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Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: SwindonTownFC on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 16:58:23 lets look at the facts
1. Holloway knows Power & Devlin from QPR 2. Has only ever managed in Bristol & London, Swindon would be perfect so he could stay local 3. You wouldnt have thought Power would put in £1m and keep Iffy as manager who has managed for 3/4 of a season and been relegated 4. Was on Football League Review and said he would manage in League Two Holloway In :beers: :beers: :beers: I Fucking Love The Bloke Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Red Chris on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:00:41 I'd say its not a bad shout, but its all rumours that will never materialize in my opinion. Maybe i could see him having a consultancy role to Iffy at the most but im not convinced ;)
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: SwindonTownFC on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:05:22 If you was Bill Power and u put £1m into a Football Club would you be happy to keep Iffy as manger who in all fairness is very tactically nieve and just not good enough, Or would u rather bring in a manager who u have seen first hand at QPR get them promoted to the Championship?
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:11:31 What does Shirley have to do with Ian Holloway? Is that his wife or something?
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: SwindonTownFC on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:15:18 Quote from: "simon pieman" What does Shirley have to do with Ian Holloway? Is that his wife or something? Fuck Off cuntbag tosser wank stain bum hole fucker Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Red Chris on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:19:38 A million will be about 100,000 by the tim eIffy has time to spend any, Power's money is just prolonging the clubs financial death. Keeping our heads just above sea level so to speak.
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:30:14 but the 1 million is going on players :D he's making up our loss every year on top of that investment. at least thats what i heard
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:43:59 Quote from: "Rich" but the 1 million is going on players :D he's making up our loss every year on top of that investment. at least thats what i heard That may be what you heard, but it's very different from what's been said by both the club and Power himself, which is that is a 1 mill investment, end of ie covering both on and off-field. Anyone who thinks we'll have a million to spend on players is deluding themselves Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:46:02 im not really that hopeful about all this Bill Power stuff anyway to tell you the truth. it sounds a bit unreal and he could (and probably will be) another Terry Brady in the waiting
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 17:46:20 Quote from: "SwindonTownFC" Quote from: "simon pieman" What does Shirley have to do with Ian Holloway? Is that his wife or something? Fuck Off cuntbag tosser wank stain bum hole fucker Sorry I don't speak twattish Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:17:02 Hasn't Kings cut already been munched from the pie? Add to that the suspected loss of 200k MD mentioned the other day and we're down to approx 650k.
Slam some of that on operating costs over the summer and during the season and I can't see there being much left. I'd suspect if the wage bill is increased back to the level of last season there would be a generous 300k for players? Total guess work but after you've allocated wages for additional players I can't see there being much in the way of actual transfer fees. Hope so though any money spent will be an absolute total bonus. :beers: Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:31:34 Quote from: "dazzza" Hasn't Kings cut already been munched from the pie? Add to that the suspected loss of 200k MD mentioned the other day and we're down to approx 650k. Slam some of that on operating costs over the summer and during the season and I can't see there being much left. I'd suspect if the wage bill is increased back to the level of last season there would be a generous 300k for players? Total guess work but after you've allocated wages for additional players I can't see there being much in the way of actual transfer fees. Hope so though any money spent will be an absolute total bonus. :beers: In order to get a player of some ability, who may merit a transfer fee, certainly if they're dropping down, then you'll need to pay matching wages. In L2 there is a cap based on turnover, because we get low crowds, there wont be much money for wages...so its almost certain we wont "buy" anyone. However the upside of Power is that unlike this season when at times we've fielded 4 or 5 players who other clubs have been paying the wages of....and even in recent games at least 3 loan players, we may be able to afford our own players, which would have to be a good thing. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:41:01 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Quote from: "dazzza" Hasn't Kings cut already been munched from the pie? Add to that the suspected loss of 200k MD mentioned the other day and we're down to approx 650k. Slam some of that on operating costs over the summer and during the season and I can't see there being much left. I'd suspect if the wage bill is increased back to the level of last season there would be a generous 300k for players? Total guess work but after you've allocated wages for additional players I can't see there being much in the way of actual transfer fees. Hope so though any money spent will be an absolute total bonus. :beers: In order to get a player of some ability, who may merit a transfer fee, certainly if they're dropping down, then you'll need to pay matching wages. In L2 there is a cap based on turnover, because we get low crowds, there wont be much money for wages...so its almost certain we wont "buy" anyone. However the upside of Power is that unlike this season when at times we've fielded 4 or 5 players who other clubs have been paying the wages of....and even in recent games at least 3 loan players, we may be able to afford our own players, which would have to be a good thing. There's actually the same cap in operation in League 1 Reg, but obviously you'd expect the attendance to fall next season. Interestingly there are plenty of teams that don't abide by the cap. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:44:43 It’s 60% of turnover but there's ways and means of working around it such as bonuses, percentage salary increase and signing on fees. That said it’s all a bit short sighted to be going down that route.
I suspect the reason so many of our recent transfers have had to have League approval is because it has taken us outside or close to that figure. Provided though the club can show a revised budget that funds are available to cover the expense then away you go. I think but I’m not sure if Power’s money is a loan then it can’t be taken into consideration in your 60% if he receives shares then it can be. What was our turnover in the last accounts anyway? Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: STFC Village on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:46:32 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4270348.stm
"Football already runs a voluntary salary cap in League One and League Two where clubs cannot spend more than 60% of their income on players' salaries" Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:52:27 I thought that all our transfers had to have league approval under the terms of the cva.
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:53:43 Last season we were well in the bounds of the L1 wage cap, but our average crowd can expect to drop by 1000, which lowers turnover.
People are getting a bit over excited by Mr Power's money, which as things stand may prevent us going bust, and is therefore most welcome, but isn't necessarily going to lead to an influx of players etc. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:53:57 If you've volunteered though I think you can then be punished or is different in the Conference?
Quote The Argus reports that "Crawley Town will be deducted up to three points and fined £10,000 if found guilty of bringing the Nationwide Conference National into disrepute. Crawley must reassure the league they can resolve the ongoing issue with players' wages by the end of this week or face punishment. Crawley are under a transfer embargo after exceeding the annual budget allowed to be paid to players set by the Conference. They are also in breach of player contracts after a temporary pay-cut last month and the continuing non-payment of bonuses. Crawley officials were called before the Conference board last week to explain the issues. A club statement said: 'No conclusion was reached following Crawley's meeting at Burton Albion with the Conference board... In addition, there are ongoing discussions pending the issue of the annual players' budget. The excess of the budget is directly linked to the problems within the players' contracts, which led to the initial wage reduction in February'. "Even if found guilty, Crawley will get off lightly compared to the punishment handed out to Altrincham. The Cheshire club are facing relegation after being hit with an eighteen-point penalty for fielding an ineligible player. A three-point deduction will not endanger Crawley's league status". Meanwhile, the Crawley Forum reports that "the case against Azwar Majeed [Crawley chairman] was adjourned at Worthing Magistrates yesterday. Azwar has pleaded not guilty to the charge of assault by beating. The case was adjourned for trial at Worthing Magistrates, with a date set of 25th October". Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:54:36 Quote from: "dazzza" Hasn't Kings cut already been munched from the pie? Add to that the suspected loss of 200k MD mentioned the other day and we're down to approx 650k. Slam some of that on operating costs over the summer and during the season and I can't see there being much left. I'd suspect if the wage bill is increased back to the level of last season there would be a generous 300k for players? Total guess work but after you've allocated wages for additional players I can't see there being much in the way of actual transfer fees. Hope so though any money spent will be an absolute total bonus. :beers: It's good that the money's going on this kind of stuff though. We'd still have to pay it even if he hadn't given us any money, just now we can actually afford it. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, May 2, 2006, 19:59:02 100% with you Ben, if it means the difference between oblivion and another season then great.
If it makes the difference between a struggle at the bottom and mid-table I'll be chuffed to bits. Anything else is pure bliss. :o Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 10:19:10 Quote from: "STFC Village" http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4270348.stm "Football already runs a voluntary salary cap in League One and League Two where clubs cannot spend more than 60% of their income on players' salaries" I find that quite ironic as Wigan are among the teams that have the highest salary/turnover ratios in the Prem. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 10:32:26 I think we can increase spending on wages by presenting a cealr case in our budget proposals to the league (which I presume is how this must work). If we can show an slight increase in attendance (they can use the ticket price reduction and an expected challenge for play offs given the new money) then we can, I presume suggest increased turnover (also they might be able to outline how his invetsment might help bring in other avenues of revenue).
The main use of his money with players though will be the ability to sign a player in contract. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 11:39:24 Some one sticking a million notes into the club has to be a good thing whichever way you look at it and I don't see why people should think he will be 'another Terry Brady'.
The difference between the two in my humble opinion is that Power's first love is football (yes I am aware that he is a QPR fan) and Brady's is business. That is a big difference. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: red macca on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 14:35:08 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" Last season we were well in the bounds of the L1 wage cap, but our average crowd can expect to drop by 1000, which lowers turnover. reg be optimistic for once.we WILL sign players he has already said we were prepared to bid for beckford...maybe you could admit you were wrong for once we wont think less of you..we have some good news for once and you still got to be negative i dont understand youPeople are getting a bit over excited by Mr Power's money, which as things stand may prevent us going bust, and is therefore most welcome, but isn't necessarily going to lead to an influx of players etc. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: STFCere on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 14:41:56 yea reg....boo! come on cheer up! we going up as fucking champions!
Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 14:52:52 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" People are getting a bit over excited Maybe getting over excited is a good thing Reg. Try it yourself. You might even enjoy it 8) Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 15:23:58 That's the real difference, not millions on extra wages (probably a few thousand pounds a week), but being able to get players that are in contract. This opens up a different type of player, i.e ones that clubs actually want!!!
We've been in the released market for a while, now we can go and get people with 2 years left on a contract if the clubs accept a bit of cash. instead of waiting for the crap, we have a new market open to us to find our talent from. Title: Ian Holloway Surely?? Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, May 3, 2006, 15:26:36 I bet Reg is really like Goldmember and he's really, really excited:
"I love gooooold!" :wink: |