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its doing nothing for the animal movement, just makes them look like a bunch of fuck heads.

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Animal rights protesters are generally scum who need a good shoeing.

just like you then daffyd

I agree that they take it too far sometimes, but some of the work they do is for a good cause.  Animals can't talk so someone has to stick up for them.  

The ones that follow fox hunting do my head in, I have seen them hit horses with sticks, yet they think that hurting animals is cruel - stupid cunts  :evil:

I think most of them just like to cause mischief. Nothing to do with the animals really, just a good excuse.

Very weak arguement and you know it.

Fox hunting is cruel and is also now illegal get over it.

What a twat thing to say.

The same was said about the picket lines during the minors strike.

Utter utter wank.

Except they are still allowed to go out under the pretense of exercising the hounds, and if they happen to come across a fox, they kill it as they would have done before.  Very little has changed.

Meh, we all know your view doesn't count anyway. You gays have your own rights to worry about  :wink:

So Yeovil, do you think football hooligans create violence for the love of football or violence?

Complicated.

Its tribalism but most hoolies I know love football and violence equally.You would be wrong to assume that hooligans arent interested in football.

I never did

Good.

Make sure you dont. :)

I think hooligans do stuff for the love of the anarchy rather than anything else, although that's not to say that they don't feel as passionately about something else.

The whole Gladys Hammond thing has eroded any sympathy I had for activists. I know I may have got a little carried away by saying 'most of them' but I'm fairly certain that most decent people wouldn't do something like that, no matter how far they were driven. I'm by no means advocating animal testing (or disapproving it) that's a whole different debate, but you do have to question these people's warped set of morals.

any time dave

Judging the animal rights movement as a whole on the basis of the few warped sickos who dug up Gladys Hammond is like watching a documentary on extreme football hooligans then condemning all fans as scum on the basis of it.

That was without a doubt way too far.Personally i thought most of them came across not as fuck heads,but as people who had passionate belief in what they are doing.Most of them seemed normal to me,its just because it was a documentary all we saw of them was the anger they had.

Sorry Larwood but there was nothing normal about those people interviewed last night . Im not going to go into to much detail but i have had dealings with these Activists and they are not pleasant people . I struggle to understand how the girl who had a curveture of the spine can link a failed surgical procedure to assumed animal cruelty ?
                       What price do you put on a life of a mouse ? Are these people telling me that they would refuse medical treatment on a loved one if it had involved animal testing in the pre clinical trials or vaccine developement and production ?

Brilliant quote on one of Ricky Gervais' shows on XFM.  Carl the thick sounding northerner was stopped by one of these anti testing drugs on animals people, anyway the woman explained that she was against any testing on animals so Carl replied "what about if that monkey did have a headache though, would that be alright?"  apparently the woman went off on one.

To be honest I'm pro testing on animals, the advances of medical science has been astounding in recent years.  Not that keen on the cosmetic testing though, I think we have enough beauty products to keep us going for a while without feeling the need of spraying 6 cans of Linx africa in some puppies eyes.

i personally know some people who are into animal rights,they are not extremists in any way but caring people who speak up for the rights of animals.they condemn the actions of the extrenmists as it does their cause no good at all.
my personal view is that all medicine has to be tested on a human eventually so why waste time testing on animals.comparing humans to rats, rabbits ect is ridiculous and all this does is line the pockets of the companies carrying out tests on animals as they are subsidised by the goverment.penicillin is one example of a drug that killed animals.oh and fox hunters are the scum of the earth fucking hate em

Wasn't Penecillin an accidental discovery? Didn't think it had anything to do with animals, just a messy scientist by the name of Fleming...

why is it ridiculous testing on animals? The guinea pig/hamster toxicity thing is often quoted out of context. Remember this is science, logical and refutable - emotion doesn't usually help in toxicology tests.

If the animal rights hippies want scientific testing on animals stopped - fine.

We should use the hippies instead.

Oi you cunt, I have not once said I agree with fox hunting.  I can see it from both sides but agree the way the fox is treated is cruel, and I am glad it has been banned.

I'm happy for animal testing to continue. The more risk taken out of human drug trials by first testing on animals is fine by me.

I hold human life above animal life, rightly or wrongly.

Testing on animals for cosmetic purposes is just wrong

what even for baby shampoo - you'd rather see your child suffer!

Totally agree Birdy. Medical research testing is a different kettle of fish. Badger hunters are the biggest bunch of cunts known to man ,if i ever catch them on my land i will happily empty both barrels into them . :evil:

well said foggy.  That is the only thing I have ever agreed with you on!!

sod babies ron dodgers - who wants those???

test on babies  :wink:

Yeahhh ,that has made my day  :D

Thinking of it ethically using the theory of utilitarianism if animal testing saves more peoples live than animals are tested on then it must be good for it will cause the greatest happiness, even if you consider an animals life as important as a humans. Ergo, animal testing for medical reasons is ethically right.

Not for cosmetic reasons though. Personally I only thing medicines should be tested on amimals, not cosmetics but if animal testing helps find drugs that save lives then it is worth doing as well as testing on humans.

How about testing cosmetics on animals that are already mutated through medical testing?

yeah - see what you mean - don't use much eyeliner myself - I suppose you can get it tatooed on.

 :mrgreen:  good plan.

I want to buy some specifically "tested on animals" hairgel :D

hair gel is actually monkey jizz

cool, I'll start eating it too then :D

When did kids go on strike Yeovil?

It only takes a few idiots to lead a legitamate group with strong beliefs to extreme acts. It's unfair to then paint all those people with the same nasty brush.

For example the nazi's. Not everybody who hates jews is that bad.

as ben says, people seem to automatically assume that anyone who believes in animals rights is an extremist terrorist wankercuntscrote. which isn't true.

i'm torn on the subject, i abhor animal cruelty and i don't like the thought of animal testing - but is it a neccessity? if i was in a position where a member of my family or a friend was seriously ill and opposition to animal testing prevented them from possibly making a recovery, then what choice do you have? totally hypothetical i know, but still.

there's a big furore about the animal research laboratories being built in oxford at the minute, i was going to go along to a protest but i'd probably end up wanting to twat the activists and kneecap the pro-test protesters.

i fucking hate fox hunting. it winds me up when i see people with those fucking 'unjust ban' car stickers and stuff. bunch of toffs.

i've had the same thing. not due to animal testing but another type of activists and its fucking horrible being on the other end of it. I understand the meaning of the message but digging up graves and threating people is not the way to go about it.

Most animal campaigners are probably ok, its just a few that make them look like wankers.

Im all for animal testing both comsmetic and medical as long as its done in the most humane way possible.

(Cue bricks coming through my window any moment now...)

*Are you a vegetarian then sonic (not accusatory just wondering)?

*I reckon everyone on this forum has used/knows someone who has used medicine tested on animals, even unwittingly. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I do wonder if people research this type of thing before using the medicine? I'm also pretty certain that most of the cancer treatments are tested on animals, and cancer affects us all sometime in our lives and that's just an example. This is why it's such a dilemma.

*When I originally posted my initial view, I didn't mean your run-of-the-mill protestor type, just the extremists. Considering the programme was about extreme activists I thought people would gather this but I was evidently wrong

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My cynical input is that until someone volunteers their fucking baby, you're going to have to put up with it. Sorry.

i am a vegetarian as of very recently.

if i was in the hypothetical situation i mentioned, then i'd want the medication regardless of whether it was tested on animals or not. i can cope with medical testing, but cosmetics is just sheer pointless.

i wasn't accusing you either, nor anyone in particular, but it's one of those things that has become a huge over-generalisation.

1) :fag:  :wink:

2) Fair play for admitting it. Would you check if a medicine had been tested on animals before using, if it was for a minor ailment?

3) Yeah that bit wasn't aimed at you but I feel some people may have misinterpreted what I said.

Incidently I am pro animal testing for medical purposes if any of you fuckers really wanna slag off my views  :wink:

My objection to the fox hunting ban was what do you do with the dogs? And foxes are pests, you city slickers might deem them as furry doe-eyed puppy dogs but they're diseased ridden savages- end of.

Are you taking the piss about being a vegetarian, seeing as you ate chicken curry 4 days ago?

i wouldn't check no, working in a pharmacy makes medication seem a very natural and normal thing to do when you're feeling rough, ill or whatever.

that's why i said 'very recently', dave. i hope you manage to read those exam questions properly or you won't be going to oxford.

I was against the fox hunting ban because I felt I didn't have the right to tell people they couldn't do it.  Think it should be up to the local comunity if it's aloud. If all the people in the middle of london/manchester/birmingham want it banned then ban it there.

oh fuck off, my neighbours been a vegetarian for 40 years, a lad at college has been one for about 2 months... thats recent.

touchy daffyd, are you on the rag?

i live out in the sticks are i can't say foxes are much of a problem. in fact, vandalising little chav scrotes are more of a problem. maybe instead of hunting foxes, they could hunt chavs?

rough day matey, but 48 hours off the ham sarnies doesn't really constitute being a vegetarian yet does it.

I haven't eaten any meat yet today either. Chicken and bacon pizza in the fridge will convert me back from the evil ways of vegitarianism.

i wasn't aware that foxes spread many diseases. do they or was that just a guess?

don't worry, exams soon. that'll solve everything.

i've wanted to go veggie for a long time, but i've never had the self-discipline to actually do it. i had a bbq on saturday, felt guilty eating nothing but meat so thought fuck it and not touched any meat since. i wouldn't call myself a veggie yet, but seeing as si asked - i wasn't going to say 'no, but i don't eat meat anymore'.

Are marksman used to control fox population numbers? I know that can be just as cruel as hunting because sometimes the bullet misses the target and the animal dies a slow painful death after limping off. Although the video I watched was to do with deer, which is why I'm asking about foxes.

Fair play. If you're going to stay off the meat longer then you're a veggy (even if it has been for 2 days). My mate's been a veggy for 12 years, despite the fact that his family, girlfriend and friends are all meat eaters.

My mother's a veggy but she still cooks me meat  :P

Foxes are cunts, huntings too good for them.

i'm of the opinion there cannot be much of a reason for animal testing. to put it basically- animals do not have the save body structure we do, therefore will react differently, rendering any information useless.

cosmetic testing is plain idiotic and i think blair might have dug himself a hole on that front.

unfortunately i have no idea what i'd do in situation 2)  from sonic. thankfully i'm not in the position to have the final say in anyones course of treatment yet though, so i have a few years in which to make up my mind.

I saw the program last night and the people that dug up that body were clearly sick in more ways than one.

fuckining weriods the lot of them!

I bet they ahve all use drugs etc that have been tested on animals and I bet if they were dying they would use drugs tested on animals. Image this converstation:

Doctor - "sorry swappy but your dying of cancer"

Swappy - "fuck me doc! anything you can do?"

Doctor - "yes we have lots of drugs etc but I'm affaird they have all been tested on animals"

Swappy - "nevermind doc I'll just die then"

yeah right!