issue for me is how the changeover is conducted and how quickly.  The clubs bests interests would be for everyone to sit in a room until it's done, problem is I think they want to hang on for some reason despite what I've said above.  It'll only end in tears if that is the case for much longer (concrete offers in blood or not)

Shame we could do with another Scouser on the forum

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Also i am not blinkered we have listened to what the board have had to say for years now, i was not against this board until i realised last year that it was time for change and the current board cannot continue to stay in charge of this football club, we all have our reasons, i am entitled to my opinion and i believe my opinion to be right.

Bowden said in December they had plans at an "advanced stage" they'd reveal in January. He then said in the programme notes for the Hartlepool programme they'd shown plans to the council. Then last week he told the residents group there was nothing on paper it was all in his head. So what did he show the council then? And what does Rod Bluh have to gain by lying about not being shown plans? It puts him in an extremely awkward position in fact to admit this even in a low-key way (ie in a private email to a voter) as it means he is effectively contradicting Bowden. But you don't need to take a judgement call on what Rod Bluh said - just look at what Bowden's said standalone - even his own statements simply don't add up.

To be honest James you always seem to have digs at me and my posts and are the only person who really seems to do so and rightly so i will stick up for myself and what i believe in no matter what.

<disclaimer>I didn't say anyone was lying - I merely pointed out some discrepancies with the truth</disclaimer> :D

The problem is rob until there are big numbers protesting they will keep ignoring this.we dont have enough games this season to make them realise how many people are pissed off with them..I know its not likely but all it takes is for this board to support sturrock in the summer bring a few players in and the fence sitters will be back on the boards side..

And you're right.

I ought to stop going about this in a roundabout way but I can't juse see things as totally black & white, i.e. one man is wrong, the other is right.

Bowden does live in fantasy land. Sometimes I wish I could join him, it sounds wonderful. The man has been economical with the truth, he's misled fans and he's outright lied.

This doesn't automatically mean that every word any board member says is a lie.

I'm only going to end up repeating myself now, I'm knackered so I've stopped making much sense.

P.S. I probably tend to jump on your posts Razzledazzle because I think you're a bit of a cunt and I don't like you. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

Don't worry Razzle, Sonic is going to stab me and he says he likes me......thanks sonic  :D

I think you should be prepared to meet Razzledazzle, sit down and talk to him for hours and hear his side of things before jumping to conclusions like that  :D

Well i feel the same about you James if i'm being honest, thats my opinion.

Go shoot some peasants.

The trouble with life in 2007 is we are wary of saying it like it is.  The fact is anyone who is in a position of authority simply plays fast and loose with the truth to suit whatever ends they wish to serve.  They can say it's for interests of national security, or say they are being "economic" with the facts - in old fashioned speak they are lying - allegedly of course.  You can say that but we could'nt possibly comment. I feel a Smiths song coming on......

I was the classic fence sitter in the summer before Power left. I thought I would wait for information to slowly creep out and when it did I found myself losing support for the Board. I joined the Trust, who beat the Club hands down in terms of transparency – I guess you’d expect that when something is run for the very people who allow it to exist.

Which is why this might seem like I’m trying to shoot James down etc., but this is just my take on things:

For a start they (Lambert esp.) know you go on internet forums and are likely to tell people what happened. Don’t think for one second they would spend 4 hours with someone ordinarily.

Onto some particular points you bulleted:


I think that’s a fair enough point in all honesty. The same would apply to the current situation at STFC, where it took an age for Diamandis to finally speak out about his role within the club. Transparency of this kind can only be a good thing from a fan’s perspective, as they are able to form views on facts.


I was under the impression he wasn’t too happy with someone’s apparent control over the club (am I wrong?).


Considering that the Club seem unsure as to the percentage amount of shares Bill Power and Phil Emmel own between them, I would disagree. Also, see the bit below about Bill not wanting to buy but the Consortium.


For that very reason. Do you know why companies have to submit accounts on a yearly basis? It’s because a lot happens in a year. Also tax is charged yearly. Moreover, a company can be a going concern one year (able to trade into the next year) to not being a going concern.

I would also say that considering Mike Diamandis has made many claims about the conversions of loans and improving the balance sheet position, what’s to say this hasn’t been done within that year? Any restructuring of the business and its finances can have a major impact.


Bill doesn’t want to buy the Club. The Consortium does. Big difference. Mike Wilks sought the investors, he fronted the potential Consortium when the idea was born and I don’t see why this should change now.


As James says, Mike Diamandis is a figure that is causing problems at Swindon. Clearly Wise was not happy with him for one. But let’s not forget that the Directors act for the company - that is their job, their duty and they are bound to do so. They do not need excuses made for them.

I’ve taken the view that this is no more than a publicity stunt, is an absolute joke to be honest and I think you’ve been taken in quite easily. If three members of the Swindon management team think cuddling up to one person who phoned into a radio show (and fair play for doing so and also keeping an open mind, kudos for that) is going to change years of being kept in the dark and especially more recently, treating fans as if they don’t matter then I think they are being very naïve.

I think you deserve praise for listening to Holt, Starnes and Lambert, Sonic. I don't mean to patronise you, but you strike me as an inteligent bloke with an open mind. Listening to reps of the club in person is better than believing what is said on the web or in the papers as you can make your own mind up and you can also factor in body language and eye-contact etc.

Interesting that they granted you 4 hours of their time. Well done for listening that long and for putting your thoughts up on the board for us, but 4 fucking hours? It sounds like they were trying to do a headfuck job on you. That's Waco-esque brainwashing territory my man!

fwiw I dont trust the cunts. I know it's all been said already, but they lie when it suits them.

I accept that all fans have the right to listen to them and make their own mind up though. I respect Sonic for doing that today.

If the cunts at the club showed half the respect and dignity that Sonic has demonstrated by listening to them for 4 hours today, we wouldn't be in the position we are all in now.

'One Bill Power'

...and that's the beauty of the Fan's Consortium, our views and opinions will not only be recognised, considered and engaged but we will effectively have a say in the control of the club.

If the board had done more in terms of engaging fans in years gone by, things wouldn't have got to a stage now where the distrust is so large that the damage is irreversible.

As a side note, I thought I mentioned this in my original post but I requested to meet with Bob as I prefer talking to people in person rather than over the phone. Unlike Bowden, he immediately sorted it and they made no effort to persuade me to come along to be brainwashed. I was a willing volunteer  :D

I wasn't expecting to have half the clubs' employees there though.

A couple of points:

- Well done Sonic for following the courage of your convictions and seeking the audience. Impressed you had the balls to go listen for yourself in order to make up your own mind.

- If I was selling my car to someone then I wouldn't expect the buyer to try to bully me. If they did I would tell them where to go.  On the other hand if I was selling then I would market the car properly and answer potential buyers questions - 'carefully'. So, if the Board want to sell and the Consortium want to buy then for Christ sake sort it out!

- If the Board had given you 4 minutes then there would have been all sorts of slagging off. The fact that they gave you four hours seems to be raising the same sort of slagging off. Can't win really can you?

- Truth depends upon your perspective or your point of view. In this matter I don't know where the truth lies!

NMH

Subtle.


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Overall I have to say it was an interesting piece to read but it hasn't changed my opinion one jot.  I still completely back the fan's consortium.  Basically all you sat through was four hours of spin something politicians do all the time.

The only thing that they said which I did agree with was the getting personal and name calling etc from protesters.  The frustration of the situation is getting to everyone and this behaviour is inevitable at times but we have to try and remain as peaceful and calm as possible during protests. Of course easier said than done.

One point of note.  Surely they knew who you were Sonic as you have previously worked the scoreboard at the club. Perhaps that was why they gave you the time they did?

A suggestion though, maybe Paul you could help on this one, to get a balanced view on this I think Sonic should now be invited to sit in for a similar time with the members of the Fans Consortium.  Bill Power,Phil Emmel, Mike Wilkes et al could chat with Sonic and discuss things he can make a balanced opinion having met all the players in this political saga.

Come to think of it you have to ask why the useless gits down at the Evening Advertiser havent already done all this? ie listing exactly what the two sides stand for and asking them the same questions and then collating it all in one article. That would sell some papers!

i would like to offer a chance for the board to meet me after the shrewsbury game where i will officially call them a bunch of chancers and cunts.

fuckin hell i dont post on here for a few weeks and everyone starts acting like nottinghamshire miners.

get a grip

~bob holt~There is no coal.

My thoughts exactly.

James raised some very valid questions in his first post, answered in my opinion very truthfully by those who responded.

100% fair play to him for settling his queries with a realistic approach in person.

Personally, I wouldn't like to be with Starnes and Holt for four minutes let alone four bloody hours !!!

The man deserves a medal !!

I think the lay about should have been working instead  :wink:

Disagree with that. It should be an open forum for anyone to attend if something along those lines was ever set up. Apart from Bill Power, the other members of the fans consortium have been present at the same meeting before and people were able to ask questions etc.

I'm with Si Pie - if we do something like that (and it could be tough to schedule, I have to confess), it would have to be open to all. If nothing else, I don't think Sonic should have to endure another four-hour ordeal :D

yes thats a fair and valid point - open to all sounds good - but I have to say it would be a fantastic idea - I for one would love to meet the men Im backing to take over

you after a shag fatters

You offering mex?  :shock:

No thanks!

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

 

 :goodpost:   I've missed  Mex's acerbic view of the world.

   Don't get me started on Nottinghamshire miners....had the full protection of  the Notts Constabulary boot boys, who some may recall got their revenge in first on many a Town fan head at  Mansfield in 86.