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Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: kaufman on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:29:28
on the this is site they are saying he is a bit shite

i thought he was out best midfielder tonight and showed some great touches

thoughts?


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: DV on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:30:25
he was alright, showed some good touches...but still looks mega slow.

Not best midfield, that was probably Evans again.

Although Weston was better in the 2nd half


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:30:57
i think you're insane

he's not shite but evans was insanely good


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: kaufman on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:34:25
oh yeah forgot about evans.

whoops

just kept having knightmares about pook and weston as our midfield for the season and could not see past that :D

like weston but he needs to be used wisely


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:43:01
weston looked pretty good to me.i thought both our left sided players were a little dodgy but i aint gonna cast judgement on them yet.shakes apart from his goal was poor-average.evans did well and pook didn't really do to bad and delivered some decent dead balls but dont think he and weston should be the cetre mid pairing as they dont have the experience to do the job together.
evans should start with weston on saturday


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:49:40
it's easily evans and weston who should be the central midfield team. and hopefully evans can shout at monkey to try to get him to be a winger, and shakes to stop dropping off too much when their full back has the ball


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:50:12
Monky comes inside way too much. Don't know whether Wise has got them playing narrow, but he's leaving Vincent wide open at times.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:52:26
the whole team is too narrow, but i think that's how wise wants em to play. when we were defending throws on our left shakes was in the left third of the field. i know it should make us harder to break down but i think that's erring too much on the side of caution. it was the same all throughout pre season and especially at hartlepool.

we're massively narrow and our wingers don't close down..they back off


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Luci on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:56:29
Monkey I thought was one of the poorest players tonight!

Ifil was solid, Evans was attacking and fighting for the ball.......superb.....roberts looked like a different player to last season and Brownlies goal was just incredible.

Fantastic attendance too....


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: DV on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 21:58:27
Quote from: "arriba"
weston looked pretty good to me.i thought both our left sided players were a little dodgy but i aint gonna cast judgement on them yet.shakes apart from his goal was poor-average.evans did well and pook didn't really do to bad and delivered some decent dead balls but dont think he and weston should be the cetre mid pairing as they dont have the experience to do the job together.
evans should start with weston on saturday


Lets have your thoughts on Jerel Ferdinand then.... 8)


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:03:08
Quote from: "sam_stfc"
Monky comes inside way too much.


so do i and i have the kids to prove it :D


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:05:20
Quote from: "DV85"
Quote from: "arriba"
weston looked pretty good to me.i thought both our left sided players were a little dodgy but i aint gonna cast judgement on them yet.shakes apart from his goal was poor-average.evans did well and pook didn't really do to bad and delivered some decent dead balls but dont think he and weston should be the cetre mid pairing as they dont have the experience to do the job together.
evans should start with weston on saturday


Lets have your thoughts on Jerel Ferdinand then.... 8)


has improved on last season,some great headers and some timely challenges but i am still nervous of him.noted he gets sent forward now for set peices instead of standing on the half way line.dennis obviously likes him


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Northern Red on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:06:28
Monkey is the best option there at the moment, and not too bad, but could improve. He's an average player whos giving average performances at the moment.

Agree Evans should start, we've looked better each time he's come on...

Still not convinced about Weston, I'd start with Evans and Pook and use Weston as the impact substitute...


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:08:49
looked soooooooooo much better today and he passed to the guys in red for a change. You have to say pat on the back for Mr Wise.  8)


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: STFCBird on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:15:20
monkey did ok, but he gets pushed off the ball quite easily.  He ain't scared of going in for a good challenge though, that is what I like to see.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Johno on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:16:27
i thought he looked okay...he doesn't like running down the wing though, he always cuts inside which is bit annoying.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:17:08
that's only when he's close enough. i think the general consensus would be he doesn't look bothered enough or is rarely in the right position to make a challenge.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:18:33
what is he supposed to do exactly? :shrug:

I thought he was poor, with the occasional flash of quality.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:19:28
Described him as a languid Steve Mcmanaman style of player on the radio, sounds about right?


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: STFCBird on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:19:30
I am sure he will improve.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:20:19
Quote from: "dazzza"
Described him as a languid Steve Mcmanaman style of player on the radio, sounds about right?


yes, almost exactly right


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:20:57
on tonights evidence brown is better!


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:21:55
Quote from: "arriba"
on tonights evidence brown is better!


haha now that's just silly and trying to provoke people


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: red macca on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:26:13
Quote from: "arriba"
on tonights evidence brown is better!
browns not even in the squad now is he


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:31:06
Quote from: "bennett"
Quote from: "arriba"
on tonights evidence brown is better!


haha now that's just silly and trying to provoke people

not at all,monkhouses corners were shit and he did little in open play.if brown is still in the stfc squad he should be playing!


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:32:04
but he's not. so let's leave him to rot :D i agree monkey has been utter toss on the most part but i'd still rather have him than brown


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: red macca on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:33:55
we have won two games so i suppose we need a scapegoat dont we :?

brown dont wanna play so fuck him from what i have seen we have more of a problem on the right wing than we do on the left


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 22:44:12
Monkey did some good things and some pretty bloody average I thought...good with the ball at his feet and had decent close control - albeit he came inside (ahem) most of the time. He's certainly not a 'beat the full back' winger, to state the obvious

But his workrate wasn't up to much - he still got stuck in, but only if the play was near enough him to bother...

He's the best option for now, and I reckon we could get more out of him - Brown doens't seem interested, but I don't think we should discount David Stroud


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 23:25:02
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "sam_stfc"
Monky comes inside way too much.


so do i and i have the kids to prove it :D


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 23:28:34
I thought Monkhouse did well tonight. Did well with the ball at his feet, but lacks the distribution side of a quality winger. That can be improved however.
No one has really mentioned how well he won headers!? When a goal kick was taken or free kick inside our half, he would start out on the wing, then drift in to head it to Peacock or who ever was nearest him. Thought that was very intelligent play - Getting infront of the man at the last minute and all.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 23:57:26
Quote from: "bennett"
the whole team is too narrow, but i think that's how wise wants em to play. when we were defending throws on our left shakes was in the left third of the field. i know it should make us harder to break down but i think that's erring too much on the side of caution. it was the same all throughout pre season and especially at hartlepool.

we're massively narrow and our wingers don't close down..they back off


I wouldn't mind betting this is something that Wise has remembered from Wimbledon, maybe a tactic that worked so well for them lower down the leagues.  They used to press the ball onto the wing, so the right winger would come right into the middle when it was on the left.  The idea was to really press up the space around the players with the ball, knowing any cross field ball will take time in the air allowing the team to quickly filter over and cover it before it becomes dangerous.  I seem to remember Sky doing some analysis on it back in Kinnears time.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 00:57:28
We have a really narrow pitch don't we... Maybe that's why we play so narrow? Hartepool got the better of us down the wings on Saturday, I think width could become a problem when we play on bigger pitches.

We'll see.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 10:19:19
Didn't McMahon narrow the pitch when he was here to compress games...or was it Gorman that narrowed it and McMahon that widenend it again...something like that.

As much as I'd like to see free flowing, classic wing play, out wide isn't our strongest area so I doubt Wise & co would be up for a wider pitch


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 15:49:06
Quote from: "Tails"
We have a really narrow pitch don't we...


don't sit in the town end or stratton bank, but looking at the pitch from those angles it doesn't look that narrow in all honesty. i'd say it's about average


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 17:40:47
Quote from: "red macca"
we have won two games so i suppose we need a scapegoat dont we :?

brown dont wanna play so fuck him from what i have seen we have more of a problem on the right wing than we do on the left


just stated i think brown is a better player than monkhouse.
not making anyone a scapegoat.
long as we keep winning i dont care who plays


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: DV on Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 22:13:00
I believe we do have a narrow pitch, I think it may be one of the narrowest around...

Still think we're yet to see the best of Monkhouse....


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: McLovin on Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 22:15:27
No shit...


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: magnum150 on Thursday, August 10, 2006, 19:08:33
Quote from: "Northern Red"
Monkey is the best option there at the moment, and not too bad, but could improve. He's an average player whos giving average performances at the moment.

Agree Evans should start, we've looked better each time he's come on...

Still not convinced about Weston, I'd start with Evans and Pook and use Weston as the impact substitute...


I believe Monky is the only option for left midfield as Browner is not welcome. Who else could play there?


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: fatbury on Thursday, August 10, 2006, 19:13:15
Leave Monkey alone .. hes gonna get better yet .. u watch!


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: DV on Thursday, August 10, 2006, 19:34:25
Quote from: "magnum150"
Quote from: "Northern Red"
Monkey is the best option there at the moment, and not too bad, but could improve. He's an average player whos giving average performances at the moment.

Agree Evans should start, we've looked better each time he's come on...

Still not convinced about Weston, I'd start with Evans and Pook and use Weston as the impact substitute...


I believe Monky is the only option for left midfield as Browner is not welcome. Who else could play there?


David Stroud


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: adje on Friday, August 11, 2006, 20:39:15
Shocking miss though


Title: andy monkhouse
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Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:39:03
i disagree. he's better than anything else we have to play left wing, but he is quite frustrating


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:42:03
Quote from: "bennett"
i disagree. he's better than anything else we have to play left wing, but he is quite frustrating


aaron brown is far better imo


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: red macca on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:44:08
yet no cunt wants him ...how bizare


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:45:57
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "bennett"
i disagree. he's better than anything else we have to play left wing, but he is quite frustrating


aaron brown is far better imo


as entitled as you are to your opinion this has been done to some extent before.

for the record brown can rot


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:47:35
Quote from: "bennett"
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "bennett"
i disagree. he's better than anything else we have to play left wing, but he is quite frustrating


aaron brown is far better imo


as entitled as you are to your opinion this has been done to some extent before.

for the record brown can rot


true,but you claim monkhouse is better than anything else on the left wing,and i beg to differ with my answer previously given


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:54:06
arriba you're right.

brown is infinitely better than monkhouse. he's a fucking god that has proven himself to be amazing during his career with this pathetic little club, hence his desire to fly the nest and play for a better team. it boggles the mind that no better team has offered him a contract!

what is the fucking game coming to?

i have to say that this arguement is massively tiresome, but very very fun. i like writing things snottily

 8)


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 21:57:14
I wouldnt mind seeing David Stroud play a part on the left side of midfield....Monkhouse was crap today, so i would give Brown a chance to prove his worth, against Darlington, but maybe have Stroudy on the bench?


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Northern Red on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:00:15
They;re all shit


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Northern Red on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:00:51
Apart from Stroud, h's a ;egned


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Northern Red on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:01:06
LEGEND even


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:03:35
i just think he's better, thats all bennett.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:04:29
everyone is shite apart from ty gooden

let's all kill ourselves so we don't inconvenience the master


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:08:01
maybe bodin could still do a job?


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Northern Red on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:08:48
At leasy he couyld take a pentlay - I'd have plaued hoim tpoday


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:09:11
it's Ty Gooden or nothing. he's got the pace don't ya know?


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Northern Red on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:09:34
At least he could take a penalty - I'd have played him today (Northern Red's Missus  :D )


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: kaufman on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:10:02
have to admit apart from a couple of runs monkhouse was poor today.

thing is you can see he has some talent but it's whether he can bring it to this club!

do you notice how wise seems to give him an almost 3rd striker role where he backs up peacock and roberts in the middle, even helping out shakes at some points today and he has to track back to help vincent out.

am i just seeing this? that he seems to have been given maybe too many jobs instead of just doing a lee homes and be there on the left as an outlet


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Saturday, August 12, 2006, 22:30:28
Give him a bit more time.
If im right he didn't play a game last season due to injury.


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: DV on Sunday, August 13, 2006, 11:52:58
Quote from: "kaufman"
have to admit apart from a couple of runs monkhouse was poor today.

thing is you can see he has some talent but it's whether he can bring it to this club!

do you notice how wise seems to give him an almost 3rd striker role where he backs up peacock and roberts in the middle, even helping out shakes at some points today and he has to track back to help vincent out.

am i just seeing this? that he seems to have been given maybe too many jobs instead of just doing a lee homes and be there on the left as an outlet


He does push up as a third striker....I think thats mainly because most of Brezovan kicks go in that direction as well. So I guess it adds an extra targer rather than just Peacock


Title: andy monkhouse
Post by: Mark Hanrahan on Sunday, August 13, 2006, 19:08:13
Monky has been plagued with injuries in the past couple of seasons and given we're only three games into the season in a division known for it's emphasis on brawn before brain I'm more than happy with his contribution. I am confident he'll turn into one of Wise's shrewdest signings by the turn of the year.