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Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: janaage on Monday, November 13, 2006, 14:47:15
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

Absolute joke.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 13, 2006, 14:55:04
Fucking gay bit of the human rights act.  They shouldn't have rights, they are in prison not fucking Butlins.

I'm all for bare minimum sustenance and slopping out in prison. Don't like it. Don break the fucking law in the first place.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 13, 2006, 14:55:09
the junkie waster cunts should be thankful!


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: Piemonte on Monday, November 13, 2006, 14:56:31
I think they deserve the compasion that any human being deserves. They should be given proper rehab and treatment.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 13, 2006, 15:00:13
fair enough giving them proper rehab, but it's a waste of time and resources if they're just gonna get back on it when they get released. of course,  some will stay clean but there's always going to be those who won't.

and compensating them for it is a fucking joke.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: yeo on Monday, November 13, 2006, 15:16:38
Shouldnt have settled out of Court surely if it went to Court any Judge in their right mind would have awarded nominal compensation i.e expenses and a penny.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: cavpete on Monday, November 13, 2006, 15:24:30
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Shouldnt have settled out of Court surely if it went to Court any Judge in their right mind would have awarded nominal compensation i.e expenses and a penny.



what got me is that the prison handbook states "that all prisoners should expect the same treatment and care as if they was outside". no wonder this country is a laughing stock. what next, cleaners inside prisons and tea ladies just in case they get parched playing there fecking ps2s'... :evil:  :evil:


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: red macca on Monday, November 13, 2006, 16:13:52
makes me fucking mad this does.getting paid to get clean??? the rewards for getting clean are your health,your life ,family, future and respect from society again

if thats not enough to get yourself clean then fuck treatment stay in prison wher you cant do anyone else any damage


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: herthab on Monday, November 13, 2006, 17:15:34
Fuck em. I think we should get ALL prisoners hooked on heroin, then make them ALL go cold turkey!

That would be a real punishment.

Theiving, murdering, conning, paedo scum.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: stfc_carver on Monday, November 13, 2006, 22:45:42
why should they be given proper rehab? someone please explain. its illeagal to do it in the first place. if they do it to the point where they're physically addicted, theyre fuckin idiots and dont deserve to have taxpayers money spent on 'proper' rehab. its their problem, not ours.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: red macca on Monday, November 13, 2006, 22:49:51
Quote from: "stfc_carver"
why should they be given proper rehab? someone please explain. its illeagal to do it in the first place. if they do it to the point where they're physically addicted, theyre fuckin idiots and dont deserve to have taxpayers money spent on 'proper' rehab. its their problem, not ours.
it becomes societys problem though doesnt it.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 13, 2006, 22:57:01
Quote from: "stfc_carver"
why should they be given proper rehab? someone please explain. its illeagal to do it in the first place. if they do it to the point where they're physically addicted, theyre fuckin idiots and dont deserve to have taxpayers money spent on 'proper' rehab. its their problem, not ours.


because it's better off for society that they're clean when they get out.

chances are if they don't stay clean, they'll end up going straight back in anyway.

at least if you try and get them clean and sober, they might lead a worthwhile life.

macca's bang on.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 06:15:39
Quote from: "sonic youth"
Quote from: "stfc_carver"
why should they be given proper rehab? someone please explain. its illeagal to do it in the first place. if they do it to the point where they're physically addicted, theyre fuckin idiots and dont deserve to have taxpayers money spent on 'proper' rehab. its their problem, not ours.


because it's better off for society that they're clean when they get out.

chances are if they don't stay clean, they'll end up going straight back in anyway.

at least if you try and get them clean and sober, they might lead a worthwhile life.

macca's bang on.


Surely you're less likely to go back to drugs if you suffered during withdrawl?
If they went cold turkey in prison, they'd still be clean when they came out.

But they would've have suffered a bit.

Good..............


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: Spencer_White on Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 08:01:37
This countries drug policy is a complete failure and an utter shambles.

What a joke.


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: lumpimynci on Thursday, November 16, 2006, 08:41:32
It's worth bearing a few things in mind:

1. A proportion of the prisoners that brought this case were on remand, so hadn't been tried and convicted of anything

2. If cold turkey was an effective route to coming off smack, don't you think a few drug treatment programmes would use it?

3. The self rightous codemnation of anyone that's ever committed a criminal offence is a bit rich coming from a forum where I'd guess about 80-85% of us have admitted to some sort of criminal act at some time over the last year or two. Drug references abound, drink driving, criminal damage, reckless driving, assault, histories of football hooliganism etc. etc. etc. It's all in these threads if you go back a bit, (most of them in the last one posted by Walrus!).

4. All the law says is that prisoners are entitled to the same medical treatment as the rest of the population. It's hardly wooly liberalism it's one of the bare minimum standards you'd expect from a civilised country with a reasonable human rights record. Drug treatment falls into the area of medical treatment and so legally these fellahs are entitled to get the same kind of methadone programme as someone voluntarily entering treatment on the outside.  The governments coughed the cash because they knew they'd lose if it went to court.

5. By coincidence I watched the first of a new series of 30 days last night, with that Morgan Unspellable bloke that did Supersize me. If anyone else saw it, think about the two prisons he was in and which one was more likely release people onto the street that you wouldn't want to bump into on a dark night


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: red macca on Thursday, November 16, 2006, 08:48:26
cold turkey is the most effective way to get of heroin,all your points i agree with to a certain extent.the prison system is a joke though ffs they asked me if i wanted to go on the drug free wing.i said well surely they should all be fucking drug free :?


Title: Fucking crazy..what's this place coming to?
Post by: quinnismyhero on Thursday, November 16, 2006, 08:57:29
Quote from: "lumpimynci"
It's worth bearing a few things in mind:

1. A proportion of the prisoners that brought this case were on remand, so hadn't been tried and convicted of anything

2. If cold turkey was an effective route to coming off smack, don't you think a few drug treatment programmes would use it?

3. The self rightous codemnation of anyone that's ever committed a criminal offence is a bit rich coming from a forum where I'd guess about 80-85% of us have admitted to some sort of criminal act at some time over the last year or two. Drug references abound, drink driving, criminal damage, reckless driving, assault, histories of football hooliganism etc. etc. etc. It's all in these threads if you go back a bit, (most of them in the last one posted by Walrus!).

4. All the law says is that prisoners are entitled to the same medical treatment as the rest of the population. It's hardly wooly liberalism it's one of the bare minimum standards you'd expect from a civilised country with a reasonable human rights record. Drug treatment falls into the area of medical treatment and so legally these fellahs are entitled to get the same kind of methadone programme as someone voluntarily entering treatment on the outside.  The governments coughed the cash because they knew they'd lose if it went to court.

5. By coincidence I watched the first of a new series of 30 days last night, with that Morgan Unspellable bloke that did Supersize me. If anyone else saw it, think about the two prisons he was in and which one was more likely release people onto the street that you wouldn't want to bump into on a dark night


Agreed 100%!  No sense throwing good money after bad