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Israel are really going to town on this one.  Involving the Lebanon could be a huge mistake.  Surely other Arab countries won't be too happy about this development.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5175160.stm

The consequences of this could be huge.  Just hope we don't get involved, especially on Israel's side, even if America do.

Keep well away.  I worked in Israel earlier this year for 3 months - was glad to get out

If Israel start mucking about with Lebanon there's a good chance the Iranians are going to get involved, which is going to get very messy indeed.

They’re heading for a world of trouble and about to open Pandoras box but this time they're not going to get it closed again.

Exactly Dazzza, this could have dire consequences if this issue isn't resolved asap.  

I think we need to be very sympathetic to the Lebanon/Palestine as if we are seen to turn a blind eye to the Israelli agression the Arab world will not be too impressed.  Time to get tough with Israel and make them realise what a dangerous game they are playing.

The trouble is that Blair is just a puppet on a string for Bush to play with , This is not something that we need to get involved with (on a militarty front ) Israel need to be put back on their leash before all hell breaks loose. For years the Israelies have bleated on about being a persecuted nation and now they are doing the self same thing to the Palestinians . Live and let live .

As Israel is terrorising smaller countries with less defences, shouldn't the world powers be having a quiet, yet forceful word with them by now?

I vote for a war on Israel.

They are already in breach of UN Resolutions. Trouble is, as long as they are funded by the USA who is going to stand up to them?

People often ask why the Arab nations haven't rallied around. I'd just point people in the direction of Yom Kippur and the 6 days war. They tried it once and got well and truly hammered for their trouble. They have sat squarely on their hands ever since!

I don't understand how their involvement with the US makes them immune. It's just wrong.

Don't it make you angry, to think we the people of this land get tarnished with the same brush as Bush and Blair.

I don't want to be associated with their actions.

Rather than hammering Israel (although they should be well and truly slapped for their violation of human rights where it occurs) if you want to look for the destablising forces in the region, look to Syria and Iran who are both heavy backers of both Hamas and Hezbollah. If you look at where the current crisis started, it began with first Hamas kidnapping an Israeli soldier in the South, then Hezbollah following suit to the North. The Israeli response, especially in Gaza, has been disgracefully disproportionate, but neither of the initial kidnappings which started this off could have taken place without the tacit approval of the Syrians at least. Who incidentally have been destabilising the Lebanon for years, long before the Israeli intervention.

That is a very rational summary of the situation and I agree

Too rational for my taste.

Nuke em all, thats what I say.

The situation started in the late 40's I thought with the systematic removal of palestinians from their homeland??

I apologise for my ignorance.

"The first wave of modern immigration to Israel, or Aliyah (עלייה) started in 1881 as Jews fled persecution, or followed the Socialist Zionist ideas of Moses Hess and others of "redemption of the soil". Jews bought land from Ottoman and individual Arab landholders. After Jews established agricultural settlements, tensions erupted between the Jews and Arabs."

Thank you Wikipedia.

Also sorry to digress.

I wonder why the soldiers were kidnapped though?  Anything to do with years of being treated like pigs by their Israelli occupiers?  Anything to do with being unable to travel freely?  Anything to do with residential areas being bombed by miltary forces.  Face facts Paul if this was any other country than Israel acting like this the States would be forced into action.  No wonder the Islamic extremists have no problem hiring willing youngsters in their fight against the west whilst we sit back and do nothing.

I'll tell you who I blame! That smarmy faced kid off of the frosties adverts.

He's dead if I ever see him :x

He needs a good Zidane right in the mush.

I think with all of those Jewish characters in Israel we should just send the buggers back from where they came from and give them Greenland to play with.

Plenty of space in Greenland.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jameswalsh/pierate.jpg

That and the fruit pastel advert just makes me want to rip off both small of their underdeveloped scrotums and then gorge on them like some sort of nose boned cannibal.

The fruit pastel advert with its attempt at urban cool (what ever the fuck that is anyway) really is the fucking lowest of the low.

Don't disagree with any of the above - the Israelis have behaved disgracefully in the occupied territories, but again you're talking as if the militias are stand-alone forces instead of proxies for Syrian and to a lesser extent Iranian governments. To turn your argument of provocation on its head, how would our government, and ordinary people come to that, react if we'd had years of mortar attacks on civilians, bus bombs in London, Manchester, Birmingham on a weekly basis, pizza parlours full of kids attacked by suicide bombers, loonies attacking churches with machine guns on a regular basis etc etc. Oh, and if every one of the countries surrounding us was comitted to our destruction, but having failed to achieve it through conventional military means was now sponsoring, arming and actively controlling dozens of terrorist groups which were carrying out those attacks? The Israelis have put up with 30+ years of this - doesn't excuse the horrendous treatment of the Palestinians but it's not a simple "bad old US-backed Israel is being horrid to the poor little oppessed Arabs" argument as the Left in this country and large chunks of the media would have you believe. (There, that bit should upset Yeovil).

And FWIW I know for a fact that the kid off the Frosties advert is a Ba'athist agent of the Syrians. So it's all full circle, you see.

 The siituation developed in Biblical pre history.

And for that reason will never be resolved.

What I wan't to know is why do Israel play in the European section of the World Cup qualifiers when they are in the Middle East not Europe. Surely they should play against Iran, Saudi Arabia,Kuwait etc. Does that mean that Wales or france or Serbia could play in the middle East section if they wanted :?

Probably because the rest of the group hates them. Always been a bit puzzled as to why they're in the Eurovision song contest as well. Or why they'd want to be come to that

That advert makes no sense. Who eats cereal off a plate?

one pile of human excrement, one industrial-sized fan, add the possibility of a nuke or two being waved about (if iran get involved) and i'd say we could all be fucked. doomsday and all that.


diving back into the ol' bible, Revelations is a bit of an eye-opening read. doesnt sound too much fun really. if the number 7 appears anywhere, run for the fucking hills. or 4. neither are particularly good.

"let them bomb the fuck out of each other, saves us doing it" was my dad's comment this morning  :D

fuck em leave them to it

trouble is, the US aint that far behind israel, cos lets be honest they're pretty good mates. if israel keep attacking, its only a matter of time before iran become involved, and then everyones in trouble. you cant just stick your head in teh sand and say 'fuck em, dont involve me' cos when a few nukes are flying about, we're all shagged mate.

they're guna taste great!

that ad is jokes, i like his hand gestures at the end.its fucking killa kela doing it too, probably the best beatboxer in the world. i'm going to pelt him with fruit pastilles if i see him again.

http://www.ilikemusic.com/images/article_images/full/killa_kella200.jpg

The frosties kid is the spawn of satan

Will nukes being used in the Middle East really have any effect here though?

Yes. Remember the (by comparison) small explosion at Chernobyl affected sheep farming in Wales and Cumbria, any reasonable size nuclear exchange in the Middle East could have serious consequences for the whole of Western Europe in terms of contamination, hideous diseases for the next several generations etc. Of course, that's assuming we don't get dragged into the conflict anyway - US/UK troops in the region are well within range of most mid-range missiles, and Iran has missiles which can hit a fair bit of Western Europe. So yeah, it could have a bit of an effect, which is why we all need to worry about this. And why "Huuh, huuh, let em nuke each other" is, sadly, not really an option

yes. if nukes get involved, we're shagged pretty much. as pesimistic as it sounds, its the truth. if israel gets hit, the US will wade in, we will get dragged into it (whether we like it or not... we're a target whether or not we actually attack anyone, due to the US bases we house, the situation in iraq and our close 'friendship' with the yanks), and i'd imagine china/north korea will flex their nuclear muscles too. just saying 'fuck it, let em kill eachother' is so fucking ignorant.

With all this talk of nukes, evryone seems to have forgotten that the only country over there with them is israel.  Jordan and Eygpt simply won't get involved militarily, Syria would be petrefied of entering into a full scale war so will just use Hezbollah to fight a small scale one, and Iran could only ever send over a few token missiles before having Tehran bombed into rubble in a matter of minutes.  That's not to say that the world, and the middle east in particular, isn't fucked.  This will all start to die down when Israel feels they've killed enough innocent civilians to get there own back.

I wasn't trying to be facetious, I genuinely don't know if nuclear missiles in the Middle East would physically effect us in the UK. Oh and i know nothing about Chernobyl either.

I've never really been inclined to protest against any wars, but if we do eventually end up siding with the US and Israel, I'll be most disappointed and angry.

I bet that Pete fella from Big brother's got a hand in it too.He's got a gob shites haircut, he wears stupid sudent hippy clothes and he's got the most boring tourettes in the world.I mean all those excellent swear words which can be put together in any manner of humorous ways and all he can manage is pulling tosspotty faces and shouting wankers.He gets followed around by a mental with a granny face, a chav, and some comedy breasted tart from Atomic mutton, and pretends he doesn't know what's goin' on.

 WANKER!

Don't get me started on that Richard fella...I got a lift off Sonic youth once so I've nothing against bummers but this guy should be arrested :x

We - the United Kingdon - effectively created the modern state of Israel anyway when we pulled out in 1947 because we couldn't stop the Jews and the Arabs fighting even back then...

I'm not sure I can see the link, spacey, though I think the world might be a better place with you in charge.

Except, of course, there's really no evidence of a solely Jewish state/homeland even in biblical times. (trust me, I'm an archaeologist). All evidence points to the fact that the area at the eastern end of the mediterranean was always shared between Jewish people, Arabs and others.

You know...Pete and the kid from the frosties advert! The evil doers.

 I wouldn't worry about anything too much, I saw some clips on the news last night and there was a guy in the background wearing a vest and chewing on a cigar.If I've learnt anything from action movies then he's the guy who'll sort it all out

not ignorant leggett at all..what can WE realistically do about it.fuckall in a ideal world bush and blair would listen to us and not do fuckall but they wont will they

My dad is in the milk industry and some of the milk the cows were pumping out couldnt be sold cos of the levels of radiation, most was just below the threshold. my mum was pregnant at the time and had to water down milk powder so my sis would come out with 1 eye. (sounds like dave)