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Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 02:56:02
.. since we went down from div one in 2000. It's got to be Ian Woan, an absolute joy to watch.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 02:59:14
Whaddabat Milner, Holmes and Davis ?

NMH


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 07:24:06
Parkin


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 07:53:34
Parkin. 20 goals a season says it all really.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Sade on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 09:23:58
Parkin 100% ,gave his all on the pitch and every weekend I looked forward to watching him play because he always outclassed most of the other strikers of the opposition. He was absolutely quality. He also was a great guy which was another reason he was a fans favourite. He loved this club.

I'm probably dreaming but I'd love to see him play at the county ground again one day  :D


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: DMR on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 09:27:32
Yeah I'm going to jump on the Parkin bandwagon. Quality touch and finish and loved the club.

Lee Holmes for a year would have been sexual.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 09:59:00
most effective has been parkin, but most enjoyable to watch have been woan because he's a real footballer, migs because he was almost as good and invincibile because he was a real athlete


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 12:01:08
Parkin! His first touch, movement, his ability to keep the ball under pressure and most of all his ability to finish, was amazing.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Tails on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 12:22:48
Cureton


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: my-velocity on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 13:50:44
Parkin for his loyalty to the club and because he was a great player for this club scoring 20 a season. Also i thought lee Holmes, although he was on loan was an absolute joy to watch and he must of really loved this club to cry at the end of his loan spell.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: SwindonTownFC on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 15:28:00
Juan Cobian, Kim Heiselberg and Sam Parkin


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 16:14:34
Gurney must be a bit of a player though, seeing as he poked Hewlitt's Mrs


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 17:56:33
Mooney with out a shadow.  He scored 20 goals,  supplied Parkin with a few goals, and his genius and footballing brain got us to the playoffs.  Shame he lacked pace, otherwise he would have been top notch


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 17:58:16
Mooney was never a Swindon player. That never happened  :wink:

Mooney moved down a division, Parkin moved up one. I think that speaks volumes.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 18:06:22
Parkin or Milner

Holmes was also very exciting to watch but he would come third for me


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 18:41:01
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Mooney moved down a division, Parkin moved up one. I think that speaks volumes.


Thats cause of the age difference, with Parkin at the beginning of his career with Mooney coming to an end   :soapy tit wank:      


If we play a 4-5-1 formation, then Parkin is better then Mooney without a shadow of a doubt.  However in a 4-4-2 formation, Mooney was class, and i'd probably pick Mooney over Parkin.

Mooney is more like a Dennis Berkamp style player, whilst Parkin is more like a Dean Ashton style player.  

In my opinion, Mooney is a more adaptable striker.  He's able to adapt to his fellow strikers style of play, and thats why he played well with Parkin and Fallon (when given the chance). Parkin on the other hand struggled to develop partnerships with Fallon and Roberts.

Both were excellent strikers, but Mooney was just a a bit better imo   :D


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 19:06:00
Quote from: "StefPol"
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Mooney moved down a division, Parkin moved up one. I think that speaks volumes.


Thats cause of the age difference, with Parkin at the beginning of his career with Mooney coming to an end   :soapy tit wank:      




Thus proving my point further. He was getting worse the longer he went on.

Plus, Parkin stayed loyal, Mooney went off to THE SCUM, which I think are imporatant attributes of a player from a fan perspective.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 19:06:49
who's mooney? i don't remember this person at all.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 19:26:52
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Quote from: "StefPol"
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Mooney moved down a division, Parkin moved up one. I think that speaks volumes.


Thats cause of the age difference, with Parkin at the beginning of his career with Mooney coming to an end   :soapy tit wank:      




Thus proving my point further. He was getting worse the longer he went on.

Plus, Parkin stayed loyal, Mooney went off to THE SCUM, which I think are imporatant attributes of a player from a fan perspective.



I think the postion of Mooney and Parkin was a little different.  Granted Mooney fucked off for more money, but at his age, any additional wages is an important factor when deciding whether to move or sign a new contract.  Hence if a lower league club offered more wages, then he would take the chance.
 However in Parkins case, whilst money was important, career progression was probably more important.  If someone like Oxford offered Parkin a chance to double his wages,  then imo, he would probably have rejected the chance.  He would have prefered to stay at swindon with the hope of scoring loads of goals on a consistent basis - so that clubs like Ipswich and Leeds would sign him, as apposed to other shitter clubs


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 19:34:33
My argument makes no mention of money. I understand the disimilar situations but that's a fact that has to be tackled when making comparisons.

Your sig alone suggests that anyone who fucks off to Oxford shouldn't be regarded as the best player.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 19:43:40
tommy money just changed clubs to get himself a signing on fee. don't be too suprised if we see him back at the cg next season.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 19:50:33
Quote from: "simon pieman"
My argument makes no mention of money. I understand the disimilar situations but that's a fact that has to be tackled when making comparisons.

Your sig alone suggests that anyone who fucks off to Oxford shouldn't be regarded as the best player.



So if Henry went to Spurs for £40 million,  then should Arsenal fans suggest that someone like Van Persie or Bergkamp has been a better player for Arsenal ?

Or if Parkin was supposedly sold to Oxford,  then is Fallon all of a sudden better then Parkin ?


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, June 3, 2006, 20:07:32
that's entirely different, henry's had more than one good season and arsenal would never sell him to spurs.

if parkin had gone to oxford, i'd have been furious. absolutely livid.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 01:25:22
Quote from: "StefPol"
Quote from: "simon pieman"
My argument makes no mention of money. I understand the disimilar situations but that's a fact that has to be tackled when making comparisons.

Your sig alone suggests that anyone who fucks off to Oxford shouldn't be regarded as the best player.



So if Henry went to Spurs for £40 million,  then should Arsenal fans suggest that someone like Van Persie or Bergkamp has been a better player for Arsenal ?

Or if Parkin was supposedly sold to Oxford,  then is Fallon all of a sudden better then Parkin ?


No, but if the role was reversed and Parkin went to the pox after one good season and Mooney had stayed then I would be agreeing with you. Parkin had more seasons at Swindon than Mooney, yet still scored bags of goals, goals which weren't assisted by the 'ever adaptive' Mooney.

There were other players in our team that season that had a great year. Fatty Howard even played well ffs, but I wouldn't even come close to calling him our best player.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 08:35:07
let's not argue and all agree that ty gooden was awesome and could still do a job for us on the pitch


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 10:12:35
I concur


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: fatbury on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 10:23:38
Sam Parkin - Rory Fallon - Rhys Evans


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Whits on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 10:27:43
Quote

Rory Fallon

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 10:30:02
Oh dear. This thread is going to pot  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: fatbury on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 10:37:04
well i thought he was man of the match in that play off final


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: TheKingCY on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 10:48:21
So Mooney's a cunt.  Still think he was the better player and unfotunately it hurts to say, I'd still have him back again next year.....  :cry:


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: red macca on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 11:53:54
Quote from: "fatbury"
well i thought he was man of the match in that play off final
but the thread is called best player we have had.not best player swansea have had


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: fatbury on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 12:11:09
well he was our best player last season


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 12:27:02
Quote from: "StefPol"
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Mooney moved down a division, Parkin moved up one. I think that speaks volumes.


Thats cause of the age difference, with Parkin at the beginning of his career with Mooney coming to an end   :soapy tit wank:      


If we play a 4-5-1 formation, then Parkin is better then Mooney without a shadow of a doubt.  However in a 4-4-2 formation, Mooney was class, and i'd probably pick Mooney over Parkin.

Mooney is more like a Dennis Berkamp style player, whilst Parkin is more like a Dean Ashton style player.  

In my opinion, Mooney is a more adaptable striker.  He's able to adapt to his fellow strikers style of play, and thats why he played well with Parkin and Fallon (when given the chance). Parkin on the other hand struggled to develop partnerships with Fallon and Roberts.

Both were excellent strikers, but Mooney was just a a bit better imo   :D


But Mooney also got dropped, unlike Parkin.
Parkin was in the team week in week out and rightly so. Parkin has a lot more to his game than just scoring, unlike Mooney.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 12:51:27
You can only compare Mooney and Parkin for the season which they both played for us.  Both were great strikers, but in my opinion Mooney offered more as a striker then Parkin did.  Parkin is like Cureton in the sense that they are both out and out goal scorers (although Parkin was more consistent then Cureton).  However whilst Mooney scored many a goal, he also won many a flick on, many corners, freekicks etc.  In my opinion, if Mooney played with Fallon or Roberts, that partnership would collectively score more goals then a Parkin partnership with Roberts/ Fallon.  Thats because Mooney is more adaptable as a player, and at the time was a better player then Parkin.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 13:00:37
Quote from: "StefPol"
You can only compare Mooney and Parkin for the season which they both played for us.  Both were great strikers, but in my opinion Mooney offered more as a striker then Parkin did.  Parkin is like Cureton in the sense that they are both out and out goal scorers (although Parkin was more consistent then Cureton).  However whilst Mooney scored many a goal, he also won many a flick on, many corners, freekicks etc.  In my opinion, if Mooney played with Fallon or Roberts, that partnership would collectively score more goals then a Parkin partnership with Roberts/ Fallon.  Thats because Mooney is more adaptable as a player, and at the time was a better player then Parkin.


Why? It doesn't say for a single season. The fact that Parkin played more seasons and performed to the same standard needs considering.

Like I said, Parkin still scored the same amount without Mooney's assists. So it means that Mooney's assists weren't as important as you make out.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 13:01:22
I would have to choose Parkin over Mooney simply because if he got the ball you were confident he would score. Had Mooney not gone through that 10 game barren run then maybe things would have been different but Parkin ALWAYS guaranteed goals.

And scored a hat-trick on his debut  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 13:02:34
this is irrelevant. ty gooden was the best


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 13:23:31
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Quote from: "StefPol"
You can only compare Mooney and Parkin for the season which they both played for us.  Both were great strikers, but in my opinion Mooney offered more as a striker then Parkin did.  Parkin is like Cureton in the sense that they are both out and out goal scorers (although Parkin was more consistent then Cureton).  However whilst Mooney scored many a goal, he also won many a flick on, many corners, freekicks etc.  In my opinion, if Mooney played with Fallon or Roberts, that partnership would collectively score more goals then a Parkin partnership with Roberts/ Fallon.  Thats because Mooney is more adaptable as a player, and at the time was a better player then Parkin.


Why? It doesn't say for a single season. The fact that Parkin played more seasons and performed to the same standard needs considering.



In which case, Milner without doubt is the best player to have played for Swindon,  simply because he now plays in the premiership, and will be playing top flight football for many a year.  

My argument about Mooney being the best player is based on what he brought to the club for that season.  Whilst Parkin scored many a goal, he was to a certain extent replaceable - with Fallon and Cureton showing they could score goals as Swindons main striker (all be it at a slightly less impressive ratio to Parkin).  

Since Mooney's departure, no one has come close to replacing him within the team, and hence why we have spiralled down the league.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 14:44:17
Quote from: "StefPol"
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Quote from: "StefPol"
You can only compare Mooney and Parkin for the season which they both played for us.  Both were great strikers, but in my opinion Mooney offered more as a striker then Parkin did.  Parkin is like Cureton in the sense that they are both out and out goal scorers (although Parkin was more consistent then Cureton).  However whilst Mooney scored many a goal, he also won many a flick on, many corners, freekicks etc.  In my opinion, if Mooney played with Fallon or Roberts, that partnership would collectively score more goals then a Parkin partnership with Roberts/ Fallon.  Thats because Mooney is more adaptable as a player, and at the time was a better player then Parkin.


Why? It doesn't say for a single season. The fact that Parkin played more seasons and performed to the same standard needs considering.



In which case, Milner without doubt is the best player to have played for Swindon,  simply because he now plays in the premiership, and will be playing top flight football for many a year.  

My argument about Mooney being the best player is based on what he brought to the club for that season.  Whilst Parkin scored many a goal, he was to a certain extent replaceable - with Fallon and Cureton showing they could score goals as Swindons main striker (all be it at a slightly less impressive ratio to Parkin).  

Since Mooney's departure, no one has come close to replacing him within the team, and hence why we have spiralled down the league.


I meant in a Swindon shirt. There have been loads of players since div1 that have never played together for Swindon, but have played for Swindon. If they didn't play at the same time how would you compare them?

And Cureton couldn't score goals which was one of the reasons we went down. Fallon did well last season but the ones prior he didn't perform nearly as well.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: DV on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 15:09:18
Mooney scored what 20 goals for us, Parkin scored close to 70.

Super Sammy Parkin all the way


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 16:22:39
dv you're wrong.

ty gooden all the way


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 16:22:58
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Quote from: "StefPol"
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Quote from: "StefPol"
You can only compare Mooney and Parkin for the season which they both played for us.  Both were great strikers, but in my opinion Mooney offered more as a striker then Parkin did.  Parkin is like Cureton in the sense that they are both out and out goal scorers (although Parkin was more consistent then Cureton).  However whilst Mooney scored many a goal, he also won many a flick on, many corners, freekicks etc.  In my opinion, if Mooney played with Fallon or Roberts, that partnership would collectively score more goals then a Parkin partnership with Roberts/ Fallon.  Thats because Mooney is more adaptable as a player, and at the time was a better player then Parkin.


Why? It doesn't say for a single season. The fact that Parkin played more seasons and performed to the same standard needs considering.



In which case, Milner without doubt is the best player to have played for Swindon,  simply because he now plays in the premiership, and will be playing top flight football for many a year.  

My argument about Mooney being the best player is based on what he brought to the club for that season.  Whilst Parkin scored many a goal, he was to a certain extent replaceable - with Fallon and Cureton showing they could score goals as Swindons main striker (all be it at a slightly less impressive ratio to Parkin).  

Since Mooney's departure, no one has come close to replacing him within the team, and hence why we have spiralled down the league.


I meant in a Swindon shirt. There have been loads of players since div1 that have never played together for Swindon, but have played for Swindon. If they didn't play at the same time how would you compare them?

And Cureton couldn't score goals which was one of the reasons we went down. Fallon did well last season but the ones prior he didn't perform nearly as well.


Fallon didn't perform well prior to last season mainly because of Parkin.  Both players had a similar playing style, but when you put the 2 together it never worked.  That left a choice of playing Fallon or Parkin upfront, with Parkin deservedly being chosen above Fallon, simply because Parkin had a proven goal track record with Swindon.  Fallon mainly played a super sub role - which he did pretty well in

I personally feel that Cureton did well for us last season.  Sure he started of craply, but once he came back from his loan spell at Colchester, he scored a few goals.  Imo cureton played in an inferior team to the one which Parkin had played in.  I guess you can lay some of the blame on Cureton for getting us relegated (because he scored no goals in his first stint at Swindon).  However he did give us hope by scoring a few goals after his return from the loan spell.

 In my opinion, Onoura is the main reason why we went down.  The man had 36 games in charge of Town.  Whilst we did not have the best team in the division (and the players must take some responsibility for us going down), the class in skill  between the top teams and Swindon were not exactly massive.  Just look at Bristol City.  When we beat them 2-1 at home, it looked like it was going to be a long hard season for them.  However Johnson rallied the troops, and transformed the team that took them to the bottom of the league, to a team that nearly snatched a play off place.  Onoura was ok as a manager, but i feel that if we got a manager who was a little more experienced, we would have survived


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: SwindonTownFC on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 16:24:19
i would like to have seen Cureton and Parkin play together, would be superb


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Bedford Red on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 18:49:34
Ian Woan and Sam Parkin for me.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: juddie on Sunday, June 4, 2006, 21:55:46
Parikin defo up there - consistent class, a cut above and always linked up play, as well as bagging goals.

For me though, for excitement, it would have to be Jimmy D. He was immense, and was a nice bloke too. He loved this club. And although he was consistently inconsistent, danny invincibile, for having that ability to get you on the endge of your seat when he touched the ball - even if half the time it came to nothing!

Woan was class personified.

Jo Kuffour had skills, micheal reddy's pace.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Johno on Monday, June 5, 2006, 11:44:19
Parkin for me.

Ian woan though was a legend to watch.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, June 5, 2006, 11:46:26
Jon Stevenson, he was brilliant.


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, June 5, 2006, 12:00:00
The best player without any shadow of a doubt whatsoever - Mooney.

I'm not going to rewrite history just because he left us for Oxford. No other single player has had the impact he did - FACT!

Closely followed by Kim Heisselberg. :|


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: adje on Monday, June 5, 2006, 12:39:39
Brian Howard :)


Title: Best player we've had...
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Monday, June 5, 2006, 13:01:25
Not counting loanees and ignoring the manner in which they left us I think it's very close between Mooney and Parkin.