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Is that in his post match interview Sturrock has stated that he is seeing what the players are really like now etc.  

I know he saw each player in action at the beginning of his managerial career here however if its taken until now to see the  players attitudes, workrates and efforts,  then maybe, just maybe he made a mistake with the players hes shipped out/made surplus to requirements?

I hope this isn't the case but with our financial situation, we can't afford to make mistakes with such a small squad.

"I have learnt more in a 45 minute spell here than I have when I arrived" concerns me.

Well my view is that they all behaved when there was a thread of being moved out during the transfer window, now they're back to their old tricks.

There's a rot in that playing squad. I'm sure of it. It's got to be got rid of.

we are also seeing what Sturrock is like now .. too IN with the current board for my liking and its now affecting results ..

Well that's not proven yet ... I don't think that the results has anything to do with the board but more to do with the lifestyles of the players.

It's about time he brings someone in, every week he goes on about how he has player's lined up but he doesn't do anything.

Ok ok it was a bad result, and we need to turn things around, but now is not the time to start getting on the back on Sturrock.  All this "he's in with the board" will have a negative effect on the season and should be nipped in the bud.

I agree. This is the fault of the players, nobody else (with a slight dig at Sturrock over Monkey)

It's Sturrocks job to pick the right team and get the players up for it, he failed to do that last night so he has to take some of the blame.

Yeah ok you can say he's made a few mistakes but the bloke's continued the good start to the season, and this really is his first barren spell.  He deserves the chance to put things right before we all start criticising him I'd say.

Everyone blamed Iffy last season and forgave (most of) the players but now it's not Sturrock's fault but the players?

It's the manager's responsibility. End of.

But you can't really hand too much blame to him when he's still really living on a team built by two previous managers. He's not had enough time to build his own squad (and maybe not the financial backing) so no matter who he picks it'll be the same end result.

good point Sonique my reasoning behind that was that Iffy never should have got the job in the first place, he had no experience and was out of his depth,  I don't think anyone was stating that "with this set of players we should stay up" it was a collective thing, the whole club was a shambles last year, from top to bottom.

My point now is that this is just a bad bit of form we've run into, I don't think it's as bad as we're making out here.  Sturrock's a good enough manager to get us up, the players are good enough to gain promotion, let's just get through this bad period and get back to winning ways.

Disclaimer - I wasn't there last night and am not truly aware of how bad the performance may have been.

I'm sorry, Sonic, but I never blamed Iffy. I think he was put in a bad situation when he wasn't experienced enough but that was never his fault.

Iffy has the same trouble Wise and now Sturrock has - the rot that King left.

We're going through a bad patch that is all. Every team and manager does it. Sturrock is to blame as he makes the decisions, team choices and subs etc.. I don't give a shit if he's in with the board or not, i want the team to perform. I want passion from the players. But I sincerely think that Sturrock is the right man to get it out of the players given time.

Some of you are reading far too much in to his comments....

Sturrock simply meant that now that he is facing his first mini-slump as manager he is starting to see the real character of the players.  After all, its only when things are going against you that you can really see who has the character to drag the team out of the mess.

Yes, its his responsibility to get the tactics right, pick the right players for the job, etc but the players need to pull their weight as well.  There is only so much a manager can do from the touchline.

There's only half a dozen players left in the squad that King bought in so how is he responsible?

Spot on there IMO.

Wonder how long this mess is going to take to sort out?

A good manager will get the best out of shit players. Its about tactics, decisions, training...Wise was good at getting the players fit and up for the challenge. Iffy didn't know how to do that. He wasn't passionate enough. Sturrock will get there.

The bad thing about rot is that it spreads quite quickly.

I think he was, people just show passion in different ways. look at wenger or eriksson and their records for example

the blame has to be placed at the door of the board and the manager - one and the same in my book .. we would not have lost that match under Wise .. end of

You are such a fucking bell end Fatbury

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Foggy I love your new mean streak

Sorry birdy but i am sick and tired of reading the endless,meaningless shite that Fatbury and his lover Gazza write on here. But fear not,i still love you  :shag:

what a fucking stupid thing to say. How has Dennis been doing since leaving town?

wanker.

Wengers passionate. Well he's getting that way!!

That is why I only read your posts  :oops:

How the hell can Gazza be my lover when hes pro board and im anti board .. and you criticise me for coming out with rubbish!

Love conquers all. It's like Romeo and Juliet but with botters.

no, fatbury is right for once.

Wise is doing shit at leeds, but he's come into a club on the down. Here he had a chance to get his own players in and most importantly he had a pre-season.

Pre-seasons are vital and very important very few managers pick up a job half/part way through a season and go a good job

Dennis Wise has us much more organised and difficult to break down. We were compact and we didnt give away stupid goals every week. The players knew what they were doing. We had squad cover and options for all positions.

PLus, although not the same....when we did play Barnet with Wise in charge we DID win....

Alec, you do fuck all BUT come out with rubbish.

People aren't referring to that bit of the post though  :roll: