Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 08:56:47 The biggest let down, feel free to nominate additional players
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 08:58:41 I voted Ronaldinho, he was poor for the "best player in the world"
How do I edit the poll itself? I want to add Ibrahimovic Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: STFCBird on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 09:16:12 Can i vote for all of them? They were all fucking shit
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 09:28:51 If it were techically possible, then yes.
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: STFCBird on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 09:36:06 great
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: adje on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 09:54:10 No Rooney?
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 10:30:13 Quote from: "adje" No Rooney? I thought England had enough representation already! I would add him, but the gay theing wont let me. One of the nazis, I mean mods will have to change it Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Whits on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 10:41:17 done, i would say something in german but i don't know any :|
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: STFCere on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 10:46:26 i voted for owen but then realised that wasnt fair since hes just come back from injury. lampard was fucking cack supposedly amongst the best midfielders in the world MY ARSE
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: oxford_fan on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 11:09:15 i voted totti. supposed to be amazing but i'm yet to see him play well. did alright in one match, absolutely piss poor in the other group stage. then when they bought him back again in the knock-out stage he was invisible again.
lampard was poor, but then almost all of our players were. and ronaldinho was nowhere near as good as expected, but then brazil didn't exactly set the world on fire as they were supposed to. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: le god cuervo on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 11:26:17 i voted lampard, but ballack had a crap tournament as well. i thought he was supposed to be the germans star player? seemed to go missing in most games. shevchenko was disappointing but at least scored a few in a poor team
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: oxford_fan on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 11:58:05 Quote from: "le god cuervo" i voted lampard, but ballack had a crap tournament as well. i thought he was supposed to be the germans star player? seemed to go missing in most games. shevchenko was disappointing but at least scored a few in a poor team eh? i thought ballack looked very dangerous when on the ball. and considering he wasn't fully fit i'd say it was a great effort, especially the one which went to extra time where he could barely walk but nearly set up a goal.Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: fatbury on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:06:55 had to be Lampard .. awful!
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:08:59 Ronaldinho on the basis that he had the ability to do so much better. Lampard was dissapointing, but I've never really been won over by him. Ultimately his saving skill is the ability to score a lot of goals from midfield which vanished during this tournament.
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: janaage on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:22:48 Ballack was class, he rarely gave the ball away and was a real driving force behind the hun.
Lampard got my vote, he just didn't offer anything. Very disappointing for one of "Europe's best midfielders". Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:28:04 I agree Lampard had a shocking tournament, but has to be 2nd biggest flop for me, because at least he found space for all of them wasted efforts.
Ronaldinho was capable of something much more and he's rated much higher than Lampard. Therefore on that basis he's the biggest flop. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:37:44 Quote from: "simon pieman" I agree Lampard had a shocking tournament, but has to be 2nd biggest flop for me, because at least he found space for all of them wasted efforts. Ronaldinho was capable of something much more and he's rated much higher than Lampard. Therefore on that basis he's the biggest flop. I voted on that basis too. Same with Totti in a way. I've always thought he was massivly over-rated so wasnt surprised when he was crap Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:40:05 I think Gerrard is also amongst the biggest flops *awaits abuse*
He showed flashes of what he's was capable of, albeit for miniscule amount of time. Honestly thought he would be one of the better performers and was going to have a tournament to remember. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:41:56 in a way you are right, he was a disapiontment.
But Owen & Lampard made him look like a footballing god. At least he scored a couple of decent goals. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: janaage on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 12:44:52 I used to know a fella down at Billericay (one of our old managers) who knew Alvin Martin very well. Apparently Alvin Martin always said that if Frank Jr wasn't Frank Lampard Sr's son, he'd never had made it through the ranks at West Ham. A little harsh I feel, but Frank Sr had to go to the Youth Coach/Manager a few times to make sure Franck was kept on at the end of the year.
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: DV on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 16:39:22 Quote from: "simon pieman" I think Gerrard is also amongst the biggest flops *awaits abuse* He showed flashes of what he's was capable of, albeit for miniscule amount of time. Honestly thought he would be one of the better performers and was going to have a tournament to remember. Gerrard was a flop in terms of not playing as well as we all know he is capable of....however....I think that was down more to our tactics and Gerrard having to curb his attacking nature for Lampard rather than Gerrard being shit Same with Rooney...yes he was crap, but he played upfront on his own after an injury. Ronaldinho and Lampard are supposedly the best two players in the world, big let down.... Henry didnt do as much damage as a player of his quality should Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: DMR on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 18:31:22 too many to pick one, it was a shit tournament in terms of quality.
those brazil fans who tore down the ronaldhino statue and burnt it sway it. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 22:31:01 Gerrard was a big letdown, he was crap but Ronaldinho was the biggest flop. He's always been overrated though.
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 22:35:00 Quote from: "janaage" I used to know a fella down at Billericay (one of our old managers) who knew Alvin Martin very well. Apparently Alvin Martin always said that if Frank Jr wasn't Frank Lampard Sr's son, he'd never had made it through the ranks at West Ham. A little harsh I feel, but Frank Sr had to go to the Youth Coach/Manager a few times to make sure Franck was kept on at the end of the year. Fucking good job he was kept on though because despite an average world cup he is without doubt one of the world's best players and easily the best player to have played for West Ham in recent years.Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: McLovin on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 08:36:52 "An average World Cup" is being a bit kind, methinks
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: janaage on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 09:09:49 Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" Quote from: "janaage" I used to know a fella down at Billericay (one of our old managers) who knew Alvin Martin very well. Apparently Alvin Martin always said that if Frank Jr wasn't Frank Lampard Sr's son, he'd never had made it through the ranks at West Ham. A little harsh I feel, but Frank Sr had to go to the Youth Coach/Manager a few times to make sure Franck was kept on at the end of the year. Fucking good job he was kept on though because despite an average world cup he is without doubt one of the world's best players and easily the best player to have played for West Ham in recent years.I agree with your sentiment Ben, just telling the story as told to me. When he was around the age of 16 he started to concentrate on being that midfielder who made the late burst into the box, then he started scoring and the rest is history. Lucky for the hammers that they kept faith in the Frank Lampards I suppose. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Piemonte on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 10:09:30 I honestly dont think Frank Lampard is one of the worlds top players. Hes good, but simply not in the world class bracket
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: oxford_fan on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 13:42:25 no, definitely not 'world class' yet.
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 14:40:07 He was runner up in the european player of a year for a reason, he was playing superbly for both club and country and it was his goals that took us to the world cup. He is world class, no question.
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: hansgruber on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 15:23:32 Rooney was the biggest flop of the world cup. Sorry, but I expected him to win it for us. Curse my optimism!
Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: oxford_fan on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 16:07:45 Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" He was runner up in the european player of a year for a reason, he was playing superbly for both club and country and it was his goals that took us to the world cup. He is world class, no question. couldn't perform on the world class stage though?he's damn good, no doubting that at all. didn't prove he was world class on the biggest world stage though, maybe the opposite actually. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: DV on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 16:15:09 Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" Quote from: "janaage" I used to know a fella down at Billericay (one of our old managers) who knew Alvin Martin very well. Apparently Alvin Martin always said that if Frank Jr wasn't Frank Lampard Sr's son, he'd never had made it through the ranks at West Ham. A little harsh I feel, but Frank Sr had to go to the Youth Coach/Manager a few times to make sure Franck was kept on at the end of the year. Fucking good job he was kept on though because despite an average world cup he is without doubt one of the world's best players and easily the best player to have played for West Ham in recent years.Apart from Joe Cole.....and Rio Ferdinand.... Frank Lampard is good, no question....but if you took him out of Chelseas midfield and stuck him in Liverpools midfield would he have the same impact as Steven Gerrard does, I think not.... Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 16:31:44 Quote from: "oxford_fan" Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" He was runner up in the european player of a year for a reason, he was playing superbly for both club and country and it was his goals that took us to the world cup. He is world class, no question. couldn't perform on the world class stage though?he's damn good, no doubting that at all. didn't prove he was world class on the biggest world stage though, maybe the opposite actually. He was in the team of the tournament in euro 2004, which is also a world class stage. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 16:38:19 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" Quote from: "janaage" I used to know a fella down at Billericay (one of our old managers) who knew Alvin Martin very well. Apparently Alvin Martin always said that if Frank Jr wasn't Frank Lampard Sr's son, he'd never had made it through the ranks at West Ham. A little harsh I feel, but Frank Sr had to go to the Youth Coach/Manager a few times to make sure Franck was kept on at the end of the year. Fucking good job he was kept on though because despite an average world cup he is without doubt one of the world's best players and easily the best player to have played for West Ham in recent years.Apart from Joe Cole.....and Rio Ferdinand.... Frank Lampard is good, no question....but if you took him out of Chelseas midfield and stuck him in Liverpools midfield would he have the same impact as Steven Gerrard does, I think not.... I think he would have the same impact as Gerrard at Liverpool definitely. Liverpool have a strong midfield even without Gerrard anyway. I like Joe Cole but he's not even close to being as proven as Lampard, Lampard has been Chelsea's key player for 3 seasons and one of England's best too, Joe Cole has only broken into the Chelsea and England teams full time over the last season or so. I don't think Ferdinand's close to being as good as Lampard either. England only played 5 games at the world cup, it's silly to write off Lampard based on that when he's proved himself over 100's of games. Title: WC2006 Biggest flop Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 17:18:31 Quote from: "janaage" Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls" Quote from: "janaage" I used to know a fella down at Billericay (one of our old managers) who knew Alvin Martin very well. Apparently Alvin Martin always said that if Frank Jr wasn't Frank Lampard Sr's son, he'd never had made it through the ranks at West Ham. A little harsh I feel, but Frank Sr had to go to the Youth Coach/Manager a few times to make sure Franck was kept on at the end of the year. Fucking good job he was kept on though because despite an average world cup he is without doubt one of the world's best players and easily the best player to have played for West Ham in recent years.I agree with your sentiment Ben, just telling the story as told to me. When he was around the age of 16 he started to concentrate on being that midfielder who made the late burst into the box, then he started scoring and the rest is history. Lucky for the hammers that they kept faith in the Frank Lampards I suppose. Strange then that all the Hammers fans I know were rejoicing when Chelsea gave them a lot of money for Lampard. They never rated him and thought he was only kept on because of his dad. I guess they have some egg on face after his performances for Chelsea over the past few seasons. I agree he was disappointing in this tournament, as was Goofy chops, but for me the biggest disappointment was Ibrahimovic, who I thought was truly awful for such a highly rated player. |