Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: DV on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:25:36 well....?
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:27:12 I think we were about the same. The style of football has changed but I don't think the quality has. I think we were a lot luckier earlier on in the season.
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:33:59 no change or very little imo
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: DV on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:34:11 maybe....but with Dennis Wise the players seemed to know what they were doing alot more than they do now.
Im also sure our set piece defending wasnt as bad under Wise as it is now... Most of all, Sturrock has no play B....or he has a crappy plan B which doesnt work and leaves the players clueless as to what their jobs actually are... I also think Dennis Wise had a much better squad of players and everyone was involved so we had enough depth. Only having 2 centre backs in an entire squad is just fucking stupid beyond belief. We get rid of CCP last day of the transfer window and replace him with no one (like we did all our players?) then two games later and one of our centre backs is injured. Time for CCP to come in and show us what he can do....oh..... I think we've let too many go and not replaced them at all. Plus Sturrock has told a few players (Brownlie and Whalley) they will never play again and he wont use them. Regardless of how he feels about them if they are contracted and we are paying them we might as well use them. Whalley hasnt played football properly for ages so will be rusty as hell but he CANT be worse than Pook. Its not possible. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:35:32 whalley may have a better touch and vision than pook.but the fucker cannot run or break up the play like pook does.
having said that he was piss poor yesterday Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: DV on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:39:49 breaking up the play is the job of Evans!
Which is one of the reason I dont think we are as good, he is the best midfielder at the club by a million miles. He's worth about 50 Pooks. Sadly he got injured, came back got injured, came back got injured :cry: Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:41:57 but if he aint playing he cannot do the job.
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:42:15 Quote from: "DV85" breaking up the play is the job of Evans! Which is one of the reason I dont think we are as good, he is the best midfielder at the club by a million miles. He's worth about 50 Pooks. Sadly he got injured, came back got injured, came back got injured :cry: That's just not true though is it. If it was a choice between Evans and 50 Pooks then you'd go for the Pookitude every time. You could get half of them sent off. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: DV on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:47:58 Quote from: "arriba" but if he aint playing he cannot do the job. true, but some people are playing and still not doing their job. We need a late 20's expirenced midfield in on loan to replace Paul Evans. Timlin, Pook and Weston dont have enough expirence and cant play together in the middle....I'd rather have one along an Evans type player. I think everyone would. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:49:24 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "arriba" but if he aint playing he cannot do the job. true, but some people are playing and still not doing their job. We need a late 20's expirenced midfield in on loan to replace Paul Evans. Timlin, Pook and Weston dont have enough expirence and cant play together in the middle....I'd rather have one along an Evans type player. I think everyone would. agree, and a striker,and a centre half Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: lebowski on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 13:50:08 i think we're about the same, but saying this, wise had his own team, whereas sturrock's had his hands tied when it comes to bringing in players. also factor in that evans is injured.
so the answer is no, we were not a better side under wise... Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Bushey Boy on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 14:33:32 Quote from: "DV85" maybe....but with Dennis Wise the players seemed to know what they were doing alot more than they do now. Im also sure our set piece defending wasnt as bad under Wise as it is now... Most of all, Sturrock has no play B....or he has a crappy plan B which doesnt work and leaves the players clueless as to what their jobs actually are... I also think Dennis Wise had a much better squad of players and everyone was involved so we had enough depth. Only having 2 centre backs in an entire squad is just fucking stupid beyond belief. We get rid of CCP last day of the transfer window and replace him with no one (like we did all our players?) then two games later and one of our centre backs is injured. Time for CCP to come in and show us what he can do....oh..... I think we've let too many go and not replaced them at all. Plus Sturrock has told a few players (Brownlie and Whalley) they will never play again and he wont use them. Regardless of how he feels about them if they are contracted and we are paying them we might as well use them. Whalley hasnt played football properly for ages so will be rusty as hell but he CANT be worse than Pook. Its not possible. Like most of your posts this is spot on. Maybe the players looked up to wise as he was younger and was/is a legend in football. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 14:42:20 Cant let you get away with this Whalley loving. Pook is a better player than Whalley now. Whalley has rightly been consigned to the dustbin.
Our midfield was too lightweight yesterday. Weston should play. But we need Evans back, he was a big performer for Wise. My 1 criticism of Sturrock would be for someone so picky about his strikers, the 1s he has put on the park in the last month havnt done it for us at all. But I also know he's going to sort it out. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: McLovin on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 14:49:55 I think we are about the same, but we seemed more effective at snatching the close games that we are now losing/drawing under Wise
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: DV on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 14:51:33 Whilst I know Whalley is coming to the end of his career and is well past his best, but he has spent most of his career at a much higher level than Pook will ever achieve, so he must have something about him. I dont see why he cant still do a job in the 4th division.
Maybe Whalleys brain in Pooks body....hmmm :| Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 14:59:33 Quote from: "DV85" Whilst I know Whalley is coming to the end of his career and is well past his best, but he has spent most of his career at a much higher level than Pook will ever achieve, so he must have something about him. I dont see why he cant still do a job in the 4th division. Maybe Whalleys brain in Pooks body....hmmm :| He's done nothing for us. From what I saw his best game was Yeovil away last season, but what did he actually do? Pooks best performance was Boston away just 3 weeks ago, where he was superb. Dont get me wrong, I dont think Pook has been a good player for us, but he's better than Whalley. I know what you mean about Whalleys brain. But a lot of these incisive balls go to no one, because our players arent on the same wavelength. You have to look at end product, and Whalley rarely had any. He's also got attitude problems and probably didnt want to tow the line on Sturrocks fitness regime. Just hope he leaves soon. Ive got absolutely no nostalgia for Cureton or Whalley. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 16:07:15 Same players, same performances IMHO. We are hard to break down, don't score enough goals, look good when we knock it around, look bad when we go wrong.
Sturrock has not been able to bring in his kind of player yet. Zaboub looks good on the plus side. On the down side we don't have as much variety in attack. Sturrock, Lucas and Peacock are all too similar, so when we need to change it if Roberts isn't on his game we are stuffed. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: STFC Bart on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 16:21:31 Also, whats this sturrock continually comes out with that we cant dominate for 90 minutes?
You win games by maintaining concentration and focus for 90 mins, not 60 as we did yesterday and got punished Is it any wonders we play in patches when he continually spouts this out Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 17:12:54 I genuinely and honestly don't particularly like Sturrock, I've got no doubt he'll get us promoted but he's done nothing to endear himself to me yet. All the hard work was done in pre-season by Wise and Poyet, Sturrock had the easiest job in the world when he came in.
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Fred Elliot on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 17:24:01 Quote from: "sonic youth" I genuinely and honestly don't particularly like Sturrock, I've got no doubt he'll get us promoted but he's done nothing to endear himself to me yet. All the hard work was done in pre-season by Wise and Poyet, Sturrock had the easiest job in the world when he came in. I agree Whilst I think he has the credentials to take us up, my feelings are that he is concerning himself with too many off the field iisues rather than concentrating on the team, and I think that is clearly starting to show. I agree that the start of the season was a lucky one for us, I saw a much more organised team than the one I am seeing at the moment. Oh, and if you read this Paul, would you please stop fucking whinging...........................its the same for everybody mate, and it's wearing a bit thin with me now Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Rich Pullen on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 18:29:45 I don't think there is a great deal of difference between the two to be honest.
Still inconsistant, still have lots of work to do. Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: West Country LaLaLa on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 18:52:57 First off, I don't think we were better under wise than we are now. We were pretty dire then, we still are now. Its still a crap team and league and the opposition is poor. Consistency is key and thats something that you could say we don't have.
If you look at Walsall for instance - they don't strike me to be better than the teams around them. They've lost to most of them, it's only the fact that they have consistently beaten the lower teams that they are where they are. Somthing that we seem to fail to do at times. I think sturrock makes some baffling decisions on tactics when we are chasing a game. Its like he throws the system about just so that he can put all the strikers on the pitch. This hasn't worked at all well in the last two games. We look better having a settled system - just change the personell when necessary! Don't think whalley is better than pook. Two managers have now picked pook ahead of Whalley so that tells you something. I do however think it is time for weston to replace pook in the middle for a bit Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: fatbury on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 19:20:07 Yes id say we were better at defending set pieces .. we were fitter generally and lets face it we were playing better football.
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: fatbury on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 19:20:45 oh and we had Monkhouse! talk about a lucky charm
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 19:24:54 we play much better football under Sturrock and i think we would be 7th now if Wise was still here
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: JOHNNY REEVES on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 19:33:33 i think the set piece situation was better under wise purely because we had a giant goalkeeper picking the ball off strikers heads.dont get me wrong smith has done a good job but brez is a top goalie. :beers:
Title: Were we a better side under Dennis Wise? Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, February 18, 2007, 20:39:29 I voted no as I think we are about the same
Obviously Brez was a big loss and it's hard to know what difference he would have made as Smith has also been good. I think he may have had an impact though. Evans is the obvious other major loss. And Westcoutry's point about Walsall is a load of bollocks! How can you even suggest Walsall are doing better when we could win our game in hand and go level on points? I still think there is as much chance of auto promotion as there ever was and am confident that we wil lmake the top 3. 4th place would be near heartbreak! |