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Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 10:57:07
I was speaking to Mark Devlin who to be fair put his arm round my shoulder and told to me to keep my head up... then at the final whistle I was speaking to PW (don't start this enemy of the game shite).

I liked him.

I told him I'd always thought Platt was shit, he smiled and said that's the first time he'd ever done anything like that, at least he's honest. He even told his radio gaggle to wait so he could have a chat with me and Darv. Nice gesture I thought.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:01:54
mark devlin is a legend, i reckon hes the only guy on the board who genuinely cares about the club.

dave, could you enlighten me on what carson was up to after the game? thanks. if you confirm the rumours i think its  a complete disgrace and he should be ran out of town :evil:


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DV on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:02:21
I hope you kicked him in the balls....


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:04:10
Carson got surrounded by a load of lads calling for his head which isn't really the root of our problems but you can see their point. I think he was probably a bit overwhelmed and told a few of lads to "fuck off."


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:04:23
oh and who is pete winkleman ? sorry  :oops:


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:04:27
i dont trust devlin,what has he actually acheived for the club?
talks the talk, thats all


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:05:00
i heard he tangled with a few of them? a bit of shirt tugging ?


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:05:13
Quote from: "STFCere"
oh and who is pete winkleman ? sorry  :oops:


MKD chairman, spoke to me and my mates as equals and didn't tow the party line. Fair play.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:05:56
Quote from: "STFCere"
i heard he tangled with a few of them? a bit of shirt tugging ?


No nothing physical. It all got a bit heated and tbh the lads that surrounded him went too far. Personal abuse isn't necessary.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:06:47
Quote from: "arriba"
i dont trust devlin,what has he actually acheived for the club?
talks the talk, thats all


True, but he spent 70 minutes of his own time outside his car speaking to fans last night, as did Lee Peacock and Migs. The rest bottled it.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:08:27
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "arriba"
i dont trust devlin,what has he actually acheived for the club?
talks the talk, thats all


True, but he spent 70 minutes of his own time outside his car speaking to fans last night, as did Lee Peacock and Migs. The rest bottled it.


credit due to them for that but did they really have a choice or were they surrounded by people wanting answers


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:10:05
dave,

ok alots been said etc

but what would YOU change if you could? (within the realms of reality!)

do you think iffy should go?
which players would you keep?
should carson walk?
what do you think of devlin? and other board members? reeves?
what fundamental changes do you think we need to turn our fortunes around?

thanks


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:16:00
or anyone else can answer this! im just interested to hear what people would do if they were in charge


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:17:45
Quote from: "STFCere"
dave,

ok alots been said etc

but what would YOU change if you could? (within the realms of reality!)

do you think iffy should go?
which players would you keep?
should carson walk?
what do you think of devlin? and other board members? reeves?
what fundamental changes do you think we need to turn our fortunes around?

thanks


1. yes, and now. give the new man a few weeks to see who he wants to keep.

2. Realistically I'd keep Peacock, Nicholas, Migs, Ifil, CCP, Shakes, Whalley. I'd like to hang on to a few more (Evans, Sean etc) but I think they'll jump ship.

3. why should he? he's not milking us for a bit of pocket money, quite the opposite. no he's not proactive but he's not doing any harm.

4. I like and respect Devlin and think he's improved PR since his return, see above. Other board members I don't know enough about and won't claim I do so. Reeves is the most passionate man at the club, loyal servant and should've been manager anyway.

5. Nothing fundamental. Do the basics right; reasonable prices, players who care and a relatively experienced boss.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:21:52
thanks

so who at of the current pool of unemployed managers would you like to see replace iffy?

some other people claim iffy should be given more of a chance bystill being in charge next season but im not convinced, all of his loan signings on the whole have been shocking which can make or break your season at this level. secondly he hasnt instilled any discipline in the squad and im sure i can roll out a few more reasons why he should go but can be bothered

over to you dave !


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:28:31
The discipline one is what gets me too, you're spot on. Too matey with the players.

I'd give it to Reeves.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:31:48
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
The discipline one is what gets me too, you're spot on. Too matey with the players.

I'd give it to Reeves.

then nothing would change!
i think the problem is that all three coaches are in their first jobs.
i'd love macari back myself


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:40:38
i agree. macari had tremendous discipline and achieved a great deal here but could it be repeated? would he want to come back?

he had an excellent rapport with the fans and his reappointment may well see many old fans return to the CG

Bring back Macari !!!!


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:42:30
Never going to happen though. Be realistic you said.

Some spastic was telling Devlin to re-sign Sam Parkin, what a fucking mong.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:44:25
serious? re sign parkin? unbelievable !! u sure he wasnt actually a spastic?!

why is the idea of getting macari back unrealtistic?

isnt he unemployed at the mo? if so, wouldnt he jump at the chance of getting back into managment? he would also be free (except wages obviously) being a free agent n all


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:46:02
Even if we did resign Macari whose to say it would work?

It's like going on about Parkin, yes legends but that's going backwards.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:48:59
i wouldnt say its going backwards, its more to do about selecting a manager whose attributes best suit the problems we face

ie. macari was and still would be a disciplinarian...which is actually what we need

and he is experienced

and why would getting macari back be unrealistic?!


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:50:08
Could we afford him?


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:50:09
and i expect he had loads of good contacts at the top for young loan signings like jimmy davis, james milner etc  

not bloody albert jarret and that mong mcphee


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:53:10
winkleman is scum.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFC Village on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:53:34
Quote from: "STFCere"
and i expect he had loads of good contacts at the top for young loan signings like jimmy davis, james milner etc  

not bloody albert jarret and that mong mcphee
Lets get King back


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:54:51
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
winkleman is scum.


blighted.

i don't agree with what he's done but that doesn't detract from how he came across yesterday. i personally thank him for chatting with me. more than i got from onoura or our players.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:57:52
spending a couple of minutes chatting to you doesn't detract from the fact that what he has done to wimbledon is abhorrent.

although credit to him for talking to you, he didn't have to and there are certain people at this football club who wouldn't do the same.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 11:59:50
bringing king back would be an awful decision

it would further piss off many fans and reduce the gate even further

we need an experienced manager with lots of contacts at the top, who can work on a shoe string budget and will discipline the squad

iffy should go back to managing the little boys team

if not macari then someone like him please


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DMR on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:01:38
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
spending a couple of minutes chatting to you doesn't detract from the fact that what he has done to wimbledon is abhorrent.

although credit to him for talking to you, he didn't have to and there are certain people at this football club who wouldn't do the same.


but wimbledon were fucked anyway. plus it's not my club i don't really care.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:01:39
oh and anyone calling for macari to return is absolutely insane. he's been out of football for ages and didn't he nearly get huddersfield relegated in his last managerial position?

i'd welcome him back in an advisory role to iffy or anyone else as manager, but not in the role himself. i think that'd be absolutely disastrous.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFC Village on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:02:45
STFCere, do you not recognise sarcasm when you see it? I was merely pointing out that you had used 2 King signings, as examples of decent wheeling and dealing


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DV on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:03:33
part of me agrees with you youth, hes been out the game for ages

part of me thinks getting him back in would a good idea, because if ever there was a time to return to the 'old school' managerial style, now was the time


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:05:16
ooooh i get it! sorry village  :oops:

im hungover


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:06:00
i don't think the old school style of management works anymore to be honest.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: STFCere on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:07:21
so sonic who would you have ?


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: DV on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:08:27
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
i don't think the old school style of management works anymore to be honest.


I dont think the new style works at all either.....

I'd rather be hearing stories of our players being made to cycle to training or being dragged out of bed on their days off to run up and down hills, than stories of which night club they were in the previous night


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 12:11:29
i'd keep iffy for now. in all fairness i don't really know who is available but i'd rather see someone relatively experienced in the lower divisions just to keep us from sliding down into the conference.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: dogs on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 13:04:28
They tried getting Macari in 2002 when all the Machin stuff was going on, but Macari refused saying it wasn't the right time. Don't know if he would come back, but surely would be worth a try - couldn't be any worse could it.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: lumpimynci on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 15:16:58
I know a lot of you are in your early 20's or even younger, so perhaps it's understandable that you might look back on the Macari era with fondness, but a lot of us that supported the club then don't see him through such rose coloured spectacles. (Some do still worship him but I'd guess they are in a minority).

What everyone should remember is that, whether people like it or not, at the root of the current financial position of this club, is the behind the scenes fiddles that were going on during the time when Hillier was Chairman and Macari was manager.

Being denied promotion after winning the play-offs under Ossie, after agreeing big contracts with players, together with the fines that were imposed, fucked us good and proper. We've never recovered from it. And Macari was right at the heart of all those dodgy deals.

I personally never really forgave him for failing to publically support Chris Kamara when he chinned someone for racially abusing him. But that's by the by.

Alongside all that, regardless of the results, some of the football was actually a bit shit. It worked in the bottom divisions, but I never thought we were good enough under Macari to go all the way to the 1st.


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: McLovin on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 19:24:50
I think the fact Devlin went down to the dugout in the second half speaks volumes. I dunno what it says, but i think it means something...


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, April 16, 2006, 19:30:46
Devlin hasn't found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. He should hand in his resignation  :D


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, April 17, 2006, 18:42:32
i hate that cunt who owns that Franchise piece of shite!


Title: Pete Winkleman
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, April 22, 2006, 14:19:36
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "sonicyouth"
spending a couple of minutes chatting to you doesn't detract from the fact that what he has done to wimbledon is abhorrent.

although credit to him for talking to you, he didn't have to and there are certain people at this football club who wouldn't do the same.


but wimbledon were fucked anyway. plus it's not my club i don't really care.


It's blinkered, narrow minded rubbish like that ('it's not my club...' that allows slimey club stealers like Winkleman to get away with it.  You're missing the point.  Last time it wasn't our club, but next time it could be.  It's in every fan's interests that Winkleman's Franchise experiment fails horribly, because if it succeeds there will be an incentive for more of his type to try it elsewhere...like Swindon, maybe.

Winkleman is a scumbag and deserves nothing other than the complete contempt of any right thinking football fan.