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Is anyone going to this carol service tomorrow night?

dont be daft

unless.....

is there a free bar?

There's probably free mulled wine and mince pies, that's the norm at these sort of things. But you need to sing first.

Im taking Jenna

An orange hatted congregation would be interesting.

Wouldnt it!

nice and divisive at a time of "goodwill" ... sigh  :-))(

Jesus was actually quite aggressive when he drove out people he thought were desecrating somewhere he considered sacred.

God in the Old Testament completely scoured the Earth apart from Noah's family and two of each animal.

FWIW, I'm not able to attend the Carol Service as I've got a conference call at work which won't finish until 7 but if I was personally I wouldn't wear an orange hat to the Carol Service. Wouldn't seem appropriate somehow, although I'm struggling to rationalise that tbh.

I'm not wearing orange to this.

Will be good though. I'm not for or against religion (I'm not mature enough to make a decision as to whether I need religion in my life), all I know is that some of the bass parts on these carols are fantastic. Not that you can see any of STFC actually knowing the parts of the carols.

I am more looking forward to the priest guitar solo actually.  :--

I hope Evans doesn't mosh to much. We don't need another injury.

pfft

 Do you get paid by the post by Newbury or is it just a flat hourly rate?

Sorry Reg I had forgotten that all voices that do not toe the new "party line" to the letter, must be part of the Newbury shower!

All hail to the great Reg Smeeton ..... better?

 :-))(

Maverick you my friend are a spoon and a hypocrite you say we are one sided but you have very rose tinted specs regarding certain parties until you choose to ask questions of both sides you are anything but impartial  :roll:

Oh yes .. I nearly forgot .. Kerching .. that must be more for my back pocket too!!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

   Its quite straightforward....you claim to vacillate over your position, as a simple seeker of the truth.

   However you get  answers to all your questions from the Fans Consortium side, refuse to seek similar answers from the Board side, and take little note of any that are offered using previous statements from the Newbury placemen, as available sources of data.

 So although you claim to still be sitting on the fence in the interests of objectivity, your posts always carry a pro Board anti Consortium bias, which is why I view them with suspicion..  Only my opinion mind, I speak for no party line.

Sorry Reg you lost me on the "using previous statements from the Newbury placemen" comment .... but as I have already said before .... what is the point of asking questions of the board on here?  They never contribute ... so other means have to be used to try to get answers from them..... they may or may not answer me ... but if I don't get answers to questions then I am left to my own conclusions.  Reasonable?

And what are your conclusions, based on your answers from both the Trust and the Board?

surely not receiving any responses to your questions to the club yet the fans' consortium being entirely forward and open speaks volumes?

i believe paul davis et al have responded to all of your concerns yet your scepticism remains.

That's what I was subtly getting at Sonic!

sonic my main scepticism that remains is with regard to the current impasse.  I do not see how this approach is supposed to suddenly make SSW decide that he wants to engage in dialogue with these clearly "friendly" people, who have no time for those who (for whatever reason that is certainly not clear to me) he chooses to trust and believe in.

I really want ANY sound investment in the club .... I do not see how this current approach will work ..... it needs a large amount of humble pie to be consumed by the Consortium/Trust and swallowing of pride .. in the perhaps vain hope that progress can be made.  The greater prize for all is worth that much surely?

What, exactly, has the Trust done to make apologies neccessary?

Whether you are, or not, you sound like an apologist for the current regime, despite the fact that they have clearly told half truths, cannot agree between themselves what line to take (One minute they want Bill Powers money, the next they don't; one minute the CVA is up to date, the next minute it's not; one minute they are so skint they have to sack Linda, the next they're recruiting directors/advisors left right and centre; one minute they would jump at the chance to sell the club, the next minute they don't want to sell, etc, etc, etc.

  The current board, whether they have done nothing else wrong, has acted in a totally unproffessional manner and it is no surprise that a lot of supporters have lost all faith in them.

the impasse has been caused by the board's denial of receiving a 'proper' approach, which simply isn't true. it's nothing to do with who the consortium are refusing to negotiate with, the foundations of which are based on sound legal advice.

if you've been told by lawyers not to negotiate with a man who has no legal position at the club and is currently under investigation by the DTI, you're hardly going to ignore that.

anyway, SSW's the majority shareholder and that is who the consortium will need to negotiate with.

Ok fine ... you clearly have your stance ... but to me .. if I want something badly enough then I would rather grovel to get it than to see it all slip away ...... what does it matter who originally said what to who, or who cast the first stone?  To make progress will take agreement and negotiation ... so bite the bullet and persevere ... who cares if it takes 50 knock-backs and many closed doors? ... if it is truly worth it then try, try and just keep on trying .... but hopefully without the "blame" culture prevailing .. then surely the chances of success would be higher?

Any chance of answering my question Maverick?

Or do you only ask them?

Put your cards on the table, get on your knees and grovel - the board are just going to demand stupid money for what is essentially a worthless business without redevelopment. The redevelopment plans from the club have been laughable; the trust's redevelopment plans have been praised by local councillors - who gets the final say?

I understand that the consortium have made an excellent offer to SSW which has been refuted. If they were so willing to sell, why not now?

What have Newbury got to hide?

The negotation and agreement will come once the Consortium manage to get the right people to sit down with them, I believe these people have so far declined the opportunity. How do they negotiate when they can't even talk to them?

As for the blame culture, that exists for perfectly good reasons. It doesn't take an expert to work that out.

Frankly I'm pretty astounded at your continual defence of the board, you're as clued up as anyone on here and moreso than you're 'average' fan.

Judas Priest played the carol concert? Fucking Hell!

Exactly! :box:  Well said Reg!! Did anyone go orange?

I think you are just a stirrer.

Haven't you got better things to do?

Or is stirring a career?

He loves goose TT..............Nuff said!!

Millom

Hmmm now let me see ..... trying to suggest alternative ways other than abusive and hostile posts in forums .... stirring? .... ok .. if you insist.

 :?

You have every right to your opinion and position regarding the current consortium bid.  I don’t feel however that simply provoking hostile responses by refusing to answer legitimate questions is either helpful to the debate or frankly showing you to be anything other than provocative and subjective.

I and my Trust colleagues have attempted to answer your questions honestly and openly (within the bounds of legality) and I (and I suggest others) would have far more respect for your strongly held opinions if you applied the same level of scrutiny and concern to the position held by the Board.

Are you really suggesting that we should agree to anything the Board or its plethora of advisors and hangers on suggest?  Do you think that we have not made numerous attempts to engage in dialogue and despite personal phone calls and offers of personal meetings directly to SSW we have been rebuffed?  

Perhaps you could ask the same question we are struggling to comprehend; why after so many statements offering the club to any group with the relevant financial backing are they now stating that the club is not for sale?  The questions we want answered have been well documented on this forum and elsewhere and to date we have no answers.  

Perhaps in the light of your self evident dogged and determined approach you could assist in seeking some of those answers?

 :roll:

Incidently Mr H, I hear (BBC RS) the club are to receive a written offer today repeating the verbal offer made to SSW. So we'll see if they give it the due consideration it deserves.

No, but you go much further than that, don't you? At least in one direction. Hijacking a thread about a carol service to demand that the consortium pay obeisance and show all cards before negotiations properly begin (like any sensible business would?) ... helpful?

Despite the fact that this was obviously a light hearted comment re wearing orange at the carol service, by your response it seems to me that you are the one that is seeking to be divisive.

I have followed your posts on different forums and despite the fact that I consider some of your posts vaild I too have noticed that you appear to be on a mission to ignore the answers you are given by the Trust while persisting in asking one sided questions.

Could you therefore tell me what questions you have asked of the board and Diamandis and what the answers were. Did you ask these questions in person or by email, letter or phone? Have you met with anyone from the Trust or Consortium?

If you are not purely out to attack everything that is said and done by the Trust perhaps this should be better reflected in your posts.

so...... did anyone go to the carol service?

nah, I'm an atheist.

Yeah, I was there. Stames, Pook, Leader of Supporters Club and youth manager did readings. Shakes, Royce, Brown, Wells, Nicho, Mackey and a few others were there. Was good. Didn't see too many people I recognised. They said Sandy Gray has had an accident (dunno if this has been covered elsewhere) so Ady Williams couldn't be there as he was in hospital with her. And Luggy was spending time with his family.

Spoke to Roger from the SC last night and he said it went well, about 100 people there, 10 or so players. He didn't say Ady Williams was in hospital with Sandy though - wtf?!?!

Ady is doing Sandy? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I'm probably wrong, was probably a separate thing.

Posted this last night.

Still no response.

Each to his own, but from now on I won't be responding to any of this no-marks posts.

Fucking annoys me when someone does this: Questions everyone else's views and opinions, but when you ask them a straightforward question relating to their own position................

You can ask me if you like but I think Reg might get jealous.

 Its no good trying to pass this on to me Spacey.....you're stuck with it.

Sorry herthab - was not meaning to ignore you  :oops: .. however I wasn't expecting a thread all to myself either  :o

I have been at work as well which doesn't help with keeping up with all the posts ...

To date I have had no replies from the Board, so until I do, I will draw my own (logical) conclusions.

Equally, almost without exception, the Trust/Consortium have answered all of my questions (or all that they feel able to given the confidentiality constraints).

Maverick, DID YOU GO CAROL SINGING

No ... STD .. was going to .. but then the kids decided that as it was raining, they didn't fancy driving to Swindon for it ..... I blame my daughter .. cos my son will happily go all over in all weathers to see Town .. even Chesterfield last season when it was -3.5C and we were sat on wooden benches for a night game!!

Does your car not have a roof :wink:

To be honest i cant blame your kid for not wanting to go. Just imagine what it would do for his street cred.

:soapy tit wank: the car journey was not the issue .. it was the thought of a wet walk to/from the car and a cold church!

He has no street cred anyway ... he is so passionate about STFC even at school!!

Everybody knows that swindon gear is the ultimate cool.

It is almost all he wears outside school ... and at 15 in Marlborough .. trust me that does nothing for his street cred!!

 Maybe this is what Yeovil was doing outside a school in Marlborough.....highly suspicious.

ohh your old. You dont know whats hip anymore. Just the other day i was walkin around in a pink shellsuit, donnay trainers, and a swindon bobble hat. I was gettin looks of admaration evrywhere  8) .  Your lad will go far

you know you are right .... I just can't keep up ..... is pink the new orange??!!

As for my lad going far ... trust  me at his age from ... bed to downstairs is far!

I won't be attending personally. Although there is a tradition for one side of my family to do such a thing, I, myself, have never done so and will not start now. Quite how football politics have become involved is beyond anyone's belief!

You missed it si pie! :groan1:

Wake up at the back! :P

Millom

He was talking about next years! :soapy tit wank:

you type like that disabled kid from Malcolm in the middle speaks.

It's very irritating.

Ha-ha
 :D