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Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 16:49:44
At half time and full time, if they've been total garbage, yes.

But during the game?

Just wondered how others felt.

It's gone poll mad on here today!


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 16:54:19
I don't think it is - especially when considering the Aaron Brown isn't the sort of player to react positively to such events (we'd have probably guessed that pre-Barnet)

People pay to go to the games - It should be up to them whether they boo or not.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 16:54:38
I can never understand why fans berating players is BAD but the manager berating players is GOOD.

We can't show our dissatisfaction but the manager can shout and scream at them? If the manager's comments don't have a negative effect I don't see how fans' would either.

People do tend to boo players/the team too easily, it should only ever be done in extreme circumstances - i.e. horrendous home/away loss, despicable behaviour by a player, extremely bad performance etc.

Oh and I'm not voting because there's no middle ground for me to build a fence on.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: blinkpip on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 16:57:51
I never boo, I just don't clap if I feel they didn't put enough effort in.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Scot Munroe on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:00:32
Quote from: "blinkpip"
I never boo, I just don't clap if I feel they didn't put enough effort in.


That is what my dad does.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:02:59
Quote from: "sonic youth"
I can never understand why fans berating players is BAD but the manager berating players is GOOD.

We can't show our dissatisfaction but the manager can shout and scream at them? If the manager's comments don't have a negative effect I don't see how fans' would either.

People do tend to boo players/the team too easily, it should only ever be done in extreme circumstances - i.e. horrendous home/away loss, despicable behaviour by a player, extremely bad performance etc.

Oh and I'm not voting because there's no middle ground for me to build a fence on.


To be fair Sonic, the manager is shouting instructions and being constructive.

Booing a player, or shouting insults during the game towards them is hardly the same thing.

I've booed at half and full time before, but when they're playing I just don't think it does anything positive and could adversely affect what is already a poor performance.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:12:06
Useful?  ........    No

Necessary?    ...........    Sometimes

Did it make me feel slightly better?    ...........   Yep


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:18:40
I was talking about the classic half-time team talk - "the hairdryer treatment". I don't see how that's vastly different to out-and-out booing a player.

Yet fans seem to be happy for the manager to give a player the hairdryer treatment but not for fans to do similar.

It depends entirely on the personality of a player though, a lot of players don't react as well as others who thrive on being disliked and boo'ed - Diouf is probably the best example. Unfortunately it's impossible for fans to know a player's personality inside out, so you don't really know how they'll react.

I'd like to believe that in general footballers would respond to the sort of criticism Brown received in a positive way but I don't think they have the intelligence to do that.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:20:19
The hairdryer treatment is, as you said, done at halftime.

Not when the players are on the pitch.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:20:57
Why does the time and place matter?


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:22:28
Cos there's a difference between when they're playing and when they're not?


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:22:33
I can honestly say I've never booed a player in the red shirt, nor would I, scream and shout a bit in frustration at times.....but as Blinkers says if its crap I just slope off mute at the end rather than applauding.

   In a similar vein I've always thought it better for your prospects to show a bit of appreciation to visiting old players....less likely to stir them up.

 Monkhouse suggested he was a bit put out to be getting stick....(understanably seeing as he was shipped out and not been on a losing side for us).....would singing his name have made him less likely to score?


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:24:22
Quote from: "herthab"
Cos there's a difference between when they're playing and when they're not?


I still don't see why that makes a difference if it's at half-time. Obviously booing them at 90 minutes won't have a derogatory affect on their performance but what's the difference between booing at half-time at any other point during the game?


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:27:36
Booing a player during the game may get to them and affect them.

If you boo at half time to show your displeasure, they're not actually in play and therefore it can't affect their performance.

Or something like that.........................


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:29:03
Well I see your point...but I think you're wrong  :D


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:30:16
You're right.

I surrender :D


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 17:45:56
it could be useful as it may make the players buck up there game but it could also have a negative effect.
no wrong or right answer really.
people pay their money so have a right to boo, but thats different to swearing at and abusing players.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:07:43
I do not think you should boo your own players, it is not constructive - although in Mr Browns case calling your fans a w@nker is not constructive.

I for one would not boo any player.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:10:13
I voted yes because it was clearly the answer you wanted  :wink:


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:13:08
And I thought you were the one who didn't understand the question Si........


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:14:27
I'd be careful about jumping out and shouting Boo at players. You only need one with a heart condition and you've got another Marc-Vivien Foé incident on your hands.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Amir on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:37:53
Quote from: "sonic youth"
I can never understand why fans berating players is BAD but the manager berating players is GOOD.

We can't show our dissatisfaction but the manager can shout and scream at them? If the manager's comments don't have a negative effect I don't see how fans' would either.



If you single out one of your own players for booing, you're pretty much saying you think they're a cunt and/or shit.  Hopefully a manager's team-talk would have a bit more substance to it than that, and that's why it could possibly motivate.  Booing opposition player is on the other hand much more likely to get a reaction I think, because you're never going to be on their side.  I can't think of an example of a Swindon player upping his game because our lot have booed him.

In extreme cases, like you said, it is deserved and maybe needed, but only if you really want them out of the club.

As others have said though, football fans are always too easy to boo.  It always makes me laugh when ours go off to rapturous applause because of a late winner, when you just knew the boos were coming.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: strooood on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:52:35
Quote
I can't think of an example of a Swindon player upping his game because our lot have booed him


i recon you can safely say reeves and duke (to an extent) did just this.
there'll obviously be a counter argument for it but the booing, indirectly or not, did improve them.

as for brown, he's in the patrick collins mould. he's an arrogant bling merchant wanker and the quicker he's out the door the better.

whether or not booing him during the match, or even after, is helpful i very much doubt it but as a fan and paying customer i feel i have the right to tell him i hate him whenever i like. ..... where's the logic in that? there isn't an awful lot to be honest.

it's not even as if he's not good enough, like duke or reevesy at that point, i just hate the way he strolls around not really trying, never actually doing anything, but clearly thinking he's amazing that pisses me off.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Amir on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 19:57:38
Good shout with Reeves, dex.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 20:31:48
doesnt help at any time really


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 20:37:53
I can understand people boo-ing, and having paid their money they have every right to do what they like. Personally, i dont boo, even if we have been shite. I just tend to hang my head in dissapointment and sulk off. I dont fully understand how hurling abuse at players helps them either. Shouting out "pook your shit" or "fuck of shakes" is hardly going to boost their morale.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 21:27:21
Our fans are terrible for it. We boo when we draw ffs.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: jimbob on Thursday, February 22, 2007, 22:11:09
I feel that as players who get well paid to play the beautiful game, (I know, when did we last see beautiful football?) they have to take the rough with the smooth i.e. we're fickle with Roberts, when he heads off on a mazey run to win a corner we love him, and when he gets tackled and takes half hour to get up, we give him shit.

I think as fans we have a right to express our opinions, and we all do it in different ways. If someone e.g. Shakes (only an example), continues to put the ball in the stand when he gets to the bye-line then why shouldn't I shout my displeasure? If its that obvious to me, then that tells me that Sturrock should have done the necessary and taken him off by then. I am as quick to praise as I am to berate, but maybe thats down to my jekll/hyde personality?! :?

One thing is noticeable though particularly at home games, is we never give 'the Beast' any bother when he puts it into row Z because we all know what he is good at namely tackling and winning headers. We don't give him shit because we know his capabilites and his job isn't to dink a ball over the top/into the channels for our midfield/strikers to run onto.

Our strikers/creative players jobs are to either create goals or put the ball in the onion bag and when they ain't doing it, it is more noticeable and hence why it is easier to give them stick.

What was the original question?! :boring:


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Luci on Friday, February 23, 2007, 00:29:45
"The support we have brought here is remarkable and we have let every single one of them down. Of course they have a right to boo, I think I would."

Said by Christian Roberts in an article on thisis.

I think thats a fair comment, especially if the players are aware they were completely shite.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, February 23, 2007, 01:36:37
Booing at the end of the game is fine, possibly at half time but not during the game i.e every time they get the ball like you would for the return of a former player.

what really pisses me off is those dosy bastards (one twat towards the front of the town end in particular) who boo and abuse players before the games even kicked off...............i think he's a bit special tho!


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: Luci on Friday, February 23, 2007, 03:22:09
Quote from: "Ted"
Booing at the end of the game is fine, possibly at half time but not during the game i.e every time they get the ball like you would for the return of a former player.

what really pisses me off is those dosy bastards (one twat towards the front of the town end in particular) who boo and abuse players before the games even kicked off...............i think he's a bit special tho!


Anyone who does that really needs to take a look at themselves. Unfortunately, I think Brown may receive exactly that treatment if he plays Saturday as I don't think his apology has washed with most.


Title: Booing your Own.
Post by: yeo on Friday, February 23, 2007, 04:10:35
Booing is the new cheering