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Club statement now on the official site about the Consortium bid

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~966091,00.html

and it's not even friday  :shock:

reg wont be pleased

clubs lawyers letter

point 2 we dont know who we are dealing with

point three then mentions Power by now?!

That statement is an absolute load of rubbish, they seem to contradict themselves every other paragraph.  I can't wait for next Tuesday, will they be banning Orange from the ground in seven days time then?

Nice to see that negotiations for this company that is apparently worth tens of millions of pounds are being undertaken in a confidential and professional manner!

I would be interested to see what the response is of the apologists for the board who have accused the Trust of being unprofessional by making media statements!!!

Just seems to be an attempt to muddy the already somewhat cloudly waters, they aint gonna sell in a month of Sundays, and sadly i do not really see what the consortium can do _ God I hope I am wrong!!

   :angry:

I do think it important that there should be a boycott of this meeting....trying to drag Sturrock in is a disgrace.......

Yes, yes STFC Board want us to hate the consortium - we get it!

 :evil:

Does anyone else see the irony in the club issuing this statement to complain about things being handled in public?

Yes morte detail is needed from the consotium. It's not that difficult, sit down and talk in private under an NDA. Mr Wilks says he wishes to proceed this way, the board say they wish to proceed this way. Yet obsticle after obsticle gets put in the way of it happening.

Other than that this statement really isn't very exciting. I bet it was written by an American who isn't a fan of the club.

Standard STFC tactics at the end to lodge a wedge in the fan base with the Paul Sturrock quotes. Yes he may well feel that, and?

Because hes the only one out of the lot of them that the fans have any respect for. Mediator possibly!

meh

 :boring:


Pathetic !!!

noticed that. total farce and only disrupts the team even more.

they go on about promotion etc yet drag PS into these meetings.

just fucking go now please Board. your not wanted

All in all, I read it like this:

TrustSTFC can fuck off, we'll deal directly with Power and Emmell.

I do   :nod:

This all seems so petty and unprofessional it's untrue.

:nuts:

The financial position has changed since August, I'd be VERY sure of that. How the fuck is it good enough to say Bill Power knows enough about the position is beyond me.

Removing Wills of all his liabilities seems like a substantiated offer to me.

I'm sure certain parties will thrilled their confidential letters have been publicly published

Fred, you might want to re-think that mate. I honestly believe all these stupid comments are really not helping. As is evident from the Statement, the board have had enough of the Trust and it's board.

Jesus wept, I can feel the the rumblings of the first installment of 'Statementfest '07 - The tour de farce'

No I wont Sam !

Thats fine with me Sam if they are pissed off with me !

Why do you think that is mate ?

If I really wanted to go to town, I could rip that statement to shreds....................but I wont. I wont drag myself down to that level.

What do they expect, if they lie, lie and lie again then they are going to get slagged off on these boards. It's nothing more than they deserve and up until recently they'd got away pretty lightly.  Now their lies have been highlighted they're trying to lie again and cause divides to defend themselves but all they do is dig a bigger hole

I just find the whole thing very patronising, they seem to think that they can write any old shite and cos we are thivk we will just believe them!!

As for the meeting, the alternative is for a cast of thousands to turn up, perhaps wear orange under coats and take them off once you are the room!! Say nothing be peaceful and make a point!!

I've had enough of this now. I'm not going to Macclesfield game now, I'm going to go partying for my mate's birthday in Southampton instead. I think I'll consider even not going again this season.

From the many statements the board have made it's quite clear they've had enough with snidy comments made by TrustSTFC and it's board. Perhaps it's time to play ball and do what the club want?

It's a book. Frankly.

Could you please highlight to me which part of my post is "stupid"  :evil:

God I try and make a point and can't spell the word thick, what a twat!

I am just the kind of supporter they like....

and the comments the board makes on the official site aren't snidy comments also?

You can't have your cake and eat it.......if you slag someone off on the official site you will get it back, just because they are the board of the club they shouldn't be beyond reproach

All of it. Calling them pathetic isn't clever really.

If I were buying any kind of business and started slagging them off because they wouldn't listen to my offer, then I wouldn't expect them even consider any further offers. Just my opinion though mate.

dont be gay simon!

Also what the board want is for us to lie down quietly and let them do as they please even if it involves the Chippenham move.

I for one won't let them do as they please as it's about time they became accountable for their failures and actions

FFS does nobody get it?

If Wilks & Co don't come up with the goods by next week, thats it. Finished.

All this tit for tat really isn't helping.

  I'm liking this idea....maybe a musical....Springtime for Diamandis.

   Its a disgrace that in order to avoid the ridicule of the essential Friday evening slot....these knobs go for a Tuesday night that should belong to the Youth team....thus deflecting attention away from these lads.

I'm going to vote with my wallet. The Trust can have my money instead. I'll keep a tab open for the games I don't go to and donate the money to the Trust at the end of the season.

Pastie

In two minds to be honest. I wonder if I would be taken less seriously and be dismissed as a loony trust supporting trouble maker rather than having a respected point of view.

Seems clear to me that the meeting will consist of the boards version of events (fair enough), followed by using Luggy to say how awfully disruptive the whole thing is to our promotion charge (bang out of order).

Rubbish, the lot of it.

Utterly laughable.

Love the bit where it says the Trust use internet forums to firther ther bid - well, maybe it's just that the fans are unanimously against the flaming board!

And as for statements made in public - they're statements made to fans, not particularly shockingones at that, the fans who crave transparency rather than a board that lies at every turn.

Starnes, Wills, Diamandis, holt, Carson, Gray, Bowden, one thing.....just leave. Just go. Nobody wants you and your lies any bloody more. I'd rather have Joey Beauchamp round for tea than any of you lot. Fuck off

Who's to say they haven't already and the board have just ignored it like before?

The consortium have been very quiet actually as was requested and gone about their business in private.....as the club requested, the consortium is seperate to the Trust and in the last 3 weeks all Mike Wilke's has done has given an update on Saturday

If I was in the country I'd consider doing the same.

It has gone too far now, beyond the joke and they are losing fans quicker than they seem to realise, not like they give a shit anyway.

Notice how they always put a statement out when we are away next game so that everybody has cooled down by the next Saturday :fu: The time is approaching for more direct action :evil:

I can see your point, but its a shame! End of the day we do this because we support STFC and our job is to go to games and support the team but i guess desperate times call for desperate measures!

I would agree this tit for tat isnt helping but as the seller is handling the transaction like a panini sticker sway in the play ground isnt going to help.

Sadly fact is they aint gonna sell, they co0ntinue to persuade some people that they are the best thing since sliced bread and that aint gonna change and therefore the ploy to divide supporters is working a treat.

They arent losing fans Si Pie doesnt go very often anyway.

Fucking hell Sam, that statement once again is a complece facade of innaccuracies and misleading comments.

Once again it is STFC board that is bringing this into the media, not the Consortium nor the Trust !

Read the minutes from Saturday's meeting mate !

Mike Wilks was adamant that this sort of public wrangling was not sought after, and in all honesty the Consortium has ONLY EVER issued statements in reply to derogatory comments issued by the board of STFC in the media.

Like I said, I could write chapter and verse and blow holes all through this latest statement, but I wont mate.

I know 2 people other than Mex who have sold their season tickets....

I cannot believe the sheer unprofessionalism of all this business.

It's like a messy divorce where the parents are trying to get custody of the kids - and slagging eachother off in the progress.

Or something like that -  :|

I'm bored of all this now tbh, can't we wait until the summer?

The last thing we need is a distraction from performances on the pitch.

 :D

In all honesty I've missed less home games than I can count on one hand this season.

Looks like that's going to change soon....
I'll do a flammableBen and stay in the pub

Perhaps you could have a Townend "Trustboard " user ID .It makes me laugh when they say so and so has said  stuff on a message board Id love to see them quote it."Fred Elliot called us cunts" :D

And that's the most important thing... I wonder what the staff and players truely make of all this.

I'm sorry mate, but the board have made it quite clear there'll be no deal if the Trust keep slagging them off in the press and/or on internet forums.

IMO you're putting the nails in the coffin.

The diversion tactics the board are using are working a treat!!

 Samual....if you wish to criticise the Trust Board then propose a motion at the next meeting....then you can vote Fred off...its that simple.  Unlike getting rid of those who are out to ruin our club for personal gain

Im going to poo through the letter box on the way home from work 8)

:roll: Suppose you beleived them when they said they'd pull the plug financially if  people didn't stop questioning them too.

They want it all to go away and the easiest thing to make that happen is to split the fans.

I fucking love these arguments:

Club - The Trust are unprofessional slag us off an forums and are shite - oh thats Ok then...

Trust - They are pathetic.. that is all - You unprofessional arseholes!!

Somehow we have heard it all before....

I'm not setting foot in our football club until they are gone. I'm fucking sick to death of them treating us all like pathetic morons who will believe any bullshit they have to peddle.

At the end of the day, you can tell them to fuck off and call them cunts as much as you like. It's not going to make them sell the club to the Consortium.

Thats just an excuse to stay in. 8)

Although you're probably right Sam, I think right now people just want to vent their anger. Let them  :evil:

 At the end of the day...these clowns wont be able to resist an organised fans protest....at which point they will sell the club.

Absoloutly Reg

The AGM is approaching and all Trust board members are up for election.

It is a democratic organisation, and if members really fell that I do not represent their true feelings and that someone else could undertake my position more competantly then I will gladly step aside.

simple as that

Nor will any sensible or logical actions, so what's the fucking point?

They're not going to sell the club. It couldn't be any clearer.

BTW Fred I finally got my arse in gear tonight and joined the Trust, but had to use my missuses paypal account, does this mean you will be writing everything to her rather than me?

Not if you put your name on the application mate

Good, although I haven't actually told her (well its only a quid she wont notice!) so a letter from the Trust may have caused a problem or too!

what a pile of shit! its gone on for too long now! im not happy at all. why do they need to show us them letters? the  board are a joke and if they dont want to sell up they'll lose more fans by the week and they will have to sell up as the club will be on the verge of going bust. they make it worse for themselves they really do! what is their game? are they trying to piss us off on purpose? its just pathetic!

i'm disgusted they have ruined statement friday, its the thing i look forward to after a day at work. always completes the working day so well. I hope they intend to release another one on friday to make up for this

Good lord that’s a joke and a half.  You could sit here all night picking out the lunacy of the contradictions of that statement and that’s before you even get onto how condescending the whole piece is.

End of the day it doesn’t really look like they’re going to budge does it?

I too have just joined the Trust.

Apologies for not doing it before.

:soapy tit wank: loads of extra Trust members must be an official club Statement day.

I hope that the Trust will avoid making any snidey-pathetic (other posters descriptions on here not mine) statements in relation to this.....



Until 4.56 on Friday........ That will beat the club at their own game, they will not know where to turn!

Reg, organised fans protest, that sounds moe like it -  a march on the ground on a saturday morning - yes please.

to boston??

after you!

My highlight:



Was it not Diamandis that said if he had a choice between the club dying and moving to J17, he'd move to J17. So how are Mike Wilks comments "misleading and disruptive" when all he's doing is quoting the club's "general manager"?

One of many contradictions - but that was my favourite.

Amazing stuff.

Wonder if they bothered to ask Mike if he minded personal and private communications being displayed in public like that too - surely that's a breach of the Data Protection Act?

Saturday's meeting minutes are posted and within a few hours the club make a statement - pathetic!  Who are they trying to kid? :old:

Good point about data protection - thank god they didn't provide details of the backers financial status as requested, no doubt that would have been scanned and displayed on the official website by now!!

Yep.

Principle 6 to be precise

And reiterated by Mike Bowden at the meeting on Saturday! :twisted:  :twisted:

I'd also suggest Breach of Condifentiality as well. Although I'm sure Mike will be taking it up with his legal representatives as he rightly should.

Thanks Sam - I thought I was right. Well - who fancies emailing the Information Commissioner then?

I'm fucking fuming. Am I alone here?

I simply cannot comprehend any of this, so many contradictions it makes my head fucking spin.

No you're not mate.

The worst thing is that there is fuck all we can do.

My useless knowledge of the Data Protection Act comes into use! Does help being a Data Protection Co-Ordinator at work though  :wink: .

You'd be better off getting straight on the blower really. The IC can sometimes take a while to respond to emails.

I am fuming also, I can't beleive that some people on thisis have swallowed this shit. Every word of that statement makes you want to punch something

Same. I can't quite believe what I've just read.

Likewise.

Now we know why Bowden was at the Trust meeting.  The Board statement changes nothing but it gives the Consortium the chance to get stuck in and prove to the undecided that they are the way forward.  Sad it's going to get nasty but these guys aren't going to go without a fight.  I still can't work out why Mr D won't shove off - are the property development chances so great that he can't lose the chance of reaping the rewards OR is there something nasty lurking in the unreleased accounts that prompt him to do anything to prevent them becoming public?

I haven't actually read the article as i cannot be fucked. But, as i love being pedantic, i very much doubt that any personal data is within that email.

You'd have to be a complete cock to send personal details in an email to a football club.

Anyway, just to be a cock, that email would not form part of either personal data or sensitive data. The manner in which that information was both obtained and intended means nothing is or can be breached off the back of it. It's just out of order to make it public.

No mate

I am flabberghasted that they are making Luggy attend just hours before KO

I think this perfectly sums up the hatred for the board right now.

Whilst I can see some people are annoyed, you should still get behind the team, thats why we all support the club to see it doing well on the pitch. Boycotting games etc would have a detrimental effect on the players etc on the pitch.

You love the board dont you..you probably would kiss them if they asked.

No ones not getting behind the team Gaz

I thought I read about people boycotting games which I think is wrong. The orange stuff is peaceful.

Only Sonic and Pie and they cant really be arsed to go anyway.Oh and Mex but hes busy being Tony Wilson.

ah right ok. This kind of overshadows the youth team win..... bet those kids are gutted. Now in the Quarter final of the Youth Cup and all.....

We won't have a team this time next year at this rate. What's the fucking point. I've been trying to keep myself upbeat but this is the straw that broke the camels back.

This club isn't Swindon anymore it's a fucking pantomime joke that wouldn't look out of place in WWE.

I'm off to support Reading. At least the plastics there get to watch Premiership football and our lot at what will be Junction 17.

How does the song go? WE'LL NEVER DIE, WE'LL NEVER DIE, WE'LL KEEP THE RED FLAG FLYING HIGH CUZ SWINDON TOWN WILL NEVER DIE.

I know I went spasticated the other day at you but we all need to remember....

THE FANS ARE THE FOOTBALL CLUB. Don't give up just yet. Christ I sound like Delia....

Bollocks.

Absolute fucking bullshit.

How is not being at a game going to have a detrimental effect on what happens on the pitch?

Because who is going to run the scoreboard?  :wink:

Enjoy your franchise football Gazza, I'm not interested. The fans are the football club, yes, which is precisely why I'm boycotting. The club isn't run for the fans but without the fans they'll have to listen (or franchise out).

At least respond properly - how can somebody who is NOT near the football ground directly have a detrimental effect on the players on a matchday?

I'm not encouraging anyone to 'boycott' or anything of the sort, I simply can't be bothered anymore.

For somebody who so recently refused to even set foot in the Winners Lounge, you've changed your tune.

I am totally against franchise football and they have yet to say they are definately leaving. It wouldnt be Swindon Town FC if it was in Chippenham. would be embarassing to lose our club.

Why should the fans continue attending and paying out a fortune for games if they are going to be treated like shit with no respect given whatsoever.

The board need to realise what impact they are having and when they see revenue dropping (lets be fair money is the only thing that will make them give a shit about the fans) maybe then something will be done.

Enjoy your franchise pasties

truely amateur performance by the STFC lawyers - shouldn't be difficult to take over this bunch of numpties

I am trying to stay positive after all the personal shit I have been through over christmas. If fans stop going, then we go bust and have no club however on the flip side if we move to Chippenham we have no club. Maybe we should just all concede. SWINDON TOWN FOOTBALL CLUB IS DEAD.

Maybe someone can post a poll seeing how many would be prepared to boycott, or maybe its just boycotting home games Im not sure? I have a season ticket so it wont cost me any more to go anyway.

Gazza. I don't care if I'm the only one who doesn't go. I've given the club hundreds of pounds of my money this season even though I'm £14k in debt which is almost what I earn in a year, incidently. This isn't a massive proportion of my salary but you get my drift - it's money the board isn't going to get from me (out of principle).

Mike Bowden's cameo at the open meeting confirmed what we all knew deep down at the time and that is he was there to test the water, build up an understanding about what the Trust was telling the people there, only for him to blow it out of the water when he reported back to the management and they released a statement. This is mainly what's pissed me off the most.

I'm also sorry you have had a lot of shit over the Christmas period, we've been there mate.

We are going bust in June Gaz if someone does not do something.

Or do you honestly believe that they will get the creditors to agree to a 10 yr restructure og the CVA ?

SIMON PIEMAN

I want to make this clear, i dont love the board, I dont want franchise football and I dont want to piss anyone off.... If you want proof I am against Franchising etc this should clear it up http://archive.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/2005/12/1/255384.html

We don't want to lose our club

From the archive, first published Thursday 1st Dec 2005.

DON'T leave town ­ that's the message from supporters protesting against the possibility of the club leaving Swindon.

After hearing Mark Devlin, Swindon Town's deputy chairman, say the club may move out of the town if the plan to revamp the County Ground is left dead in the water, Gary Stanley, 24, has decided to stage a peaceful protest in January at the match against Bournemouth.

As reported in Tuesday's Advertiser, the plans for a new stadium at the County Ground ­ which would include a hotel, leisure complex and 600 new homes on the surrounding land ­ look likely to be rejected by the council on legal grounds.

Questions were raised at a Swindon Council meeting last Thursday about the legality of the council bequeathing the club the land surrounding the development so it could raise the money to pay for the new stadium.

Mr Stanley, who works for Thames Water, said he had been talking with other supporters about the protest, which will be called Loud and Proud ­ Give the Town a Ground Day.

"We as fans find it very disheartening to hear the board saying this," he said.

"We are now pleading with the council to work with the club to keep this illustrious club in Swindon."

He said that for teams such as Hull City, Reading and Swansea, new stadiums have brought success to the teams and given towns a centrepiece to be proud of.

"We are committed to showing the council, and the club, that the club needs to stay at its home in Swindon.

"If the club leaves Swindon, the town itself will lose thousands in income to local businesses from away supporters, who wouldn't visit the town if it wasn't for football."

The stadium and its surrounding infrastructure would cost £50.1m.

At the moment the club will pay for this by £25m earned from the sale of the adjacent land for development, £5m from the Lottery and Football Trust funding, with £20.1m left to find.

The controversy surrounds the £25m that the club will earn. If the plans go ahead as present, the council would be effectively giving Town the money by giving it the land.

On Tuesday Coun Justin Tomlinson (Con, Abbey Meads) who has been heavily involved in the project, said the plans could not go ahead as they are and that he would be meeting with the club to discuss alternative options.

Mark Devlin was unavailable to comment.

I'm not saying people should boycott, what I'm saying is why should the fans get dragged through all this shit, pay their money and get lied to and cheated by our current board and that I can understand perfectly if people decide to stop going temporarily/untill the current board is gone.

Staying positive is one thing but theres going to be limits on much people are prepared to put up with. This has dragged on for so long its ludicris.

Ashs idea (as per the other thread) of action is the best option in an ideal world but I think a monetary influence on the club, loss of revenue etc. might make them move quicker into resolving the current situation.

I hate this as much as you do however its getting tiresome now.

We are going bust in June Gary

Unless you believe that the majority of creditors will agree to a 10 yr restructured CVA ?

Would you ?

as funny as you find it, I think that shows where I am coming from, now admittedly no one wanted to take part in the protest at the time and maybe it was knee jerk but hey...

Bloody hell Gaz, I've only been winding you up about Chippenham mate  :-))(  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I'm dead serious about not going to games though.

Some other people may not see it as that hence why I posted it! I would likely lose interest in football all together if we moved.
COME ON WILDCATS!  :wink:

I haven't read the club statement. Is it really worth the 8 pages of severe anger aceness? Genius.

I'd encourage anybody who's gonna boycott the games still to come and sit in the merlin pregame to get drunk. That way I won't get lonely.

I'd be up for a sit in protest at the pub, Ben.

Fucking ace. It can be the "I'm going to drink the £20 I would have spent on a ticket in a pub mega-protest"

Sexy fun.

Um, except for the fact that I've said I will donate ticket money to the trust  :o

No worries, I'd only spend extra money on beer anyway, so hardly much difference. And if I'm lucky, Reading might be on the telly one week.

Hmmm im coming around to this idea  :mrgreen:

Ace. Any more for any more?

You continue to talk bollox gazza. The point being made earlier was that if fans stay away as part of an inteligent protest, the board would have no choice other than to take notice as they would be starved of funds.

I'm fucking fuming that the club pump liquid shit out of the doors in a clear and shameless effort to split the fanbase, and you are happy to ride the wave and sing their happy tune to the rest of us.

Do the research; Diamandis and Holt worked for Robert Maxwell.  Do you ever stop and think about how the media (yes, even in a relatively small town like Swindon) is used and manipulated by people with a vested interest to sway opinions?

The board are using largely obsolete and outdated media methodology to create a feeling of uncertainty among the fans of stfc, yet they still seem to be able to convince you that they are the future, despite the damming evidence right in front of your fucking eyes!

Ask yourself a couple of simple questions gazza; Why would the trust put so much effort into backing Bill Power and Mike Wilkes consortium? Are they sinister cunts trying to make a few bucks off the club? Do they hope to cream off some lucrative contracts if Power takes control? From what I see and know, the trust is a load of fans who want whats best for the club in the long run. I have asked questions of several trust team members in the last few weeks and have had straight forward and consistent answers.

Conversely, why would the board wish to remain in control of an entity that allegedly loses money year on year? Why would they say on the one hand that they want to sell up, then publiclly resist a serious offer to relieve them of their burden?

If the board are attacking the trust then they are attacking all of us. The time has come for us all to stand together, including you gaz :wink:

I just tried reading the club statement again. I don't think I have the mental strength to do it. Can someone record a spoken word version for me?

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight everybody.

It's designed to do that to you Ben........Dont you see!! It's the love of Swindon Town......It will never leave you!

Well, it does in that by not being there, it's one less voice singing out for the lads. But I'm certainly not going to dictate to anyone about their personal choices as to whether they attend games - that said, I'd be opposed to an "official" boycott (and I know you weren't suggesting a boycott, sonic). That really would split the fans and could harm the team.

:shock:  So it looks like the statement has worked then by starting to get everyone arguing amongst each other. The stfc board are like a cornered rat and the trust/consortium are the people have cornered them. So by issuing a statement knowing that we will start bitching at each others posts they are winning. But to say that not turning up to games wont effect the players is total tripe. If the players start noticing that the attendances are going from say 6,500 to 3,500 are they not going to want to find out why.
   
If we don't get promotion and stay in league 2. Will the board blame the trust/consortium by saying we upset the mechanics of the club.

If we do get promotion to league1 will the board expect us all to praise them for such a wonderfull achievement.


I have signed up for the trust ages ago and think the trust is the future. I just don't want to wake up and find that stfc is no longer.

My Head hurts reading all this. I just wish it was all sorted now.

Is it me or is getting a little Tedious (sp?) now with all this bickering?!

Yep, I'm behind the consortium 100% but I don't want to hear any more about it now until it's sorted. I certainly do not want to read any more lengthy, tedious, trying-to-stir-the-shit statements from the club - FACT!

That's now my attitude. I used to bury my head in the sand and always state how shit like this ruins your appetite for the club.

It's true, people are now staying away.

Me? I'll go regardless. I'm now going to ignore everything pumped out of this club and the consortium, including anything within this forum that effects my feelings towards the club.

Propaganda and speculation, en masse, is not conductive to a heathly club. I know the board are champions of this discordant shit, but it is in no way good for fans and people within and around the club to constantly stoke the fires. The long term effect is one of disillusion and apathy.

I watch football; i love town. I don't give a fuck who runs the club, what our finances are like, or what division we're in (within reason). None of this i consider fundamental to my love for the club. All i care about is enjoying my football.

I couldn't give a shit if we were to never reach the championship, or to never sign expensive players. Obviously i'd  love to watch a successful club, and see a new board in place. I'd like to see us challenging and i'd like to see us winning, but the bottom line is the club, the rest is merely window dressing.

Terry Wogan in the style points of view please.

I agree with all that wholeheartedly apart from the bit about not giving a f**** who is running the club. The fact is that ulimately, however sick of the mud slinging, derogatory comments and rehtoric that many of us are,you have to care because with these clowns in charge there will be no club left as we know it and not too far down the line we will be looking forward to local derbies with Fairford Town and Supermarine.

Oh for the days of discussing new players and departures.  Ignorance truly is bliss when it comes to the affairs upstairs at Swindon Town FC.

Unfortunately once that Pandora ’s Box has been opened could you ever go back to purely supporting the side on a Saturday knowing the club could be on the road to hell.  Or worse, Chippenham.

I wonder if hypnotism would work.

I applaud you, The Trust has not responded which is good, This tit for tat arguements would turn people against the Consortium and have some people saying they are as bad as each other. Well said.  :beers:  :beers: Lets hope it all gets resolved and in 7 days time the new statement comes out saying that the parties are all sat down discussing the conditions of a buyout.

If both parties have the clubs interests at heart then they should sit down and talk it through like adults. Not slag each other off in public. I'm 100% behind the consortium, but at the end of the day its the future of the club at stake and I like others, want this whole fiasco sorted one way or another.

Im not an expert at business matters, but after (trying) to read all this, and understand it, it does seem to me that the board are making it as difficult as possible for any progress to be made. This is despite someone (holt i think) saying that they would have to listenh to any offers made.

Like i said, i have very little understanding of how businesses work, and tend to follow the crowd. However, heres ny two penny-worth

- The board are constantly going on about how the trust are making these descisions public. Yet, from what i've seen, all trust statements are in response to those made from the board. From what i've seen, it is the board releasing details of the offers made, and proposed changes.

- The CVA has been paid apperantly.  :-))(  In any other walk of life, to lie about something so serious to its shareholders woulkd hold serios consequences. So why not in this instance??

- They wanted bill powers money. He was involved in a plane crash, and then they suddenly wanted nothing to do with him. Now the want to know why he's jumped ship with the trust, and not with them. I WONDER, YOU IGNORANT CNUTS.

- In 5 years, they've taken us to the bottom division, and near to extinction twice. Surely someone else deserves a turn now.

I dont fully agree with the stay-away protests, as no matter what you say, this will affect the players. An idea i have had though, is that everyone turns up to this open meeting, wearing as much orange as is physically possible.

Those are my views. They may be total bullshit, but dont bite my head off about it.

So does every other Town fan, but unfortunately the board (!) likes making their statements to try and split the fan base. The fact is, that they seemingly do not want to show the consortium the books for some reason. Why, I'll leave it to your imagination !!

- In 5 years, they've taken us to the bottom division, and near to extinction twice. Surely someone else deserves a turn now.



With all due respect we were relegated last year because we had players who werent good enough and a Manager that was clueless .

employed by who? and under contract restrictions imposed by who?

the board will blatantly have sturrock backing them,this will divide alot more of fans and cause alot of unrest.
i fear most will go along with what sturrock wants and this will greatly damage the trusts campaign.
its going to get alot nastier yet imo.

i think power and his advisers need to get around the table with the board and thrash it out.if power backs the trust as he says then when he gains control of the club he can involve the trust then.

The club have invited Power etc to thrash things out so... lets just see what happens!

Sturrock should have the sense to stay out of it, it's got nothing to do with him at this moment in time.

I'd be very disappointed if he genuinely wants to get involved with this business as it will surely detract from on the pitch performances.

I think I know the answer to that one, RobertT.

The Manager was employed by Mike Diamandis, who has been General Manager of STFC for the past 5 (or more) years. Incidentally without most fans knowing of his existence until very recently. Not a shoadowy figure though, just a cronically shy one.

The same fellow who imposed the contract restrictions, transfer policy, wage budget and ticket prices which crowned his five (or more) year tenure with our worst ever season in living memory.  :|

Yup, no problem with that. That's what we've been trying to do since November.

They also wrote to Phil Emmel at the end of November saying they didn't want direct contact, but to put everything through Trevor Watkins. Which is what we've been trying to do. Have your cake and eat it?

what do the board have to hide, really?

If you owned a company that didnt make any profit and was in lots of debt...and someone came along offering to buy it from you....you'd take their fucking hand off.

Im seems clear to me anyway, that; the CG will not be re-developed while the current board are in charge; the football league will not let us re-locate to j17.

Therefore, for the forseeable future the club will not be making a profit and it will gather more debt.

Why are they so intent to keep hold of such a non-profitable business?

You'd think it would be fairly easy wouldnt you? Could have avoided all the fall out, bad press bickering etc even if Diamandis et al didnt like what was said at least there would have been a full and frank exchange of views.

<sigh> You'd have thought so, yes.

I didn't read it as an invitation for BP and Emmell to go and talk re: a takeover, but more regarding the outstanding share/loan issue. The invitation on 'the future' being that if it is a share issue, as the club claim it is, then he'll have a future role, most probably deciding who to sell them to - James, Seton, or Diamond Mike!

power should now counter those comments last night and state what he wants.then the ball is firmly in the boards court

Just to reiterate:

I'm not going to 'boycott' matches with the view to pressurising the board to sell, I'm not going because I'm not spending money on a 'product' (as it was so eloquently put by Mr Diamandis) that treats its fans like dirt.

I may love the team, may have really been enjoying things from a football perspective this season, but I've had enough of being force fed my opinion

Yeah! and we're going to sit in the pub and play board games instead.

Ooh good idea.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: ace! Saturday afternoon chess with Flammable Ben and Simon Pieman  :D

I understand that bit but im pretty sure that the Greek didnt tell the players the tactics last year or to go and play like clueless twats for most of the season.Bottom line is that we got relegated last year because we were not good enough.

If we get more people joining our protest we could move up to the true game of skill and intelligence. Monopoly.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: or the Deal or No Deal board game?

i'll join you if we can play cluedo.

Simon, thats a gay point of view.

It would be much more productive to actually do something proactive such as protest, rather than sitting in the pub sulking like a stoppy teenager who has been told to clean his room. :|

Why should I make protests that fall on deaf ears (/blind eyes)? If you were unhappy with your mobile phone service you wouldn't renew your contract. Don't tell me how to spend my money, I certainly haven't told anyone else how to spend theirs.

You told me you wanted a double not a single.Now in my eyes you advised me how to spend my money

Lying cunt :D

:D

And don't speak ill of the staying in the pub with board games protest.

Playing board games in the pub is so fucking studenty.Get some darts you cunts :x

I'm not telling you to do anything, just pointing out that sitting in a pub on a saturday afternoon is going to do fuck all other than get you pissed. Which in itself isnt such a bad thing, but its not going to make STFC any better or make the board at least talk to the consortium.

And STFC is nothing like a mobile phone contract. What are you going to do, support a "competitor" instead? Perhaps see which one offers you the best deal? Lets see, city are offering me a season ticket for £100, but Oxford are offering one for £110 with 100 free texts a month?

For an obviously intellegent bloke its a fucking stupid point of view and a shite analogy.

Ok it is a shite analogy. I'm not wanting to fucking change the world piemaonte, I'm not even trying to change the football club. I'm just sick to a point where I can't be fucked to pay my money out.

Give me £15 each game and I'll fucking be there. I don't mind wasting your money.

Do I look / sound like a charity?

fuck off you scrounging cunt  :mrgreen:

I can't see how all this behind the scenes bollocks would make anyone not want to go and watch a game of football. But then I'm a bit thick :shock:

Oh right, I've just seen where you explained that bit.

You should still support Luggy and the team though. They've done nowt wrong and ultimately it's them we want to do well isn't it?

It's not that I don't want to watch football. I just don't want certain people to get my money.

Once they've paid the playing staff and management and covered stewarding/policing and matchday operating costs I wouldn't think there'd be much left over from gate receipts.

Which is one of the reasons they're skint.

I don't believe that for one minute. This season, on a week to week P&L we're almost certainly cash positive based on by far the biggest gates in the league and presumably one of the lowest wage bills. (before they employed two highly paid executives in place of Linda Birrell that is.)

You've totally misinterpreted what I meant. I meant I don't want the board to use my money to pay their salaries who in turn slag the fans off

 With all due respect....we had the 4 or 5 loan players at a time in the side because of the paltry budget....a deliberate policy decision from man who runs the club.

 The inexperienced manager was selected because after a protest  :king:  was sacked.....one of Iffy woan or Reeeeeves was always then going to be appointed as it cost no extra.

  :king: was sacked because the Board didn't want the heat turning on them....having to scuttle out through the club shop  doesn't look good.

  The more direct action cannot now be too far away....but may need something to make it combust.