Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Arriba on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 13:11:54 everyone has got carried away with the fella but i'm a little concerned if he is the man for us.
after reading his comments i have taken it that he sees us as an opportunity to manage over here and is using the fact that he played here for a while as reason to apply. does he have a lack of knowledge of lower league footy over here? does he have contacts over here for players to bring in? what has he actually acheived in management at a good level and not as an assistant? basement league footy in holland is not something i'm up on but if he were that great surely he would have a better job in his home country? i think he is worthy of an interview but i am a little worried if truth be told that he is the right manager for stfc Title: Re: nijholt reservations Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 13:15:28 Quote from: "arriba" everyone has got carried away with the fella but i'm a little concerned if he is the man for us. after reading his comments i have taken it that he sees us as an opportunity to manage over here and is using the fact that he played here for a while as reason to apply. does he have a lack of knowledge of lower league footy over here? Yes does he have contacts over here for players to bring in? Yes what has he actually acheived in management at a good level and not as an assistant? What did Wise achieve? basement league footy in holland is not something i'm up on but if he were that great surely he would have a better job in his home country? He's probably not a disloyal bastard unlike Wise i think he is worthy of an interview but i am a little worried if truth be told that he is the right manager for stfc I hope that answers your questions. Although truth be told I share the same concerns. But let's not get carried away, he hasn't been appointed yet.[/b] Title: Re: nijholt reservations Post by: mr ian on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 13:21:20 Quote from: "arriba" everyone has got carried away with the fella but i'm a little concern if he is the man for us. after reading his comments i have taken it that he sees us as an opportunity to manage over here and is using the fact that he played here for a while as reason to apply. does he have a lack of knowledge of lower league footy over here? does he have contacts over here for players to bring in? what has he actually acheived in management at a good level and not as an assistant? basement league footy in holland is not something i'm up on but if he were that great surely he would have a better job in his home country i think he is worthy of an interview but i am a little worried if truth be told that he is the right manager for stfc. i likey this game Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 13:32:10 I think Arriba's reservations are valid to an extent.
However Of all the 'cheap option' names banded around the same questions could be said of them. In fact some of them have failed at a lower level. At least the man is managing a team and doing rather well at it. My choice remains Sturrock (if committed to the STFC cause), then Nijholt. Title: nijholt reservations Post by: McLovin on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 14:29:27 Not to mention he'd be a hell of a better choice than Macari
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Spud on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 15:00:20 My first choice is still Sturrock, he's done it with Plymouth at this level and although rolling back the years with Nijholt would be ace im not sure he would be the right choice considering we need to keep on the winning track.
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: kaufman on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 15:06:21 Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" My first choice is still Surrock, he's done it with Plymouth at this level and although rolling back the years with Nijholt would be ace im not sure he would be the right choice considering we need to keep on the winning track. :agree: Title: Re: nijholt reservations Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 17:09:34 Quote from: "arriba" after reading his comments i have taken it that he sees us as an opportunity to manage over here and is using the fact that he played here for a while as reason to apply. i'm sure with his history, he could have applied to any number of other clubs over here - obviously he's seen what's unravelled at the club and chosen to apply. perhaps he is using us as a stepping stone, but it's not as though sturrock et al wouldn't be. Quote from: "arriba" does he have a lack of knowledge of lower league footy over here? did wise? does macari? Quote from: "arriba" does he have contacts over here for players to bring in? he's not likely to be bringing many players in so will have time to build up contacts. i'm sure he knows people around the uk as he also played up in scotland. Quote from: "arriba" what has he actually acheived in management at a good level and not as an assistant? he's taken stormvogels telstar - a tiny club by all accounts - to third position in the second tier of dutch football, their equivalent of our championship. i suppose the equivalent of that in the english leagues would be rushden & diamonds pushing for promotion to the premiership. of course, you shouln't dismiss his achievements as an assistant and a coach because they are numerous and notable achievements. what's bodin achieved? Quote from: "arriba" basement league footy in holland is not something i'm up on but if he were that great surely he would have a better job in his home country? telstar is his first managerial appointment and he's not been there for very long i believe - if there aren't the opportunity there for him, he isn't going to get them. if macari's such a great manager, why is he still out of work? Quote from: "arriba" i think he is worthy of an interview but i am a little worried if truth be told that he is the right manager for stfc he'd be a better appointment than lou macari who probably knows zero about football away from old trafford nowadays. Title: Re: nijholt reservations Post by: Arriba on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:01:03 Quote from: "sonic youth" Quote from: "arriba" after reading his comments i have taken it that he sees us as an opportunity to manage over here and is using the fact that he played here for a while as reason to apply. i'm sure with his history, he could have applied to any number of other clubs over here - obviously he's seen what's unravelled at the club and chosen to apply. perhaps he is using us as a stepping stone, but it's not as though sturrock et al wouldn't be. Quote from: "arriba" does he have a lack of knowledge of lower league footy over here? did wise? does macari? Quote from: "arriba" does he have contacts over here for players to bring in? he's not likely to be bringing many players in so will have time to build up contacts. i'm sure he knows people around the uk as he also played up in scotland. Quote from: "arriba" what has he actually acheived in management at a good level and not as an assistant? he's taken stormvogels telstar - a tiny club by all accounts - to third position in the second tier of dutch football, their equivalent of our championship. i suppose the equivalent of that in the english leagues would be rushden & diamonds pushing for promotion to the premiership. of course, you shouln't dismiss his achievements as an assistant and a coach because they are numerous and notable achievements. what's bodin achieved? Quote from: "arriba" basement league footy in holland is not something i'm up on but if he were that great surely he would have a better job in his home country? telstar is his first managerial appointment and he's not been there for very long i believe - if there aren't the opportunity there for him, he isn't going to get them. if macari's such a great manager, why is he still out of work? Quote from: "arriba" i think he is worthy of an interview but i am a little worried if truth be told that he is the right manager for stfc he'd be a better appointment than lou macari who probably knows zero about football away from old trafford nowadays. all a matter of opinon sonic. guess you want him in then Title: nijholt reservations Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:07:24 you're a genius!
Title: Re: nijholt reservations Post by: DV on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:08:49 Quote from: "arriba" does he have a lack of knowledge of lower league footy over here? Probably, but everyone said the same about Wise. What does it matter if he knows nothing, he if can get the team playing good football and winning games thats all that matters. If he is a good solid coach then he will get results regardless of whether he has been to Barent before Quote does he have contacts over here for players to bring in? no, but he probably has some good ones in Holland Quote what has he actually acheived in management at a good level and not as an assistant? Many youth championships....and as sonic has said he has a little club punching well above their weight Quote i think he is worthy of an interview but i am a little worried if truth be told that he is the right manager for stfc A young, fresh, determined coach who has all the qualifications going, has managed for years at various levels and has a track record of doing well and has a very good reputation in Holland. I can see why you think he isnt the right man! Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Red Chris on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:14:25 Nijholt looks like a paedophile. Even more so in the pic of his celebration after scoring against United, he is seen clearly demonstrating what he likes to do to small black children!
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Sippo on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:16:15 I'd rather have someone who has experience of lower divisions in England than one who has experience abroad.
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: DV on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:22:54 ffs doesnt matter what leagues you know, if you're a good coach you're a good coach
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:28:11 Whilst I do think there are two sides of the coin to this, I would rather have a decent coach atm, rather than a big name that will rock the boat too much.
This team, under a good coach (that is not tactically brilliant) has shown signs of going up. One word that Wise may be leaving, then the Power departure has cost our form dear. We need that togetherness that Wise brought to the squad, regardless of the off field shananigans. Title: nijholt reservations Post by: The Professor on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:31:11 The problem with all this is that even after you've scrutinised candidate's previous records, as players and as coaches or managers you're still taking a risk in any appointment.
For example, Sturrock was a pretty good player & achieved International caps for Scotland. As a manager he has obtained promotions at Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday & both clubs were better after he'd left than they were when he joined. His credentials therefore are impressive and even his short tenure at Southampton doesn't detract from them. His appointment would appear to be the surest option for success but it's still a risk. Haven't we all seen managers appointed previously at Swindon who, for various reasons have not cut the mustard. Just think back to Jimmy Quinn, John Gorman or Steve McMahon. Nice guys (well, with the exception of McMahon maybe), knew their football but didn't bring what we all desire - success in the long term of our beloved Swindon Town. Title: nijholt reservations Post by: yeo on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:34:08 I agree with Arriba he makes some valid points..i dont want Macari though its never good to go back on things.
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: The_Plagiarist on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:34:50 Who the hell is 'Sturrage'.
How can anybody make a decision on Luc Nijholt when nobody knows anything about his credentials. These people who think that by employing an ex-player as manager without bothering to wonder about his suitability for the job does my head in. The only criteria should be "THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB' - that may well be Nijholt but not just because he used to play for us. Title: nijholt reservations Post by: yeo on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:37:32 yup I agree wuith plague boy.
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Amir on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:44:23 Quote How can anybody make a decision on Luc Nijholt when nobody knows anything about his credentials. These people who think that by employing an ex-player as manager without bothering to wonder about his suitability for the job does my head in. To be honest I think it's Nijholt's credentials that have got people excited about his possible appointment, and they've been discussed at length already on here. Views on his achievements/coaching badges/contacts/lower league knowledge are all subjective, but to suggest that people want him in simply because he's an ex-player is a bit blinkered mate. Title: nijholt reservations Post by: Red Chris on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:45:54 I think Pook could do a good job as player manager, I think he is the underdog that every Town fan is afraid of rooting for publically. Pook could really bring a new dimension to the club and take us back to the premiership with his elite work ethic and positive attitude, take it y'all thinking the same as!? 8)
Title: nijholt reservations Post by: The_Plagiarist on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 18:50:02 I think Nijholt would be the best option because if successful he is more likely to hang around for several years and keep the good work up. If successful Sturrage would jump ship to a bigger club ASAP [ala Wise].
My only worry is, why is Nijholt interested now, when the job was available several months ago and his name was not in the 'pot' then? Is this because Wise was the only man considered at that time? Title: nijholt reservations Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 2, 2006, 19:45:06 Quote from: "The_Plagiarist" I think Nijholt would be the best option because if successful he is more likely to hang around for several years and keep the good work up. If successful Sturrage would jump ship to a bigger club ASAP [ala Wise]. My only worry is, why is Nijholt interested now, when the job was available several months ago and his name was not in the 'pot' then? Is this because Wise was the only man considered at that time? Yes Title: nijholt reservations Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, November 3, 2006, 08:38:32 Quote from: "The_Plagiarist" I think Nijholt would be the best option because if successful he is more likely to hang around for several years and keep the good work up. If successful Sturrage would jump ship to a bigger club ASAP [ala Wise]. My only worry is, why is Nijholt interested now, when the job was available several months ago and his name was not in the 'pot' then? Is this because Wise was the only man considered at that time? Completely disagree Sturrock has shown good loyalty throughout his career spending good amounts of time with Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday, the Southampton job he got stitched up on so I would say hes nothing like Wise, I reckon if he came here to do a job he would be here for at least 2 years. Title: nijholt reservations Post by: mr ian on Friday, November 3, 2006, 10:09:39 Quote from: "stfctownenda" Quote from: "The_Plagiarist" I think Nijholt would be the best option because if successful he is more likely to hang around for several years and keep the good work up. If successful Sturrage would jump ship to a bigger club ASAP [ala Wise]. My only worry is, why is Nijholt interested now, when the job was available several months ago and his name was not in the 'pot' then? Is this because Wise was the only man considered at that time? Completely disagree Sturrock has shown good loyalty throughout his career spending good amounts of time with Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday, the Southampton job he got stitched up on so I would say hes nothing like Wise, I reckon if he came here to do a job he would be here for at least 2 years. unless we sack him first. but seriously its a good headache to have sturock/nijholt for a change Title: nijholt reservations Post by: sonic youth on Friday, November 3, 2006, 16:17:07 Quote from: "The_Plagiarist" Who the hell is 'Sturrage'. How can anybody make a decision on Luc Nijholt when nobody knows anything about his credentials. These people who think that by employing an ex-player as manager without bothering to wonder about his suitability for the job does my head in. The only criteria should be "THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB' - that may well be Nijholt but not just because he used to play for us. perhaps if you bothered to read the number of posts i've made regarding nijholt, you'll realise that i, as well as many others, are fully aware of his managerial and coaching credentials. the fact he's an ex-town player who i particularly liked is merely a bonus. sturrock on the other hand is the better option in terms of what he's achieved but there's no doubt he'd be off for a better job as soon as it came along, whereas nijholt would need to build up his reputation here first. |