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If Sturrock doesn't follow this through then he's a cunt, frankly.

He's gone back on a few statements like this recently so give the bunch of wankers the jolt they need.

Didn't he go on to qualify it by saying a full first team presence at the Memorial?  Doesn't neccessarily mean he's going for the same starting eleven.

I think he just wants to work out who's up for the fight.

He won't play Peacock, he is dealing with a back injury.  Playing Smith in goal would be a bit pointless.  The back four to play on Saturday would make sense to get used to each other,.... probably so far:

                    Stewart

Smith, Vincent, Westwood, Nicholas


Zaboob was suspended, so he doesn't get the blame.  Newbusy probably needs a game to  get used to his team mates.  Lucas and Sturrock junior are probably off the hook.  He'll want them fresh for Saturday.  Timlin would probably get pissed off and call Fulham if he had to play a reserve game against Bristol who?.  The prime suspects for the chop would be Brown, Shakes and Roberts.  Pook is an honest player, so he won't have to play.

Let's go with the following, assuming Weston needs a game.  Those that are not hung over and playing with a bit of effort will be substituted at half time.  It might be fun, the players, except for the back four, who are playing well will be the ones substituted.


                    Stewart

Smith, Vincent, Westwood, Nicholas

Shakes, Newbusy, Weston, Brown

     Roberts, Yoof Teamer

All in all....we sound we're in a bit of a mess !!!

Who the fucks Newbusy?

Noubissie.

Couldn't remember how to spell his name.

I bet PS makes Roberts play 90 mins.

Of course  :soapy tit wank:

Sorry, that was meant to be a response to TFUN

Sturrock inherited a wiining team doing well. the board didn't need to back him as the team were heading for automatic promotion. now after a run of bad results things dont look good. interesting to hear that he,s going to make the players run like dogs in training this week and put the lot of them in the reserves. funny thing is it sounds like wises training mentality has been relaxed by sturrock and the rotton lazy cunt attitude of some of the palyers is comming through.

figgis - spot on.

Wise had them doing fitness fitness fitness, it paid off.  Interesting to know if they are still doing so much fitness under sturrock

With the weather and the notoriety of the Memorial Ground's pitch (if that's where the game is to be played) my guess is that the game will be off anyway!!  If it does take place how many of Saturday's team will report with injuries on Monday morning?  Fine words, no action! :old:

Nows the time for the board to back sturrock we need players in to tell some of the dead wood that their first team place isn't guaranteed. injuries and competition for places has cost us lately and now iffil will be suspended. can't help looking at hartlepool and thinking that should be us. whats their excuse about the bad weather and training it seems to have improved them.

I'd wager that they're not doing as much fitness work, Sturrock's an "old school" style manager and I can't see him embracing training techniques that Wise implemented.

There's no doubt in my mind that we've gone backwards under Sturrock which is absolutely absurd.

But maybe inevitable?

I reckon there won't be many managers in the country who work their players as hard as Wise? It's looking all the more short-sighted to let him leave.

what figgis said....

Sheffield Wednesday fans seems to think Sturrock worked their players amazing hard and we should all watch a training session to see how hard they work. Regardless, doesnt seem as hard as Wise was working them.

wise scared the players sturrock doesnt in my opinion.

The players wanted to play for wise, they dont for sturrock

Maybe its an age thing, maybe its wise was a legend

i can say 3 weeks ago an oportunity to kick on and go and win this league opened up and at the moment we are blowing it. maybe its not fair to put that preasure on the players but  if we fail to go up this season will be a disaster . the failure to back sturrock and failure to gain promotion will be a bitter blow to the board and i would put the blame at their feet. they've cost us a manager this season and looks like promotion is a doubt now.

fucking hell lads dennis wise wasn't that good.

he really wasn't.

Sturrock has had to let players go (probably a result of pressure from the board in order to reduce spending) and the core of the side has been injured for ages.

i dont care how many times i hear someone (DV85) smugly say "shouldve kept monkhouse" i disagree and backed sturrock when he sold him. he was injury prone, slow and not as good as zabooub. better than brown but, i and probably sturrock though he could have the funds for someone new.

i'm as unhappy as the next man but this reaction is utterly laughable, we're league 2 for crying out loud when have we been this amazing side that people have etched into their memory?
wise's honeymoon period consisted of a lucky lucky win up in pool, that last minute screamer vs barnet, when we were shit and a scrappy 1-0 win at home to rochdale.
granted, we had some quality results, Franchise at home, chester and darlo away but definetely no better than playing the league leaders off the park or going to MK and getting a win.

 i sincerely think all this shight about the players being superfit beings under wise is a myth, we played really well only a couple of times.

 stockport havent conceded for 9 games and we went with our captain and first choice goalkeeper out injured not to mention evans who was banging them in under wise.

we were beaten at home by peterborough, drew with boston and accrington stanley with wise, he wasn't a miracle worker and we havent gone backwards.

Summed it up nicely Stroood.

i agree whole-heartedly with every single word of that. well said chap.

keep the faith.

Losing 3-0 away at Stockport is going backwards however you look at it.

Brezovan's been out so long you can hardly consider him our number one, Smith has done a fantastic job at any rate. Evans has barely played under Sturrock - you can't miss what you haven't got - but the loss of Ady is a massive blow.

I don't think we were neccesarily hugely better under Wise but we certainly looked more organised and disciplined. Roberts, Shakes, Pook et al were all playing far better than they are now.

We've not been amazing at any point this season - Walsall aside maybe - but we're still better than the shite we've shown lately.

Isn't this all very simple.  This is all about Ady, and no future for some at the club.  Westwood was probably the signing that didn't happen the week before because of injury in training.  Rather than sticking to the back four of the previous week, Westwood was seen as Ady's replacement and presumably the thought process was that he should play as soon as possible.  That was the first mistake, the same back four as last week with Vincent keeping Ifil out of trouble should have played.  Sturrock has acknowledged this.  A no-brainer with 20/20 hindsight.  

Noubissie was seen as Evans' replacement, Timlin is not playing his natural role as holding.  Assuming Noubisie could cover the back four, logically there is no place for Weston if Timlin plays.  Apparently, that didn't work either.

Given Sturrock's rant he expects the players to sweat blood even though most of the first team won't be earning a new contract.  This is a bit like last season, we got to sixteenth and then Iffy started talking about contracts, and that was that.  

Looking at players who will move on, who would bet against Nicho, Roberts, Shakes and Brown.  Possibly, from Sturrock's perspective, these are players who stunk up Div 1 in a relegation team.  What Sturrock is sruggling with is that they aren't putting the effort in.  An alternative argument could be is that after last season, they simply don't know how to win.  What team confidence there was evaporated apparently when Ady wasn't around.  He should have been at Stockport, even though his career is most likely over.  

A former Evertom manager said that getting the team to run around the field was half the battle.  I think that lack of confidence and lack of any future at the club, irrespective of the chance of being in a promoted team, is showing.  Quite frankly Luggy is right maybe for the wrong reasons, find out who's prepared to put the effort in, whether or not it is down to lack of confidence or lack of any other motivation, and then make up the eleven with youth teamers.  The youth teamers will at least put the effort in. Finally, if there is no room for Weston in central midfield, put him on the left or right, at leat he has skill, and he knows he has a future.

in past promotion teams i nearly always had the feeling we had a good chance of winning most games.this season i,ve spent most of the last 10 mins on the edge of my seat barely able to look hopeing we don,t f  k it up.hartlepool away two missed pens, barnet at home last min winner, wrexham away great first half bollox secound, Franchise home needing 2 pens to win ,wycombe away injury time balls up, boston home vincent backing off and their player scoring in the last minute  all under wise.
torquay away ,stole the points morcombe fac stole the tie,mansfield away didn,t turn up,Franchise away cringing every time one of their players got into the box-great win though barnet away we didn,t turn up ,darlington at home where we should have been out of sight 1 point,and yesterday all over after16 mins.
with our first choice team we are probably in the top 3 teams in this mediocre division ,with a confident team with a few injurys we should just be good enough to overcome most of the teams but whoever is the manager a side low on confidence with players out of position not being able to score when we are on top ,fans getting frustrated having a go we are heading for top spot in the stress table.
we need a little bit of luck or a good sammy parkin , the fixture,swe have left looked good 4 weeks ago but with the team low on cofidence i think we,ve got 2 more months of edge of the seat last ten minutes. :cry:

Let's be honest half the problem is having a lack of a goal scorer that you are confident that is he get's a chance he will at least get a shot on goal and 7 out of 10 times score a goal.

We do not have that, most of the other teams around us have that ability.

I would be surprised if most of Sat's team do not play the reserves as no one can really be singled out as playing well, the only one I would suggest do not play in the reserves is Ifil (as he's gonna be suspended anyway), the others should be made to play no excuses and there should be the same subs bench as well apart from Nicho who I'm sure will start.

We need to see these players care about getting promotion, maybe it is as Sturrock has said before a lot of these players do not live locally so they do not know what it means to supporters and the community to risk losing out of promotion.

It is about time I think that Sturrock stopped looking for a striker that can play at a higher level and perhaps took a risk on a young striker that is banging them in for a premier reserve side and is hungry for first team football. (assuming he will drop to this level)

I happen to know somebody who has close ties with Filton college in Bristol, who have apparently worked quite closely with Town this season.

Supposedly, (and this is just what I was told) Sturrock was shocked at how un-fit the players were when he inherited the squad.

So the theory of Wise making them all little Mr. Motivators may well have been misplaced.

Or it may just be speculation built on a few too many "apparently"s and "supposedly"s. Sorry, but when Wise was in charge, the same players we finished last season with certainly looked fitter than they had at any point during last season. That said, I don't see that they look less fit now - it's not fitness that's the problem, it's not having a goalscorer and a lack of options to change things/drop people because we have a paper-thin squad. We didn't play samba football under Wise by any means, and rode our luck far too often - if he was still here, with the same players and also having not been able to bring anyone in in January, he'd be having the same problems.

Just shows you how things change in this League though, Stockport were aboslute dogshite when they came to the CG earlier in the season

We go beat by a record-breaking side - its not a backward step or the end of the world ffs

Fair play to them - wish we had signed Elding though...

Ill stick my neck on the line here

I believe Wise is a better manager than Sturrock

To prove it - I reckon Leeds will stay up and we will stay down

I hope im wrong! :emo:

oh fuck off fatbury.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

imagine that this game might be called off due to wet weather .. shame id have quite liked to have seen it ..

Paul tells me tho that they might play it up the training ground instead behind closed doors .. but thats pretty wet too ..

Incidentally they dont give a shit when they play for the first team why should they do any different in the reserves? All this will do is wear them out and increase the risk of injury. Sturrock has to look at the decisions HE has made regarding cutting the squad .. the poor signings he has made or NOT made .. the change of tactics to a winning footballing side to a long ball team with players that cant play that game .. and last but not least the threat of decreasing bonus payments - overally the players cant be very happy with the man in charge

I don't think Sturrock plays the 'long ball' game.

The side weren't winning when he took charge.

The only player he got rid of who would have been useful to us is Monkhouse, the rest of them were either reserve players who were never gonna get a first team place, or people that Wise brought in who weren't up to the job.

And if you think it's Sturrocks decision to reduce the bonus's.......................

As for 'wearing them out', for fuck sake! They won't play the whole game and even if they did, 90 extra minutes of football won't kill the lazy bastards, will it?

I beg to differ .. it is a DIRECT style compared to how we started the season. It certainly isnt pretty to watch.

I disagree with the 2nd statement - CCP is a decent player as was Monky - Brownlie was better than Sturrock .. need I go on - you get the gist

and Sturrock backs the decision to reduce the bonuses and did so in public

I still think we could pick up YET more injuries if we play too much

I'll briefly pick apart every point you've made their fatbury, you are clearly talking bollocks again

- At no point this season under either manager have we played "good" football. Sturrock preferes the team to play wide, Wise liked it narrow - thats the most fundamental difference.

- CCP was average in L2 at best.  Other than for sheer numbers I see no reason to keep him. Where did he go? Rochdale. Are they any good? No.

- Sturrock jnr has a better goals to game ration than Brownlie and to me looks quicker and cleverer. Neither are great, but I'd have Sturrock jnr out of the 2.

- The best perfomance I've seen this season came under Sturrock away at Wallsall. His tactics (4-5-1 worked perfectly) won that game.

As for the bonuses, total red herring. The players have the contract that states the "high" bonus will be paid this season if they go up.  Given that 3/4 of the squad dont have a contract with STFC for next season, why would they care about having the bonus scheme reduced NEXT SEASON, when there is every chance they wont be here?

bollocks if wise was as good as suggested leeds would have been out of trouble by now. hes been there pretty much most of the season and has not made much difference. i think they are in turmoil and will go down. we i think will be in the play offs at least.

i blame Ralphy

I dispute CCP being crap for L2 .. he was a decent player for us in L1

Still prefer Brownlie over Sturrock's son


But fair points ... I could be wrong

hooray for common sense.good post

i'd like to add,we had loads of luck early in the season too imo.we won games really we didn't deserve to.
our players were at peak fitness early in thye season but they are still limited in the talent department.thats why other teams have caught up and overtaken in some cases.

reserve game off following pitch inspection. I was going as well, bugger!

Looks like I was right .. for once! :mrgreen:

Convenient

I hope Sturrock manages to re-arrange a freindly game for one day this week to make them all play

I think he knew that the game was likely to be off when he said it ...

Damn Sturrock and his gambling on the weather. Maybe he controls it?

Oh well, saves our bunch of wasters making up injuries to skip the game.

Oh fuck off how did he know that?

A defeat at Bristol Rovers against half their youth team might not have been a good thing.

Swindon played after all according to the website .. against each other!! :shock:  .. Good news we won 1-0 with Brown getting the penalty - see I can be positive! :wink:

Id rather have an average L2 centre back than not!

CCP would have been good enough to fill in for Williams, as good as Williams no....but better than Vincent (who obviously isnt a centre back!) and Westwood (who is a worse than average L2 player)

Sturrock obviously didnt know Williams would miss the rest of the season and Ifil would get himself sent off but....the lack of denfensive cover without CCP is seriously lacking and he is exactly what we need right now!!

onto Brownlie, his game is different to Sturrock Jrs....but Brownlie looked a better finisher early season than Roberts! I reckon Brownlie and Sturrock as a partnership wouldnt do to bad!

You can't judge Westwood on one shit performance, being out for 6 weeks and only being at the club 24hrs.  You may have a point but we'll have to see.

Chester fans seem to rate him but conceed he is too injury prone.

Indeed. Westwoods career history would indicate he is a much more accomplished player than CCP - hes played virtually his whole career at a higher level than L2, if he can show that then it will look a cracking bit of business, if not Sturrock looks a cock.

It is on these sort of decisions that a manager is judged.

I never said dem tings chris!

i'm going to stick my neck out here and say that the facts that 1) only rochdale wanted to sign him, and 2) that he's yet to play for them, suggest to me that charlie comyn platt is not the answer.