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now in my book a captain has to be vocal. ideally to organise, or at least to encourage. now sean does niether, reeves used to scream all sorts, mostly bollocks, but it's get you going.

whats happened to him? he was the worst by a mile yesterday along with jack smith, he used to be fucking sound.

clearly being captian is too much for him,needs to concentrate on his own game as he is our best defender when focussed.

not it was all ifils fault, it always is  :roll:

When Stef was captain while Seano was out injured, we seemed a lot more vocal.
I would personally choose either Stef or Paul Smith as the captain.

Are you Kingy in disguise?  :wink:

 :D  sarcasm!

not always but on alot of occasions,how many times sent off this season?how many crucial errors that have led to goals?

 :soapy tit wank:

Lots. Granted.

But he's not on his own...

3 sendings off, no glaring erros since Iffy has taken over....


Anyways....SeanO is just a poor mans http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/images/NewsPictures/2002/January/28/spwrex16.jpg

Time to dust off those boots

Thats because his concentration levels are shit. Otherwise, he is a quality defender. How many crucial tackles has he made this season. The latest, Vs Gillingscum was brilliant.

before jim and santini start on ifil, his man was tyson and did he score?

has made loads of errors since iffy took over,most of his great tackles are from his original fuck ups.
he has improved lately but is still a liabilty.sent off.regular fuck ups shocking distribution.and positioning for goals conceded is awful on a regular basis.
if he cant concentrate then how can he be a quality defender?(complete contradiction)

Positioning, distribution and fuck ups apply to all the back 4 not just Ifil. Yes his concentration is an issue but at least he's got the pace to back it up.

I said apart from his lack of concentration, he is a quality defender i.e. good tackler, very good pace, very good strength, good marker etc. But yeah his distribution is pretty poor.

agree he is not the only poor defender,but i think if he wasn't as quick as he is he wouldn't be a pro footballer,he lacks many basic qualitys.

nice examples used there to back up your point, ala none!

i cant list all his fuck ups but generally his positioning is poor(watch replays of goals conceded).distribution is poor(90% of the time)
doesn't hold back line well,gets sent off,gives away need less free kicks after losing possession(regularly).
has electric pace that gets him out of trouble though(sometimes)
but he generally lacks concentration.
and as i have said before if he wasn't quick would be a park player.

 :roll:

Distribution I'll give you, it isnt great....but if you want perfect defending go watch Chelsea.

You talk about Ifil as if, he is the only one who makes mistakes, at the moment he is the best of a terrible bunch.

i suggest you read posts thoroughly then make comments about them.
ifil is by no means the only poor player but he has a habit of making crucial mistakes (already listed).surely there is no denying that?
furthermore he has been sent off 3 times this season,bad luck or bad mistakes?any pro should be able to pass the ball!
i dont need to give examples of fuck ups as it happens on a regular basis.
having said that he had greatly improved in recent matches but his and the most of the team in general have lost the form they had recaptured.
for me the only one who has made a rapid increase in form is cureton.

3 red cards, all for two yelllows. Seen them all Donny was harsh, first yellow yesterday was harsh. 2nd yellow at Brentford made no sense to me....anyway

so, you say Ifil makes fuck ups on a regular basis, so regular you cant even remember when the last one was?

he looses possession every game,kicks the ball into oblivion every game,go's missing every game,doesn't hold the line every game.
is that enough for you.
luckily alot of his mistakes go unpunished, others dont.
getting sent off 3 times isn't unlucky

i wouldnt blame Sean o or Jerel .. they were left exposed

Paul Smith as captain, alot more experienced and stronger (only by a bit sean'o) :D

its not easy for the centre backs when we had shit centre midfielders, the centre backs have to close down the opposition centre midfielders while still trying to mark the centre forwards

didn't go to forest but have seen the goals on tv, and ifil looked out of position for a few of them. same as against rotherham he doesn't mark goal-side at corners! is he told to do this (zonal marking) or does he just do it because he's a retard?!

the centre-backs cant be blamed for everything though, and as someone else pointed out all the goals came from their midfield. why weren't we tracking their runners!? the sooner paul smith's back the better. sort it out iffy!

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The Times
27-02-06
Blinder: Nicky Southall
Stinker: Jerel Ifil
 8)

Nicky Southall's a right winger isn't he? I wonder who usually bothers marking right wingers... :wink:

Is it just me or is anyone else a little concerned that we're pinning all of our survival hopes on one fella, Paul Smith, who's only really had a good couple of games.  Don't get me wrong I like the look of the bloke but I don't think I've seen enough of him to tell whether his contribution will keep us up.

we have to cling on to whatever hope we can.

I think CCP will be an important player for us.He's young and inexperienced but every time I've seen him he's been an example to the so-called "more experienced " players.Just one thought from Sat.Why is no one slating Peacock for that unbelievable miss which would have put us back in the game.That was fucking shocking for someone "allegedly" on 3k a week.

Maybe because he's been the only one trying recently?, i didnt go Saturday so i cant comment on what he was like but from what i could make out when they interviewed him after the game is that he actually does give a fuck about this club.

I didnt want to comment on the Peacock miss because Rory would have scored it!!

It was right up the other end, but it looked easy enough to me...could be wrong.

He's banging them in for Swansea isnt he.

ifs buts maybe's

but he was banging them in for us!!

I dont think Peacock put in any more effort than anyone else.Its all very well saying things after the game to make it sound as you give a fuck but his performance didn't say that to me.Not singling him out though.

He played right mid and started diagonal runs from deep, so by the time he was in our box his marker should have been ... Ifil :wink:

not if hes marking tyson  :shrug:, who incidentally didn't score.

not like the midfield gave any support either

shut up, idiot

Ifil is supposed to mark everyone!!

Just be satisfied with him marking his own man properly for a change.

You mean like that Nathan Tyson guy who scored 0 goals on Saturday....

I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of shit that most, if not all, of Ifil's bookings and sendings off have come when he's playing in a zonal defense.

It's well documented by now that when he's asked to play a man marking role he's able to turn in excellent defensive performances.

However, and here's the rub, whenever he has to think about who his man is at any stage in a game his lack of concentration and lack of positional awareness become glaringly obvious. Any team with strikers that constantly criss cross and midfielders that bomb on will inevitably cause Ifil to go into "headless chicken" mode.

So the problem isn't that Ifil has to mark everyone. It's that he has great difficulty making his mind up which one of the opposition is his man.

maybe the others should help him out more, or maybe our defence could try talking to each other....

Surely our captain should be bossing Ifil and telling him who to mark.

Are you American?

First things first. He's old enough now to have got to grips with the responsibilities of being a central defender. We're not talking about a twelve year old kid here.

Secondly Sean O'Hanlon never has been vocal enough to be Ifil's on-pitch carer. This season he's had to worry far too much about his own game to have any spare capacity left to think for Ifil.

As an aside I never have thought of Sean as a captain.

No matter how good, or old you are you still need someone to organise the defence, even if its just to double check everyone is marking who they are supposed to....we lack a defender with enough expirence to do that, we need an older head...another Alan Reeves if you will.

I do agree than SeanO isnt captain material, I dont think we have a 'captain' in our squad to be honest.

It was never my intention to pass myself off as an American, but I can see why my butchering the English language might lead you that conclusion.

Paul Smith could be a good captain.

main word is 'could'...

Dont see why not he has gone it at the Jills for years, the only problem is....that will not organize our defence. We still needed an expirenced leader in central defence.

I agree that you need a leade at the back. In my limited experience of football, it makes life so much easier....especially when it is me!
If somebody is checking that everybody is marked then it makes life easier and it makes it EASIER TO CONCENTRATE if you are given a man to mark

He wasn't marking Tyson at set pieces. How many goals did they score with free headers in our 6 yard box while Ifil was on his heels ball watching instead of getting in amongst them?  Same goes for Sean.

The point is R4E, that Ifill is a proffessional footballer who probably earns the best part of £100k a year to defend. you are not.

If he needs someone to tell him exactly what to do for 90 mins then he should give up now.