Thetownend.com

Dont know whether to read to much into it but Starnes said in todays adver that the funds for the transfer had been organically found and no fresh investment had come in, that would make Sturrocks quotes interesting to say the least as it doesnt appear that its a new investor.

Which means once again it looks like the CVA isnt being prioritised I for one would be delighted with a great new player but bit worrying all the same  :rain:

Fuck me, are there any forums you haven't posted this on!  :D

Haha I am at work so bored  :D

In terms of a fee being paid, chief executive Martyn Starnes confirmed last night that the nominal fee' in question had been found organically rather than as a result of a sudden influx of fresh cash..

It means that the money has been found from "inside the business"

Now that could mean through increased revenues (gate receipts etc)or reduction in base operating costs (shedding players wages, Wise & Poyet etc)

Strange when there are still creditors to satisfy and the CVA situation


Hmmmm .........

I dont give a fuck tbh.doubt we will ever know where it come from im just gonna watch the football all this politics is pissing me off

Or creatively accounted the money from not paying the VAT Man ? :shake:

Only explaining where "organic money" came from.

You on blob ????

I think "organically found " is a euphemism for a hole in the ground, somewhere on the CG pitch, where a large mound of cash is buried.

nah wasnt replying to you just saying in general getting pissed off with it all.This time next week they will try and gloss all over this with the announcment that we have a new investor on board

Im pissed off with it all as well to be honest.

I really wish we could go back to the days where all we had to worry about was winning on Saturday.Where we could be excited about a new signing and not give the financial side a thought.Thats the how it is for 95% of other clubs supporters be it premiership or this league.

Thats doesnt mean I dont care or that I'll stop doing what I can,its just hankering after a more simple time really.

Like at MK .. where you were quite simply pissed Yeovil  :D

Yes I was.

Do you know who i am?

You werent in the Wetherspoons were you?

You should say hello though it was proabably wise not to at MK :mrgreen:

Actually no I don't ... but sonic came over to say hi at MK and did say he was going to introduce us .... but umm you were not ummm errr around at the time!! :D

I would love to have been in Wetherspoons .. but as my 15 year old lad is always with me at games .......  and I feel pretty certain that a pub on match day with you and your rabble will hardly be a suitable model for him to aspire to ... at least on the days when I remember to try to be a responsible parent...... and besides I would rather wait until he can stand a round as well!!!

Perhaps at Palace if sonic goes?

rabble - are you sure you meant that?

"rabble n. A tumultuous crowd; a mob. The lowest or coarsest class of people. Often used with the. A group of persons regarded with contempt: “

Does that sound about right to you Yeovil??  :D

Think carefully about MK before answering!!!!

Seems fair.

Hertabs lad was with us though and he had a great time (I think)

It was a L&P day out not the SAS mobbing up :D  im sure you and your boy would be fine and find it highly enjoyable.

It would be good to link up a bit more when away ..... we enjoy the journey each way together ... but sometimes we get to an away game way too early ..... so ... it could be a plan

Well there were quite a few younger persons in Weatherspoons so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just a bit of light hearted banter with the home fans really

to be fair, you dont hear anything in the pub pre-match that you wont here in the ground during the match anyway...

Yeah he did Yeovil, particularly the lager you bought him!

hey he reads the forums as well so he knows what you guys call me !!  :D

I am sure it could not be much worse!! .. I look forward to linking up at a future game.

I work alot of Saturdays so dont make many away games but we'll sort it out sometime.I'll corrupt your lad to the darkside and sign him up for the Trust 8)

hey .. do that .. and he finds his own way home!!!!!  :D

Maverick is an ambitious politician  from marlborough. Libdem or independent i think! Having read his posts on thisis,  he wouldnt get my vote.
Are you still slagging trust board members off mav? Or have you moved on?

Millom out.

I could post a link, but i cant be arsed!

http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/forum_new/topic.asp?topic_id=321658&whichpage=16

Doesn't work millom.

I know..its annoying!
Sorry hertha, i cant get it to work.

millom .... I am an Independent (wouldn't touch any of the parties at a local level in my area) on a town council (equivalent of a parish council just for a slightly bigger population).  So hardly anything to be seen as significant .. and certainly not ambitious! ..... I am in my 50s and have a day job too ... and having almost served my first 4 year term ... I have serious doubts about whether I will stand again..... oh and even if I was ambitious .... STFC would not help me with that ambition in any way as it is too far from Marlborough to be of any relevance to politics in my town.. and I am not able to be a politician in Swindon as I live outside the permitted boundaries!!

If it helps I think you will find this is the link you were trying to put up ... hope it works!!


http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/Forum_New/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32165&whichpage=16

Finally .... yes I will still criticise the Trust Board when they make abusive comments about MikeD or other members of the Board .. as personally I think it does them no credit and brings them down to the same level as those within the club who choose to do the same.   Supporters I have spoken with (the ones that do not support the Trust) have said many times that it is that abuse/hostility that puts them off the Trust ...... just as abuse from the club puts people off the present Board and their associates ... I think that Trust members and other fans seem to be more than capable of keeping the abuse going if that is what people want ... but for Trust Board members to conduct themselves with a tad more dignity would (I think) do an awful lot of good for the cause they are supporting.

Anyay ..... time to get ready for Palace ..... something we can all agree about methinks!!

A fair reply....i doth my cap to you. But you do tend to change your opiniom to often for my liking. Thankyou for posting the link.

Not a problem millom .... and yes I do change my opinion on a frequent basis ... the joys of being an independent means I don't have to toe any "party line" ... and as more information gets revealed about something it means I don't have to stay in an "entrenched" position.

To some perhaps .. a wishy-washy fence-sitter ... I prefer to try to think that I am just open-minded (yeah right ... even I didn't believe that one!!  :D )!!

Maverick - you may have been tarred with the same brush as some others who seem loved up with the board but it is a fact you have mixed up the trust board with trust members in the past. I cannot help but feel that this is one reason that a lot of people hold your comments in contempt. It would be the equivalent of saying every shareholder in STFC was a member of the board.

The Trust have only 'attacked' matters which have been masked by the board of STFC, whereas the club seem to attack the transparency of the Trust. I know who'd I'd Trust more (no pun intended)!

Si - I don't know anyone who is "loved up" with the Board ..... I am sure there are some though ..... but there are certainly some I know who are wary of everyone!

I am sure I have quite probably got people mixed up and for that I apologise ... but certainly there are two of the trust board who have been the reason for some of my comments...... and bearing in mind that there are mainly two on the STFC "side" who get criticised for what they say (Mike D & Martyn S) .. in some people's minds it leaves the trust board open to being seen as sinking to the club's level.

To win over hearts and minds of the larger fanbase, I really think the Trust need to be seen as being able to rise above it all.  I know that the board are all passionate fans first and foremost ... but they have "put their heads above the parapet" by becoming board members, and so will be subject to scrutiny by all .... and lets face it if a "first-timer" came on this site (yes I KNOW it is 80% bollocks, perhaps closer to 90% on a good day!! :D ) ... and looked at the content of some of the trust board members posts ...... god knows how they would ever take the Trust seriously or see them as a viable or professional group!!

Hopefully people will not see this as "Maverick slagging off the Trust again" ...... it is intended to be constructive.

I can sort of see what your saying maverick but as you said about the board they are fans first and so are the trust .imo the actions of the trust should matter where it counts and thats on matchdays,trust meetings,in the letters and on the trust site.What they want to do or say on this site should have no relevence(spelling) at all in what they are trying to achieve

In an ideal world that would be true red macca .... but sadly people don't ever stop to think about "where someone is" when they say or do something ...... if you or I get pissed and lump someone and get arrested ...... nobody really cares (well I may get some negative press I guess but you know what I mean!!) ... but if it was MikeD or SSW or Bill P or Mike W or Paul D or Andy T (etc etc !!) ...... then it would be big news and get talked about everywhere (well big news in STFC's world!!).

If you wished me a merry Christmas and I told you to f*** off or called you a w***er .... in the middle of a car park ...... apart from you .. would anyone care (some might even congratulate me!! 8) )? ... yet if that is what happened and Mike D did say that .... then it seems everyone wants to lynch him for it (no I am not defending him .. just demonstrating that it is never going to be a level playing field!).

There's a world of difference between lumping someone and some off-the-cuff throwaway comments on messageboards as well you know. You seem to have constructed some kind of moral crusade around half a dozen comments from three Trust board members on one of the most informal and knockabout Town boards. And one of the three - ie me - you've publicly acknowledged hasn't indluged in abusive comments but has answered questions politley and properly, so you're left with trying to stoke up a holier-than-thou "Oooh, they're so unprofessional" smear on the basis of a few comments from two Trust board members. As has been said elsewhere, we're all fans, that's the point of it, and if you really feel that a fans' organisation is improved by not being able to talk to other fans as fans then I think you've missed the point. It's pathetic Maverick - why don't you give it up and try to focus on the real issues? Like for starters, I'm still waiting as I'm sure everyone else is for you to demonstrate your claimed balanced independence with a similar list of searching questions to that you demanded we answer of the board. Not holding my breath, mind.

pauld ... equally I have said before (a few times) ...... the Trust have asked a long list of questions of the current board many times ... and so have many others ....... the lack of responses to most of them is what people will/are judging them by.  Very few people have asked questions of the Trust or the Consortium in public, but when they have ..... they have either been answered or they have been questions that cannot be answered at the present because of the requirement for confidentiality...... people will make judgements based on that as well.

I asked questions because they were ones I had not seen asked and wanted to know ...... and I know that the Trust use the forums and respond through the forums.  I cannot think of any questions of the current club board that have not already been asked (often many times) by loads of people already .. the point of asking them all again for the umpteenth time would be what exactly?

Maybe as you are somebody the board knows of you may get some answers where the rest of us have failed. Why not give it a go.

ok Batch ... give me a list of say 10 questions ... (sensible ones would help!!  :D ) .. and I will try ..... don't hold your breath though .... I will email the club and post any reply ....... not sure what response I will get as except for Sandy Gray (who I met once cos she was at the meeting I attended) and Martyn Starnes (cos I met him in the club shop and wrote him an email to which he responded by inviting me to that meeting but didn't attend himself!) ... none of them know me from Adam (unless they read the forums!!).

I will write the email at the end of the week once I have sorted out what questions you think I should ask .... then we will see what happens ... I suggest we give them, shall we say, 14 days to respond?

What meeting was this that you attended and met Sandy and not Martyn then Maverick ?

Why would you get answers to questions that nobody else can get answers to ?

Nothing very significant Power to people : -

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~932416,00.html

I am not saying I will get any answers to questions ... but Batch suggested it, and I for one am happy to give it a try.

So this was the very meeting where the board insisted the CVA payments etc were up to date and current commitments have been met...

 :mrgreen: CLASSIC!

if the cva was paid,other bills paid,the decent income from large gates and the compo money for wise  used to purchase players,and the club seemed ambitious then i would back the board.
they are about as transparant as pea soup though and seem to be failing the clubs supporters.
the alternative seems to be the better option to take stfc forward at this moment in time

I'll have a think Mav and get back to you. Presumably you have your own list too.

triseros ... they never said the CVA was up to date ... they said that "all current commitments have been met" ... which as I have said before was factually corrrect as the CVA is being renegotiated and so nothing is currently due until it is sorted ...... but nevertheless incredibly misleading and certainly my view is that the reason that current commitments have been met should have been revealed ..... but technically they told no lie at that meeting.

arriba ... I agree that it would be very different if the cva could be paid .. not sure how much difference the increased gates make when taken against the reduced prices this season .... I don't know that the Wise compo is in yet ... I think I read somewhere that was still to come (I think Bates is not the quickest of payers) ... also even with the money in we would have to offload players before we could buy anymore because of the league two wage cap rule.

Batch ... I kinda have a list .. but was going to wait until the end of the week to see what else was suggested (and how often!!) before deciding .. I only want to ask about 10 questions ... because any more would certainly get ignored (in my opinion).

So you were at a meeting between the club and fans representatives?

But you have said in previous posts that you are an independent......

So how did you get an invite?

Who at this meeting was representing fans and from what group?

I know Bennett was there on behalf of the Official supporters group. what other fans groups were represented?

Id say a payment that was due in June would be a "current commitment" :roll:

The CVA is being negotiated. That doesnt mean they can fuck around with our club by not paying installments which they are legally obliged (sp?) to make!

Now i may be wrong but this statement suggest you know alot more than you let on.It has not been in anything i have read lately.If im wrong then sorry

Anyone else seen this

nope

I posted the meeting earlier in this thread herthab

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~932416,00.html

You will see that there were 3 from the Trust and also reps from the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters

As for how I got invited .. rather than repeat myself .. the following link should explain I hope!!!

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/Forum_New/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32165&whichpage=18

I warn you it is an extremely long and very tedious thread (helped to be tedious by me as you would expect!!) ..... It is a 25 page thread so I have linked to the page that I explained how it happened on.

Sorry to hear about your car

you have posted for quite a while now and make some good points but i still dont fully understand what is you actually want.

Im not being rude but the impressions i get from your posts are the following

You support the current regime
you support the trust
you dont have confidence in the board
you dont have confidence in the trust

Could you clear up for me what it is you actually hope will happen with our club.

To make it easier do you want the current regime to carry on or would you like the trust backed consortium to take over?

Please let's not turn this into a 25 page epic then shall we ?

please keep that comment to yourself.If a first time poster was to see that comment from a trust member they could see that as a sign that your not interested :wink:

:D

Why not Fred?

I'm not doing anything at the moment and I can't go anywhere as I haven't got a car!

Maverick (The irony of that name is so obvious!) Thanks for your reply and your sentiments regarding my unfortunate mishap.

I still feel you have an agenda.

red macca ... I may well be wrong ... I thought I had read/heard it .. if so I am sure someone else will confirm .. otherwise .. sorry ... but either way ..... we are at our wage cap (or close last time they told us) so unless we offload players we will not be able to bring anyone new in.

SwindonTartanArmy .. at the time of the meeting the CVA was already being renegotiated so there technically was and is no "current" commitment ... as soon as it has been renegotiated or fails .. then the amount will become due either right away if it fails .. or else whenever they agree the next payment will be due .... I do wonder how long these things take to renegotiate though!!

We were when we signed ince yes but he isnt here.

Im with herthab with this one i still think you are up to something.I wont judge you for that as thats your choice but if you are hoping to sway a few heads back in the current boards direction you are on the wrong site imo

we were near it when ince signed, now we aren't surely? Ince must have commanded a healty fee

Nah              Wise was only on 4.50/ hr minimium wage. When he grew up it would have gone up to 5.00/ hr

that's true SwindonTartanArmy ... and Wise and Poyet were technically on the players payroll whereas Sturrock (senior!) isn't .... don't know how much difference that will make but it may make a little .. although I would think they agreed to be paid as "management" to keep the players wage cap as low as possible

Fred please keep out of this or else we will be at the 25 page "cap" before I am ready!!  :D

:D

Forgot about Ince .. although I guess Zaaboub may have taken a small bit from that .. as would Timlin .. probably more than CCP and Monky going out gained us.

I'm guessing Monky is on Ok money, 26 signed on a free mote than CCP, I think Fulham might have paid for some of the Timlin wage, and as Zaboub was initially on a short term deal I'd have thought he's be quite cheap too.  Not forgetting the £8.50 a week we don't have to pay fola anymore, or Gurney.

true .... so ... hopefully if he can find them .. we could be looking at 2 possibly three new faces?

we hit the wage cap to get Evans and required a boost in funds to clear the Ince signing.  Unsure of the impact of Wise and Poyet (i.e whether they were ever included)

red macca .. you said

"Im not being rude but the impressions i get from your posts are the following

You support the current regime
you support the trust
you dont have confidence in the board
you dont have confidence in the trust

Could you clear up for me what it is you actually hope will happen with our club.

To make it easier do you want the current regime to carry on or would you like the trust backed consortium to take over?"

Yes, yes, no, no (to keep it short for Fred!! 8) ) .... and I hope that the club comes through the current troubles (it seems to have just about managed to so far) and that at the end of it there is the opportunity for all to unite again (ok so I can hope can't I???!)..... if that is an "agenda" herthab then that is mine!! ... as for the current regime or the Consortium ..... I still hope it is neither .. I would prefer it to be both working together .. that has to be the most bloodless way forward ... any alternative will do further harm in some way or another in my opinion.

also, we were £750k overspent after increased gates were taken into account (so said Bob Holt).  So we are probably closer to £0 now but not all the way there (£170k was the figure Diamandis quoted for compo on Wise).

I believe to renogotiate the terms of the CVA they need to gain acceptance from the creditors (75% is the required figure to set-up a CVA, so I assume the same applies for new terms).  I think the Council and Revenue are the likely sticking points in terms of both acceptance and probably time to respond.

oh, and I'm not sure about the impact if the renogatiation starts after the due date.  Presumably (help me out lawyers) once overdue any creditor could instigate winding-up proceedings regardless now.  So if one creditr doesn't fancy it, they could press ahead with a winding-up request.  I'm only making an assumption though, based on Power being around and not knowing about any variation.

Thanks Rob ..... I would think the Revenue will be the ones to take their time .. and the Council will probably be making sure they get "best value" .. which actually should be a "no brainer" as if we go under they get considerably less!! .. although they may be holding out to see if the Consortium win through because then they could get it all paid sooner rather than later

My memory may be failing me, but I think the Council voted against the CVA originally.  They were not very happy about being made to wait.

I've also read somewhere that the lease on the CG gives them the right to be involved in any meetings the club hold about their finances and also have the club report to them on a regular basis

 Cllrs Martin and Dobie, both stated they'd be happy to close the club down as it only brought them problems and did not do much for the majority of Council Tax payers.

Not sure in Swindon who bosses who ... I know in some the officers run the show .. and in others it is the Councillors .... but I doubt that they would get a majority to support just shutting us down, because they would not get their debt paid which would leave a gap to be found by the local taxpayer .. mind you they could sell the land and make a sizeable profit I guess!

   SBC doesn't know who bosses who, apart from the departments like Education and Social Services where the historic, poisonous ineptitude is of such proportion that outside agencies have had to be brought in to run them.

looking at an article in 2002, Dobie mentiond he'd be happy to go down and lock up the gates himself.  The Council passed a motion allowing them to call in the lease if we fail to pay them within 14 days of any payment date in future.

The Council got stitched up with the CVA, originally believing they were Pref Creditors who would received a one of £135k payment when it was set-up and then future payments according to the schedule.  seems they got changed to non-pref on the day it was agreed so get £80k ish in total over the whole CVA and had to write off over £300k.

I also think FWIW that the IR as a whole, are not best pleased with the ruling that discounted them from being an automatic preffered creditor in such cases.


There ......................... my last post in this thread !

I will add another then.

The current board have no friends at all, Maverick.

The fans, the council, their creditors, the local media, the slimy green things that inhabit the planet Zog.

They have fucked everybody over.

The local media?

How come they never come off the fence then?

Everyone feel free to insult Fred now.

Fred, you're a cunt  :wink:

I know there's a lot of finger pointing at those two individuals but there is a reason for that. Mike D clearly pulls the strings and Martyn S is the 'public relations' *chuckle* guy.

I still think it's pretty naive to lay blame solely on a particular individual and some of the abuse isn't unjust but possibly a bit to over the top. However, since Mickey did his famous interview he's lost any chance of 'a fair trial'. There is a witch hunt on, but there's a witch to hunt.

Come on Sam. Do us a graphic of Diamandis in a witches hat, cloak and warts?

The pointed ends of a paling fence have long since departed from the arses of Ritson, Hadwin and Hodgetts methinks, Yeovil.

I think Mike D in a wedding frock was scary enough. Actually someone change that pic I did and put Sam's head on the groom  :mrgreen:

Surely there is a difference between seeking to renegotiate the CVA payments and actually having the relevant parties agree to renegotiate the payments.

To withold payments whilst seeking to renegotiate would surely be foolhardy. To present as fact that the payment in June was not made due to any renegotiations seems incorrect as in November a representitive of Hacker and Young said they were attempting to renegotiate. ie no agreement was in place in June.

I recall MD stating that the last agreed payments were based on a new stadium being  given the go ahead and investments coming in of the back of an agreement. He also gave the impression that as this was unlikey the terms of the CVA no longer applied. Does anyone ( a creditor) have any documentary evidence of this?

Mav, I had you down as an intelectual.  Using symantics to bolster  your argument just makes you look like a prick. Sandy Gray lied like fuck. You know it, we know it, and everyone else knows it. Cut the bullshit.



I've not read or heard that line anywhere else. Please tell us where YOU heard it? FWIW, I don't buy your 'man of the people' persona. I think you're a shit stiring cunt.

hahaha ace avatar

deltaincline ...... not trying to bolster any argument at all ... just saying that is how they stated it, which is technically correct and totally misleading ... said it before and will say it again.

I have no idea what was said at the AGM as I wasn't there ... but by all accounts they lied there.

As I also said before ... if I got it wrong about the Wise money then sorry ... just I thought I had seen it somewhere ..... and let's face it, it is not uncommon for payments to be delayed or staged in football.

Not sure what I would gain from stirring ... but I am sure someone will find the conspiracy theory for me!

Did you kill Diana?

can't think where I got the inspiration.. :wink:

I don't want to marry Diamond Mike  :cry:

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Now thats what I call a real cool avatar, Sam :soapy tit wank:

 :D