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Does anyone know if there are any plans afoot to stop the naming of blokes up in court on rape charges before they get convicted?

Just reading through the Adver, and noticed there was a cab driver been cleared of it, yet we know his name and address thanks to the current laws.

It's madness that in some cases a whole persons life can be turned upside down, reputations ruined, on the back of just a court case, not a conviction.

It is a bit crazy. With sensitive crimes like rape, general kiddy fiddling etc. there should really be annonymity until proven guilty.

It's a disgrace, that bloke has to live with the shame of that, even though he was proven not guilty, whilst the female who made the apparently flase allegations remains un-named.  This government should sort this out.

According to reports last week the government are taking steps to lock up more blokes, they are concerned at the lack of not guilty verdicts so they will change the law to make it easier to prove rape.

Soon enough you will need to ask the female to sign a consent form as men shouldn't have sex with women who have been drinking.  No one is concerned about the drunk fella who wakes up to frankenstein's monster in the morning though.

I would like to know what u have to do to get away with a caution. see some bitch knocked over my pint the other day......

There was a bloke that got charged for raping a 13 year old in Westbury, and before I'd read in the papers and realised that he lives very near to me. On the same road. A week or so later, they printed his name in the paper and I found out he used to be my friends old music teacher and on various occasions I had walked past him when walking back from school  :?

He was charged for it, but was it proven that he did it?

being accused of/charged with is different to being convicted of, that's the difference many people seem incapable of realising, preferring instead to jump to conclusions because that's how the sensationalist media portrays things.

Including the Government SY.

He got charged yeah. Thank god. Don't want the dirty bastard round here. Makes me sick.

that's precisely the point i was trying to make

was he charged?
was he convincted?
did he go to prison for it?
were the accusations dropped?

Charged does not mean he actually did it Sade.

I could accuse Sonic of raping my arse, if the police believed me and Sonic didn't have enough evidence in the way of an alibi, there's a chance he would be charged for it.

Then the prosection service would look into my allegations and decide whether to go ahead with the prosection.  

Doesn't make him a dirty bastard, it would just make me, the un-named one, a lying bastard.

Someone on Crimewatch last week got beaten and raped as he was (wrongly) accused of being a peadophile. His life has now been unfairly ruined.

Not sure if this was because his name and address had been made public, but still!

I can see what your all saying, and I suppose that if you look into it alot nobody really should be unfairly untreated if they have been accused of something as nobody really knows if they actually did or not. However, for people in my town it was instinct to think 'pervert' 'rapist', especially in a town like this where its happened before. But I can see what your trying to say now. Its clicked  :D

Nah, no smoke without fire. lock sonic away me thinks.

but that's wrong, whether instinctive or not.

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? was that ever actually true or am i being naive? it's invariably a case of guilty unless proven innocent now, which is a horrible aspect of human nature.

where's that bottle of paracetamol?

Your right, but it whats most people think at first isnt it ? Especially if they have children of their own. Nobody really looks into it enough.

I think we should name all rapists Jeremy :|

Or we only name them if they have a funny or usual, or apt name i.e. Ray Pist, Arthur Cock, Peter File etc

 :D

Kid. D. Fiddler

Ivor Hardonwhenilookatkids.

Kim fiddler, lets not be sexist  :?

Fanny Fiddler's his wife.

The only thing that can be argued for naming accused rapists is that it encourages people who have not reported an attack by the same person to come forward. I can only guess what being actually raped does to your head in terms of not wanting to tell someone for fear of being labled an idiot for leading someone on/not believed .

That said I don't agree. Personally i think it is absolutle terrible that peoples lives are ruined because of false accusations.  I don't think the accuser should be named unless found guilty of purjery (liying under oath in court). Women (and men) should not be put off reporting rape because there was not enough evidence to convict.

Anybody heard those annoing radio adverts, the ones that start off "getting laid, bonking, shagging..." and then go on to say "if you don't get a clear yes then the only word you can use is rape". Well sorry but that is bollocks.  "Mrs Batch, do I have your full permission to penatrate you roughly from behind". Blood hell what turn on eh.

Just wait til shes asleep mate. That way you dont have to ask, and wont have the fear of being prosecuted :D  :wink:

Whether meaning to or not, Sade has demonstrated exactly my point - you get accused, you are scum in most people's eyes. You are then found not guilty, yet your life is still in tatters

As for this consent thing, it's bollocks. If they have the presence of mind to jump into bed with you drunk or not, that should be 'permission' enough. I hope. :?  

:wink:

The alcohol excuse is pathetic.  Like I say how many blokes wake up in the morning seriously regretting it?  They have no get out clause, it seems a few ladies maybe able to cry rape with the cps' approval.

I would draft an agreement for my mrs to sign pre-sex, but I'd never get her to sign it.

Let's be honest if they can prove 110% that the bloke is innocent the woman should be charged for false allegations.

There is a major difference between being forced upon and being too drunk to remember what happened....

Its pathetic, if a drunken girl has sex and regrets it in the morning, its her own fault...firstly for getting so drunk she cant remember in the first place, and secondly for going back to the guys house/taking him back to her house.

So different, yet by the sounds of it, soon to be the same....

So if two drunk people have sex, does that mean they could both get the other one done for rape?

That new "if you dont get a yes it could be rape" bollocks really fucks me off.

It's probably a different rule for us blokes.

that was the point I was getting at, seems we dont have to consent to having sex...but woman do...and if they dont remember, its our fault

I dont get this whole "if you dont get a yes then it's rape!", i just hope the gf doesnt tell the Police.

As I've said before a lad I know was accused of a rape that he didn't commit and it didn't even get to trial yet his name was in the papers, dirty story chasing bastards the lot of them.  Proving that something good comes out of everything, when on Kilroy and asked how he felt about what had happened he said, "I'm just glad I got away with it really"  :D


This unfortunately is one of those problems where you have to try and commit the lesser of two evils, and I blame the local rag more than I do the courts.