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Does anyone have links to sky's profit/loss figures dating to before the start of the Premier League?
And also does anyone know where I can find attendance figures for all 4 divisions, again starting from before the Premier League?

Would be very grateful if someone knew where to find tese figues as i've had no  luck searching so far.

Thanks

I think I can give you the references to some books which will have things such as attendance trends, but you'll have wait until I get back from work as it's in my dissertation I did for last year.

What do you need it for?
I could get profit levels for BSkyB as well, but this would be from an online source.

That would be brilliant if you could give me those sources. Need them for my dissertation too. Looking at the effects sky has had on english football. Online sources are fine as I can't seem to find the stats anywhere else. What was the title of your dissertation?

http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/article/0,1002,cid%253D56148,00.html

Is probably the best thing you could get. £40 for students (it was free when I got a copy in 2001)

despite most of the grounds being empty FA Cup attendences this weekend were the highest in 25 years  :shock:

The title is:

Salary Caps in the English Football League: Can They Make Teams Profitable?

To be honest it was a pretty simplistic idea but you'd be amazed at how little research there is on this topic - yet so much written about it.

I'll have a plough through what I can find now and try and condense it down to the most useful stuff. You'll have to bear with me a bit, it was 3/4 of a year ago I did mine  :shock: (doesn't time fly?)

Ok forgive me here but I am going to make loads of posts so I can kinda work through stuff methodically....

Firstly this is actually a really good website.
http://www.football-research.org/

There's loads on there but in particular you might find useful in the research and publications (then books and pamphlets) there's a book which has been typed up in full onto the internet  :)

It's called Football In The Digital Age. There's also stuff about BSkyB taking over ManUre etc so I think it should be really useful.

Books

These are useful as a reference. Often they reference other research but they are not research/studies in their own right, so be careful using them too much:

*Conn, D (1997) The Football Business: The Modern Football Classic [Mainstream Sport]

*Dempsey, P and Reilly, K (1998) Big Money Beautiful game: Saving Soccer From Itself
[Nicholas Brealey Publishing].

*Dobson, S and Goddard, J (2001) The Economics of Football [Cambridge University Press]

*Morrow, S. (1999) The New Business Of Football [Palgrave Macmillan]

http://www.allpartyfootball.com/preleases/apfg1stinquiryreport.pdf

That's a useful pdf. It has also been published in hard copy. Page 4 of the pdf talks about broadcasting money trends since 1992. So might give you an extra reference although there isn't an awful lot else going on here.

Here's the attendance figures of all football league clubs from 1991 - 2000:

http://www.soccer.mistral.co.uk/atts/avs9100.htm

And more summarised for each division from 1994/5 onwards:

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/stats_att_01.htm

Here's a zipped folder of some journals that are relevant in some shape or form. I've uploaded them onto yousendit - hope it works ok.

http://download.yousendit.com/CDDBA4CB4386E152

Below is a brief summary of each:

american_insight - this one talks about revenue etc from american perspective but relates it to the direction european football is going. Might be semi useful

Hoen & Szymanski - more on americanisation

S & F review - skip to page 37 on this pdf for a few more facts



Szymanski - terribly detailed, very mathmatical but skip to the conclusion because it really relates to attendance and has some interesting facts in there to boot.

http://download.yousendit.com/EE68E9B050CE7344

That file has the accounts for sky (broadcasting not group) since 1997. Can't go further back than that.

Source: http://fame.bvdep.com

Lastly....

try using your uni's online search stuff for journals online and also google scholar can be quite useful.

Pieman homework service.  £15 a essay.

Football dissertations are AMAZING.

Regards,

Rich "also doing a football dissertation" Pullen

 :D

you have to take in to account man u's massive extension 75,000 their the weekend and liverpool playing arsenal in round three.

Liverpool and Man U are two of the teams who would always be near sell out irrespective of opposition.  It could be equally argued that Man City, Newcastle and Arsenal who have the three biggest other grounds in the country were all away.

Thanks very much for the feedback especially Simon. A lot of useful information their, especially the data on sky and the attendances which I couldn't find. I'm in a similar position to you as although there have been a lot of articles, books etc they all seem to say the same things so i've got to trawl through them all.
I owe you several pints for this as a lot of that data is stuff I haven't been able to find so far. Can you PM me your name please so I can acknowledge you in the dissertation?

It's really Simon Pieman  :wink:

PMing you now

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Whats funny about having a big stadium?

 I once did a dissertation on the effects of excessive nitrate fertilisers on lumbricoid worms......it wasn't amazing  the :doobie: whilst I contemplated my chosen patch of planet Earth....was compensation, however.

Sunderland  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I'm sure there must be a good reason why there isn't a pic of Sky Mangle in this thread....

http://www.undercover.com.au/pics/StephanieMcIntosh070506_1.jpg

Is that the bird out of neighbours?

I'd soon give her one  :oxford:

Oh Fucking Jesus !!!!!!!!

if she asked politely...

Nice, but Elle is nicer. Anyone see the new people today? They've got to be the most annoying new batch since the Martins

pic ?

On the left...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/07/tvwomen_wideweb__470x334,0.jpg

Now that's a fantasy right there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G0CPoDI9AA

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'd do em all !

But yes the L/H one does look like she would take a facial