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I think it is. Nearly every major war that has ever been fought has been done to religion and I reckon it should be outlawed.

i wouldn't go that far but i do believe religion is pointless

It has caused alot of wars over the years but then again lots of things have caused wars you can't just single that out.

Yeah you can world war two, the crusdaes the current "war on terrisom" are all to do with religion!

In fact I struggle to think of anything good that religion does. I know they do lots of work for the poor etc but their are plenty of charties out there that are not reliogion based. The cathiloic church has probably killed millions with it's anit condom stance which has only help increase the spread of HIV/Aids.

Religion gives people something to believe in, just like sport, music etc does. We all have to believe in something.

I'm an atheist, so i'm biased, but i agree.

Religion gives some hope and a reson for living but personally i think it's a load of shit and the root of all evil.

For years it has been used as a method of control. Do this and go to hell etc...

The Church is the second largest owner of land in the UK, or was, yet they ask for money and dress it up as a kind of first class ticket to heaven. Bollocks. Grow up, it's a fucking book which reads like a fucking tabloid.

Seriously, how can rational people believe it?

It's just an early form of extortion and control used to manipulate the sheep like masses for personal gain. It's just like the media, marriage, education, law, etc, nowadays.

Teach 'em young, they'll conform for life.

no but it may be the root

As a Catholic i have to disagree with all the shit you've mentioned above but...

What pisses me of about Athiets are

When they die, they still expect some kind of funeral or cermony usually performed by a priest.  If they dont believe in an after life, then why should they be buried at all, or why not just get your best mate to perform a cermony in your name

They usually get married in a Church with the blessing made by a priest.  Again whats the point in being Married by a priest in a Church if you dont believe in the religious message behind a wedding.  Again you may as well not get married at all, or get your local bar man to do it for yo


They usually have their kids bapised in the name of God  -  just in case Heaven and Hell really do exist - meaning they child has a chance of going to Heaven i it does exist

Religion isn't the root of all evil - people are  FACT.

Damn this is deep, my brain hurts.

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in an answer to your question no. just dumb fucking ignorance leads to war, get educated world.

I agree with Barry Scott wholeheartedly.

I agree (even with your signature :beers: ), but the only thing to question is the marriage thing, you're right in terms of having a civil ceremony instead, but not disregarding marriage entirely. My boss had 2 children with her now husband, but for the first 10/8 years of the children's lives, if anything happened to the mother, the father had no right to the children. There are some legalities that marriage brings.

How do you know this, do you know every atheist and what they get up to? Weddings and Funerals are held because it's the 'traditional' way to do things. I know plenty of people who have got married in a church but aren't particularly religious at all.

People are yes, but I think you'll find a large majority of conflict in the world has come from some sort of religious hate.

I personally think most religions are a load of bollocks. I'm not completely ignorant and do respect a person's right to believe in what they want to, I just find it hard to buy some of the crap that we are supposed to believe. There's so many faults with Christianity...

Hey, i'm a proper atheist, i depise the church. No chance of anything for me being done in a church or by any minister of religion. Ever.

Any child of mine will not be baptised. Should they want to be baptised when they are old enough, fine, but i won't force that shit on them.

People should be free to make their own decisions when they are old enough to make them and not have opinions forced upon them as truth, when, in my eyes, they are not.



I agree, religion is just a catalyst.





Just for the sake of the discussion, i would point out this is the kind of scare tactics used to induce people into following this dogma.

For years these things have been said in both the name of war (early Christian crusades where massive numbers were slain in the name of god), and in order to install fear and create a delightfully malleable population.

I was never christened. What does this mean for the future? Can i have a funeral or get married?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M-F-X1DGAQ

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I'm pretty sure WWII came about because Hitler wanted more power, more land and more Germans. Nothing to do with religion.

Okay he killed millions of Jews along the way but without religion he would have gone the same way generally, it just made it easier for him.

The crusades and other religoius battles annoy me as an argument for this discussion. If these people acted on the words of the Bible Quran or whatever then they would not be going about killing people, so it is not really the fault of religion, it is people mis-using it

Hitler was driven by the desire for a perfect Aryan race as much as anything. Whether that's religious, political or simply plain fanatical is up to you.

Lot's have people have quoted you out already but Id like to make my own points (mainly cos I've had a bit to drink, go you 59p ciders).

number 1. if you want some sort of ceromony done by a priest then you ain't an athiest. Of course it get's a bit different when your family organises something for you after your dead, but meh, it's not your fault then.

I haven't got any statistics but the normal getting married in a church thing is mainly due to a) churches needing money and b) sttill a good chance that one out of 2 of the partners maybe religious.

As other people have said, I wan't baptised, christened or hindued.

I'd agree on your last point to an extent. It's not religion which is evil, it's organised religion. Surely faith is enough? why does there need to be a hierarchical belief structure based upon it? Jesus never killed anybody, but the catholic church has/did/still does.

and to be fair it doesn't really matter about juesus and shit anymore. More people go to mosque every week than church - be it catholic or protestant or both. Islam is better anyway.

Ah but Catholics get given Wine dont they? where as Muslims cant drink at all....

I think you'll find that the a real athiest would probably choose to get married in a registry officer, where you're legally not allowed to mention God (even the music you play can't be religious).

Its also perfectly normal now to have a humanist funeral, which is a ceremony to mark the fact you've died rather than any means of accessing the afterlife.

I had my kids christened despite not being religious myself, not because I want my kids to have access to heaven on the off chance I'm wrong, but because I wanted them to have the option to hear everything that the church has to say and then make up their own minds (its much easier to opt out of religion as an adult than it is to decide to opt in).

As for religion being the root of all evil, I can't agree. Religion is twisted to meet political aims of individuals and groups, most religions are actually pretty hippyish. Jesus would have been more liekly to have been a vegetarian, CND supporter than leading a crusade imho.

As for the communion wine, its rank!

Glad to see that so many of the people on this forum have a sensible view with regard the utter bullshit that is religion.

With regrd to the comments made by StefPol (who seems to be the only person to have respond sticking up for the bullshit) I really hope that Heaven does exsit and that you get let in otherwise all the effort you put into supporting a faith that has:

casued 100's of years of misery been directly responible for the deaths of millions, destoryed countless pice of art, held back the human race by denying scince, is resspobile for allowing beasts to have thier horriblew way with 1000 of children across the world, has robbed the uk of millions and general done all it can to ensure it's conutine power, will be a complete waste of time. goodluck and as you can never complie with all the rules in the bible as they contrdick each other countless time I will see you in hell ha ha ha :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

It is true that down the years religious organisations have repressed actions and tried to control the people. But then that's what the government do these days.

I don't think religion is the sole reason wars are started (in fact it often comes as a resulting reason). The whole point in religion is (as far as I'm aware) to better ones self by not committing sins. How is not starting a war a sin?

But the war between Scientologists and Church of Latter Day Saints could prove me wrong.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: What does tradition actually mean though? Very little I reckon. If we stuck by traditions we'd never get anywhere; unless you're religious (or non-atheist, perhaps) I can't see why you'd want to get married in a church and jabber all that God shite which you don't even believe in.amen to that brother.says who!? little baby jesus would let anyone join his clan at anytime, no?


back to the War stuff, I'd be interested to know how many conflicts began as a result of £££ issues - quite a few i reckon.

I think religion is a load of bollocks. but that's just my opinion, i don't object to people going to church etc. what does annoy me is when religios try and force it upon you. one of my best mates is a christian, goes to church most weeks. but he respects my view and doesn't mind that i think its a load of bollocks.

what annoys me most the the catholic/protestant situation in Ireland. 2 sets of people how basically believe in the same thing. just slight variations on the same religion. and they fight over it? someone please explain this.

As for outlawing religion. what a stupid idea, it would cause more trouble than its worth.

And on the marriage situation, neither of my folks are religious, they still got married in a church though. Churches tend to be more picturesque (spelling?) than a registary office, also my mother is quite traditional, thus wanting the traditional wedding (in a church).

It's likely that if the Treaty of Verseille (sp) hadn't have been so harsh on the german people post WWI, there wouldn't have been a Nazi rise to power in the 30's.  Other factors pushed the world along the road to war at that time but religion wasn't necessarily the greatest factor.

It seems nowadays that religion is used as an excuse to go to war when, like OF says, money may be the prime reason i.e. war in Iraq.

Religion is not the root of all evil, just people's fanatical beliefs.



I totally agree with this. My dad was intruiged as to where Muslims actually get their beliefs from and if their religion is actually as fanatical as it's made out to be, so he read the Quran. No where in the Quran does it say 'kill all Westerners for they are the scum of the earth'. It's basically just a never ending fucking story just like the Bible. You just get one Muslim who takes a different view on the Quran, who then spreads his belief to other Muslims and the whole 'kill all Westerners' idea is widely believed.

Therefore, I believe, individuals fanatical beliefs are the root of all evil.

I believe Sandy Gray is the route of all evil.

The Ireland situation stems from the colonisation by the English and the repression of the traditional catholic religion in favour of the Church of Ireland. Of course there are many other things that happened along the way but basically us English fucked the Irish over like we did a lot of people.

I believe in marriage etc as I wouldnt want a child out of wedlock.  I dont go to church but would accept a wedding in a church.

Personally I believe when I was born a date of death was already set.  If there was  agod there would be no cancer or deaths.

Yes there would, to help make that date come around.

Not that I believe in God, but I can't agree with that.

If you said 'if there was no devil there would be no cancer or deaths' then it would make more sense.

But if no deaths occured then the world would cease to exist. A God would know this and so could not allow this to happen as everything that a God created would be destroyed. The theory of greatest good for least harm even springs to mind.

Finally, I don't think a God would have to be merciful and ever good. After all us humans aren't.

Religion. always a good subject to start a fight about.

personally, i am very sceptical. I don't agree with this 'oh if there was a god then bad things will never happen' cos thats just bollox.
but then so is a lot of the bible.

What i don't get about religion is how 90% of religions all sing from the same hymm sheet yet sing different words???!!!
i.e. they believe different things with regard to whats writen.

if there is only one god and the bible is the book of god then why isn't there only one religion

reason is because people only believe what they want to believe

Has anybody ever tried reading the bible? I got as far as the one after exodus before I got bored. It's name sound like Lithuania.

I've tried, not sure how any intelligent person can believe in both the Old and New Testaments at the same time.

The Koran is pretty boring, but then in Arabic it flows like poetry, and it was most certainly written for it's time and place, the same as most religious scripts seem to be.

If you live your life as well as you can, trying your best not to harm others, and at the end of it there is God telling you that you are a sinner because you did not believe in him or a certain path, then God my friends, is a cunt.

I decided a while back that if I go to hell then so will most of the interesting people.

The thing I find interesting about the whole satan thing is that if you take the bible as truth then you have to accept that it's one side's point of view. Maybe Lucifer just thought he could fun things a bit better, and who's to argue? Why are god's above democracy? I've been voting for Ra the mighty sun god for a while now, although only in my head but I hope he apreciates it.

Back on my earlier point, It's a shame that satanists tend to be a load of fat geeky sonic  like goth kids otherwise they might have a point.

All Satan did wrong was to fail to prostrate himself in front of God, and what sort of all loving God would make his angels do that?  Satan's had a bad press.

I'm more interested in The Dead Sea Scrolls, one of them picturing Jesus as a naughty little shit.  Maybe that's why he favoured redemption for the sinners?

If we are all God's children, what makes Jesus so fucking special?

too deep!!!!!  personally releigion si bollox, i believe in asher religion, you can tell me im worng but its my opinion, ha ha ha

what i dont get and fail to understand is this whole 'if god exists then there should be no sickness and death' rubbish and the when something bad happens something good will counteract it to even the balance of existence crap.....

I'm no bible basher, I believe in the right to not have a specific belief with the facts given to me.....which if there is in fact a god i'm sure he will understand given that he has hardly made it easy to decide....

Either way, back to the point....if it means that if there is in fact a God and there IS obviously death and new life (a circle of life) that this means everytime something bad happens, something else good happens to balance this out??? surely this is flawed???

One of my friends used to believe this which makes no sense at all to me cause that spells......kill lots of people and loads more will be born.....send one to hell and another will go to heaven?!?!

Anyway getting really deep there....but i do believe in something, but i certainly dont believe in 'religion' as its so called, I find it to be just a set of rules (that arent even followed by its highest members) to guide our lives against those who believe in something else.....hence how many wars have started and rage on even today...

One other small point.......I have nothing against gay people, but if the bible specifically states that homosexuality is wrong....then how can there even be a debate or question about the christian church allowing gay priests????

What do you actually have to do to break the rules if sticking your dick and your middle finger up at the bible isnt good enough??

If i was ever to be religious it'd have to be a catholic..........do what you like, say your sorry .......and all is forgiven!! wahoo! whats the point! :twak:
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