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Whilst undoubtedly the statement issued today has been a dissapointment to both the fans and the trust, especially since our gratitude and respect to the Wills family was publicly endorsed in the minutes of last Wednesday's meeting, could I please urge you all to demonstrate a modicum of restraint on how we, the fan base respond to the the way that this has been thrown into the public domain.

At no time has the trust been disrespectful either in its comments, or its processes and we completely refuse to be drawn into a tit for tat scenario.

Sure, the minutes were issued for all to see, and quite rightly so........... just as the meeting was open for ANY interested party to attend.

The minutes were a truthful and actual version of what you, the fans wanted to levy and thats what we did. There was no fabrication or embroilment.

Whilst the consitution of the trust is founded, by nature on democracy, it is also democratic for fans to table thier opinions as they see fit.

Freedom of speech apart, we are also governed by laws that state we cannot simply issue carte blanche detrimental opinions about individuals or bodies of individuals without demonstarating facts to substantiate our claims.

Whilst we, the trust are on your side and share your pain and frustration, we need to be in a strong position of negotiation.

It is with this in mind and, trying to be a voice of reason, that I urge that we rise above any inclination to issue personal knee jerk reaction statements.

Rather, we should be discussing these issues privately, then be reliant on one body to respond in a constructive and calculated way.

Please dont take this as a rant.

Passion is absoloutly key to achieve what we the fans need. All I ask that we do it rationally and through one voice.

Cheers

Why should that "one voice" neccesarily be the Trust?

These forums are here as means of discussion, I can't take any credit for their creation or their upkeep but I don't believe in censoring people either. As you say, caution must be exercised with matters as delicate as they currently are but it's not to say that discussion shouldn't be allowed in the public domain. Otherwise, these forums would be even more pointless than usual.

More to the point - and this isn't intended as an insult - since when were you the mouthpiece for the Trust?

Ill pm you my response

If it's about what I wrote earlier then I'm sorry  :cry:

In all honesty I thought I'd added the word 'maybe' before what I said (or something similar to show it was an opinion) but in my haste to get dinner on the go I guess I didn't.

no problems si pi

no harm done

I have pm'd sonic ............... u want me to copy in on that ?

Gopher it.

To be fair Fred this isnt the Trust board as far as im concerened anyone can say anything they want as long as Dazzza/Whits dont get sent to prison.

Anyway, back to my original point - why should that one voice neccesarily be the Trust?

I think the majority of us are capable of expressing our own opinions in a perfectly capable and mature manner.

Whilst I accept that the Trust are in the best position to put these things into motion, I don't agree that they are the only channel through which we, as fans, can voice our opinions.

I witnessed some backbiting between two supporters' groups at the weekend which makes me feel rather bitter. If ever there was a time to be united, it's now.

The thing is what I said would be highly subjective in court anyway as fiduciary duties are hard to ascertain. I was basing that argument wholey on that one statement (which I made clear) and also made an argument which shows what I would personally constitute as a reasonable person's actions given the appropriate postition of power.

In my opinion I think it was a perfectly reasonable statement to make, but as one person obviously didn't interpret that way I guess others could which is why I changed it to better reflect the opinion I was trying to put across.

I agree sonic. I don't have anything against the trust. I haven't yet joined (but would consider it). My only issue is that my voice would get lost along the way, which would defeat the object for me.

To quote the T&C's when you sign up



The responsibilty is the posters to make sure the information is correct, i know what most of you look like, i'll quite happily point you out to the police.   :wink:

On a more serious note if anyone feels a post is libellous please pm me or one of the other mods and we'll look into it. As sonic said, we're not here to censor everything but if you feel something is not right then let us know.

Ace that means I can change your posts so that you say bad stuff and get you arrested  8)

PS I like small boys

:|

Where would they get our names and addresses from if something did get taken to court?

 :o

your ip address is a good start

If you have more than 1 person in your house how could they prove who did it?

I do have an answer

but have decided to withdraw for a while

 :wink:

Couldn't you delete the user completely before it got that far?

At the push of a button.  

Have you not got the magic powers as an admin to do that Si?

Anyway sorry to cause a fuss (it wasn't my intention). I personally feel I made clear that the statement was an opinion and not an expression of fact by stating "I think that".

Woop.

No, I'm just a lowly mod  :)

shit does that include polaroids of little girls shoes?

Chill si pi

I know it was posted with all good intent

No harm done mate !

have a beer or something

Should I Google "little girls shoes" at work? :?

go on....................do it !

No  :shock:

a cracking read

however rather disturbingly little girl fuck me boots :o

http://www.striderite.com/jump.jsp?itemID=45&itemType=CATEGORY&iMainCat=6&iSubCat=45

I didnt in the end the fear was to great.

FWIW, I'd echo most of what Fred said, but with a touch of agreeing with Sonic, in that the Trust is not the sole voice of the fans and nor have we claimed to be the sole voice of the fans. We do claim to speak for our members, first, and slightly more hesitantly for the broader fanbase, but we don't claim to be the sole voice and nor would we seek to be - it's not possible for one thing.

However, on the broader issue, we'd all benefit, club and fans, from some of the heat and venom being taken out of this - it's not doing anyone any favours. To quote from the deliberately brief statement we put out this evening "Our objective in forming a fans consortium is to harness this concern in a positive way for the benefit of the club" - that positive effort is where I intend to focus my effort in the near future. Those that agree with us in this effort, I'd urge to similarly focus their energies in a constructive fashion; those that don't are, of course, completely free to do so. But there is little to be gained, and much to be lost, from continued public slanging matches.

What I hope we can all agree on is that everyone's efforts should be focused on backing Dennis, Gus and the team 100%.

This is true. I heard that Rob Tuck and Paul Davis had a punch up in the CG car park after the match...  :shock:

Who won? My money's on Rob, but with Paul being a dirty scouser, i'm sure he threw some illegal moves in for good measure...  :wink:

There is no rift  :D

:soapy tit wank:

How far can I go before someone tries to sue me?

Would saying that the Wills family only listen to Diamandis or whatever his name is becauase he's got evidence that they've got a harem of black child slave prostitutes between the ages of 6 and 10 get me sued? would it?

Just like to add that none of that is true. Thankyou