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hmm i wonder what bad news will be coming out to accompany this wonderfully factually devoid piece of news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm

sigh

I guess most of the facts aren't public knowledge because MI5 don't want us to know yet. On the radio they say that no handbaggage will be allowed in the cabin (even mobile phones), it's all going in the hold.

If the threat is accurate they aren't taking any chances, rightly so. But I guess they aren't 100% sure the threat is over.

Sadly this kind of threat is now inevitable. It's questionable whether our foreign policy/war on terror has actully helped any. The world seems a much more unsafe place.

My day is going to be crap now because of this.

call me a cynic, but how is checking your bombs into the hold any better than taking them on board as hand luggage ?

Bombs can be in any solution though its just so they are screened thoroughly like a suitcase and treated with extra care.

The rules are a lot stricter regarding what items you are allowed on board, no liquids, electronic key fobs etc. bombs likely to be used in this kind of operation have to be manually activated and if all items are in the hold, they cannot be activated as easily or at all.

Does that mean no iPods, books, PSP's etc in-flight?

Yes, they are stupidly strict on this today. Even baby milk has to be tasted by the accompanying passenger.

you seem to know a lot about this, Lady !

it appears that the threat is from liquid of some sort and mothers even have to taste the milk in front of security..the only luggage allowed on the plane is keys (with no fob) money and an passport and tickets..20 people have been arrested and they are all british muslims.no doubt people will moan like fuck and think that there probably wasnt even anything planned but surely its better to be safe than sorry

We were circulated this this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778615.stm

I work for a Tour Operator unfortunately.

Not sure? Is the hold pressurised, maybe it is something to do with that?

Also they are betting that detanating the device required human interaction.  If the passenger physically can't get to the device to detanate it then it is safe.

stupidly or rightly so lady?

Rightly however some of the regulations on medication in liquid form is a bit pedantic. Ie. has to be verified etc.

i see what you mean.it all depends i suppose what they have discovered

well, i wouldn't be surprised if this was a complete over reaction to somthing entirely trivial, but i guess we'll find out soon.

Better safe than sorry though.

usually i would agree but 25 arrests suggest otherwise

because the last time we arrested someone, or shot someone, the information was properly accurate... but yes, you are right, better safe than sorry.

the one we shot last time desreved it shouldnt of ran on to a packed train should he

  should probably shoot all the people queing up at airports today too, i mean if today is particular for a threat they shouldn't be travelling should they ?

Just heard apparently Heathrow is shut until 2pm. Only servicing already airborne flights.

little bit different dont you think...work it out police with guns tell you to stop you run you decide to run onto a packed train days after the biggest terrorist attack ever in britain what the fuck should he have got a blow job??..think about it the other way IF (big if i know) he was a terrorist and the police DIDNT  shoot him what would they have said...should of shot him

agree with that, but thats not what you said - i was questioning your initial assessment that people running for packed trains deserve to get shot

ok

Don't think he was told to stop by the police though, macca.  They also said he vaulted the barrier at first, before admitting that also way untrue.  It was just a fuck up.

My nan thinks there was too much fuss made about the london bombings, and as someone who lived there through the blitz you have to respect her opinion really.  We do get kind of hysterical about the possibility of attacks in this country, although that's not to say there won't be others.

the vaulting the barrier bit was proved to be untrue yes.but the chase happened didnt it.now i have not allways been the most law abiiding citizen but fuck me if armed police were running after me i would fuckin stop thats for sure..agree we do get hysterical over here but our generation dont know any different and the fact that it is british muslims now doing this just adds to the hysteria

No, it didn't. There was no chase and no warning - that's the whole point, they just ran on the train and shot the guy. Which if you think you've got a genuine suicide bomber kind of makes sense - if you piss about shouting warnings, you just alarm them and give them chance to set off whatever they're carrying.

Personally I blame the fun pubs!

I expect someone had bought the fun game "pass the bomb"

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/landofbo/passthebomb.jpg

it may well be but you can't take the chance can you.

it's not just one persons life your playing with. it's hundreds/thousands up in the air who they were targeting

Considering the way most baggage handlers appear to handle the luggage on it's way to the hold I think we could be looking at this:

"mass accidental murder of baggage handlers on an unimaginable scale"

as the next headline..

OK  Explosives  in liquid form (nitro glycerine etc) are the most difficult to detect (xray machines will not pick it up) They will however pick up a detonator used ignite it.

Terrorist aren't stupid, they won't put the detonator and NG together prior to boarding as it will be detected (wires etc) so they sneak them on board seperately and assemble during the flight.

NG tastes bloody awful which is why they are making the passengers taste drinks they are taking on board - they won't allow liquid medicines because they can't force people to drink medicine (could prove a little controversial if my nan died of an overdose of liquid morphine)

Putting every in the hold makes perfect sense and is the most cost effective way of dealing with the problem...  Why?

Because most baggage handlers are illegal immigrants on low wages, we all know that our baggage is treated like shit when we check it in, NG is highly volatile so if it's in your baggage it will be detonated long before the plane takes off

forest hill didn't happen on a train you silly

sorry :(

It's put in the hold because 'intelligence' says that the bombs were going to be hand detonated (i.e. in the cabin) and need to be assembled in the toilet.

The police have stressed that it wouldn't have happened today but soon. The reason flights have been stopped because security measures haven't been put in place yet. This allows security to be brung up to a standard that can detect these bombs, at the moment it isn't good enough.

I'd probably prefer to risk it than not be able to take anything on a plane. I do like to live on the edge though.

Most people are blaming me for the attacks.

are you a ethnic then?

 I'm not Ralphy, just got back from Luton Airport....its fucking mad out there.

   :beers: in a while  for me to calm my fevered brow.

Well done MI5 for doing your fucking job

would you like any sugar to help you digestion?

True about the xray stuff, but liquid explosives don't require a detonator. After mixing they are triggered by (not a lot of) impact.

Which is worrying.

I have every faith in M15, know a women who used to work for them and what they know on every person is shocking.

These threats are now a way of life.

I'm from an ethnic minority yes. I support Swindon and live in Oxfordshire.

3 days without a cigarette and i'm annoyed at everything at present.  :wink:

sorry to hear that