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Sentenced to death by hanging for crimes against humanity, earlier today.

Right or wrong? Discuss

Personally, i think it was the right decision. SH was already a martyr for his extreme followers anyway, had he been given either a death sentance or jail-term. Think they should have gone with firing squad though, so they could start with the kneecaps and work their way from there....

Don't agree with the death penalty at all. All criminals should be made to work for the good of society

Not even in this extreme case? What would you have hadhim doing in the community? A Boy George? (Not having a go, just curious)

He could help build some walls or something. I don't know. Better than killing him - what good is he dead? And how would that make his executors any better than him?

He's a bit old to be doing that i think.

The executors are killing one person, compared with x amount SH has killed (probably millions, who knows?)

but over time...

however he will become a martyr to the sunnis, not good.

If he's too old to build walls, he could teach kids in the community to read.

Who ever takes someones life, should have their life taken away.

wouldnt have sentenced him to death .. just left him in a room for 5 mins full of relations of the people he had killed !  :twisted:

Derek Bentley wins the case for me, he should never have been hung.  If one innocent man is killed in error it's one too many for me.  I'd rather they rot in jail, a proper jail 18th century styley.

No to the death penalty.

I would have made him suffer in jail.

I bet you would Ralphy, you queer bastard!!

You know it.

I feel sorry for him for some reason. Yes he's a cunt, and yes he's killed lots, or so we're told, but he was just going about his business till Bush decided they needed oil.

They go into his country on false grounds, destroy the country, it's system of government (as token as it was), seize the oil, kill loads of the country's people, kill loads of yanks and brits and then kill him.

We now have an unstable country with a volatile population, loads of dead country men and no way out, at least without making ourselves look like the cunts we are.

Bush has made millions personally, the US has made millions, we have probably made a fair wack and the people there are arguably worse off.

It's a classic case of the bigger people fucking the small and dressing it up as "doing the right thing".

I'd love to see figures showing how many people have been killed per year, pre-war and how many since the "war on terror  (:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:)" has begun .

usually i'm fully against the death penalty, but in this case, i just don't know why they bothered going to trial in the first place, and giving him an opportunity to have a public platform before he gets executed - since everyone knows he is guilty of all sorts of atrocities and everyone knows he would be executed in the end.  

If he had 'tried to escape' when they first found him, they could have topped the sick fuck there and then and saved the time and cost of sending him to trial - not to mention the lives of the judges and lawers that got blown up in the process.

I personally feel that he does deserves it. I can't help but think back and watching some disturbing footage on tv,where he got some of his men to lead innocent people and children into a trench and then shoot them.Its discusting.The man is an animal and deserves to go through every single thing that those poor people went through.He does not deserve to be alive......I'm against the argument 'if they do that to him,that just makes them as bad as him'.....this man deserves it.He's sick.

Despite what i've typed above, you're both completely right. He does deserve to die, i think we just went about it the wrong way.

It's not necessarily about that though.  It whether when it comes down to it we as individuals, whether in a position of power or not, should have the authority to say when we should kill someone, because that's what we're effectively doing.

What is disturbing is when politicians come out after the news almost rejoicing at the news of a man's death sentence.

I'm in some agreement with Barry, and I'm not entirely sure capital punishment is good for 'normal criminals', but in this case I think it's for the best, the fear of martydom is there, but if you commit crimes in a country, you're leaving yourself at the will of that country's legal system.

Doing work for the good of the community?  What exactly could this decrepid, civilisation-hating old man possibly offer for the community?  He's too old for physical labour, and he's hardly going to be cooperative is he?

I'd have slung him in a fucking hole of a jail to see out his days there, but then this costs money.  Maybe killing him is the easiest way.

I don't see how we can say it is fair when as a nation we abolished the death penalty.

Granted, he was a cunt, and probably still is. More importantly, I can't believe they let him dye his hair when he was in prison!

agreed.

there's no doubt saddam deserves to be strung up for his crimes, but it's just going to make him a martyr and will trigger more violence. however, if he had been locked away for the rest of his natrual life then he couldn't be made into a martyr and frankly it'd be thoroughly humiliating him.

death is the easy way out for him. no point leaving him in a cell to "dwell" on what he's done because he's not going to feel any remorse but there was no other option really, given the number of people he killed.

i was surprised to read earlier that he was sentenced to death for murder and given ten years each for use of torture and enforced deportation respectively - that's fuck all!

the trial wasn't exactly fair and i believe some human rights were breached, but hey, genocidal dictators pretty much forfeit them when they start murdering people.

I'd rather be a sunni than a shite.

fuck him let him rot hang the hindu wanker.no matter what the outcome of this had been he would of ended up a martyre he could of ended up dying of flu and they would of worshipped him still

He should have been shot the first time around when he was in sniper range of one of our finest! The yanks bottled it and wouldnt give the nod.
Yes he should die, and i hope it is long and painfull. If it were down to me, i would let mosad play with him for a little while first.

To those of you who DO NOT think Soddem should be topped, what the fuck do we do with Bin-Laden then if we ever get our mitts on him? Happy slap him and then send him back to Tora Bora?
Oh and by the way, you CAN still hang in this country for high treason if im not mistaken, and in my mind Soddem HAS commited high treason against his own people.
Let the fucker swing!

Millom

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He's escaped :mrgreen:

You are mistaken sir.  That punishment was abolished in 1998 (the year of the Calderwood man marking Ronaldo out of the opening match of the world cup) I do believe.

I thought it was abolished in the 70'. Either way you can't be hanged.

edit: no you were right, high treason at time of war was 1998.

I don't agree with the death penalty because it clogs up the courts. Seems to me the person killing the convicted is a killer themselves. Fucked up morals if you ask me. Unless they're executing blacks or jews of course.

I rather witness a good stoning to be honest, Life of Brian stylee. But if they have to hang him, so be it.

Bet it'll be on Pay Per View  :?

The problem here is taht it'll be perceived as "victor's justice" and therefore revenge no matter how he is tried.

If (and its an almighty if) we gave the Iraqis anything from this fuck-up, it was a chance to deal with Saddam as they see fit.

I personally think its nothing to be proud of, nor worth all the lives lost.

I'm sure you are wrong janaage.
I beleive the actual description is "a crime against the person of the monarch" ie if you DO the queen! It might have been binned in Scotland but i'm sure that in England, it still applies.

Cheers,

Millom

Millom, not trying to be argumentative fella but in last Sunday's Independant was an article about capital punishment, gave details of interesting facts about hangings etc.  

In said article it stated that in 1998 hanging was finally formally ended in Britain as the last crime that you could be killed for "hanging for treason" or whatever you wanna call it was abolished.  Didn't mention the bitch from london.  But they did say that there was nothing you could do in the uk that you could be legally hung for.

I didn't realise until I read it, as I love the Independant I'm sticking to what they say.

Are there any women here???

You are right janaage, just checked the law society site and indeed it was abolished in 1998, however, crimes against the monarchy can still be punished by hanging on the isle of mann, and the channel islands at the discretion of the govmt so long as said govmt's are in agreement.

Good debate tho! :wink:

Millom

Read bit's of this thread and thought I'd throw my 2 pence coin with rocky on the heads side into the ring.

There's a few things about post and pre war iraq that I guess most people know, however bad Saddam Hussein was, the majority of iraqi's are worse of now than they werer before. Mr. Hussein hadn't commited any major atrocities that we know about whilst the weapon inspectors were still there pre-war.

Not that any of that really matters. He had been a bit of a cunt before all that. But if the iraqi's want to start again and put the past behind them, is hanging the former leader a good place to start, probably not.

Of course it doesn't really matter. We've backed up the American's going in there and  the effort to install democracy, the problem being that they weren't aloud to vote for the wrong people. Oh dear.

I'm completely talking random shit now and have forgotten my point, I'm sure it was good though.

Not sure if Americas version of Democracy is much of an improvement for most Iraqis............

Whatever your views on Saddam (Mine are that he was a power mad, genocidal maniac) you're missing the point.

Hanging may not be part of the legal system here, but whats that got to do with it?

He was sentenced in an Iraqi court. I would imagine the legal system over there is somewhat harsher than ours, so to try and evaluate whether it is just or not, without first putting it into the context of their punishments, is foolish.

If the death penalty is used over there (And it is) Sentencing a man who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people (No, not Bush and Blair) to a life sentence would not make any sense to the Iraqis.

Also remember the death penalty is still alive and kicking (no pun intended) in the one remaining world superpower. Including Ohio, where I live  :shock: