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Must have someone lined up surely

As soon as Austin came in it undermined Lindsay.....now to get someone who can get us out of this league

Various people suggesting on Twitter that he jumped rather than any push.

That would not surprise me.

Whilst I agree a change was probably for the best, I do not understand those on social media who are publicly celebrating somebody who’s lost his job. Scott genuinely cares about our club, worked hard and has been through a lot the past few years. The only feeling I take away from this is one of sadness that it didn’t work out. I was so happy for him after Mansfield. Hope he does well wherever he goes.   

If the rumours are true he didn’t lose his job, he jumped. I just hope he’s not being paid in crypto

Whilst I agree a change was probably for the best, I do not understand those on social media who are publicly celebrating somebody who’s lost his job. Scott genuinely cares about our club, worked hard and has been through a lot the past few years. The only feeling I take away from this is one of sadness that it didn’t work out. I was so happy for him after Mansfield. Hope he does well wherever he goes.   

Whilst I agree a change was probably for the best, I do not understand those on social media who are publicly celebrating somebody who’s lost his job. Scott genuinely cares about our club, worked hard and has been through a lot the past few years. The only feeling I take away from this is one of sadness that it didn’t work out. I was so happy for him after Mansfield. Hope he does well wherever he goes.  

Completely agree, he has a good coaching pedigree but it has not worked out in the managers chair, would wish him well in the future and would not be against him returning one day as a No 2 as he clearly has an affinity for the club.

Not being funny, but does he have a good coaching pedigree?  He was responsible for the biggest area of weakness last season, defensive coaching.  Not sure he has much in years gone by either, CV wise.  Plus, I have an affinity for the team, please don't give me the job, for the sake of the club.

Was about to say the same thing, the good coach thing seems a bit of a myth with nothing on his CV suggesting anything other than average lower league youth coach. It seems a lot of peoples opinions of his coaching ability is based on sentiment rather than the facts at hand.

Crawley rumour is based on a fake Twitter post isn't jt

Whilst I agree a change was probably for the best, I do not understand those on social media who are publicly celebrating somebody who’s lost his job. Scott genuinely cares about our club, worked hard and has been through a lot the past few years. The only feeling I take away from this is one of sadness that it didn’t work out. I was so happy for him after Mansfield. Hope he does well wherever he goes.   

I think of the abuse he received from fans in person and via various media channels played in his decision to quit.

Not being funny, but does he have a good coaching pedigree?

I think of the abuse he received from fans in person and via various media channels played in his decision to quit.  I suspect Jamie Day will take over the 1st team coaching whether that's for an interim period remains to be seen.

Nothing from the club as yet, I wonder whether after all the shite they got in the summer they are waiting to get the successor signed up before making an announcement, missed the 5 O'Clock opportunity today.

Indeed, it is one thing to question managerial credentials and another to label him some of the things that have been written by the childish prats on social media

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/01/05/exclusive-swindon-towns-scott-lindsey-set-for-new-club/

Ryan Whelan also

Lindsey was going to get the boot this week and he knew it, so has approached Crawley.
Can’t blame the bloke to be honest.

This feels like either Tansmedia's greatest moment or the most ridiculous true story of the year. At least when Flitcroft ditched us for Mansfield they actually *had* money.

This feels like either Tansmedia's greatest moment or the most ridiculous true story of the year. At least when Flitcroft ditched us for Mansfield they actually *had* money.

Hopefully Sandro follows him out the door.

Imagine being a Crawley fan.

Well, if it’s Conroy getting paid per header it’s probably cost them nothing so far

From the Guardian on an article about Crawley

Dom Telford is apparently on a bonus for winning the ball back in the opposition half, and a proposed contract for a summer centre-back target included a bonus per header

He’s on a crossfield pass bonus

I must confess to not being that up to date on the detail at Crawley, isn't the problem that they seem entirely clueless about football and prone to ridiculous knee jerk decisions the main issue rather than a suggestion that they don't have money.

I'm reading it as knowing the chop was coming + closer to home + whilst realisation its a joke club also realisation that signing a decent length contract will lead to hefty pay off = taking a flyer on it.

Does anyone know what sort of length contract he had here?

Still no official comment, was it just too late to get an announcement out or do we think they are waiting to announce a new manager at the same time

Talks about compensation with Crawley I’d imagine.

I just think Crawley was a lucky opportunity. He lives in Kent and his family weren’t happy about the ‘commute’.

Being reported he has signed a 2 and a half year contract with Crawley.

Glad he’s gone. Glad he’s got another job.

Being reported he has signed a 2 and a half year contract with Crawley.

Glad he’s gone. Glad he’s got another job.

Same. I don't harbor any dislike for the man, ala Sheridan. But he wasn't up to the job. Good luck to him at Crawley

Echo the same sentiments as the few posters above.
Unless he costs us promotion last game of the season.

Apologies if this has been mentioned, does anyone know how long SL’s STFC contract was?

Still no official comment, was it just too late to get an announcement out or do we think they are waiting to announce a new manager at the same time

Apologies if this has been mentioned, does anyone know how long SL’s STFC contract was?

Pretty sure I heard it was 3 years

Agree completely, win win

Pretty sure I heard it was 3 years

Imagine if his contract was paid up here then walked straight into another job.....happy days Scott😀

Why would we pay up the contract of a member of staff who resigned?

Has it been confirmed that he's resigned?

Left before he was pushed i think

Has it been confirmed that he's resigned?

Left before he was pushed i think

How could it be, its not even been confirmed he has left, however resignation is circulating strongly within the departure rumours.

If that's the case good on him, could have hung around till he got the chop and screwed us for 2.5 years wages.

That's just it nothing confirmed just speculation.

I'd think the rumours would have been pooh-pooh'd by formal or informal channels by now if it wasn't happening.

Garner took an age to confirm too. Suspect there is some sort of compensation dialogue ongoing, or he's read his Crawley contract and is querying his player box entries only count if singing Living in a Box by Living in a Box bonus clause

I'd think the rumours would have been pooh-pooh'd by formal or informal channels by now if it wasn't happening.

Garner took an age to confirm too. Suspect there is some sort of compensation dialogue ongoing, or he's read his Crawley contract and is querying his player box entries only count if singing Living in a Box by Living in a Box bonus clause

Like the Garner deal, i imagine they are sorting compensation. Mental.........Compensation

Out of interest where did the love for Lindsey come from? Did I read recently his kids watch in the townend or something? Does he have a connection to Swindon?

I don't dislike him and was desperate as with all town managers for him to succeed. A lot of reaction is like he's everyone's best mate and not sure what I'm missing.

He's been involved with the club for a number of years (on and off) including work with the youths, if you missed that part

He was appointed as the under 18s manager at Swindon Town in the summer of 2014.[15] In June 2016 though he left Swindon to take on the role of assistant manager at Forest Green Rovers.[

thanks, i didn't know that. assumed he was just part of garners management team and then left behind.

just found this on wiki. i had looked at his page previously but it didnt come under management positions and didn't read the article.

I'm hoping that losing just the manager and not the DOF as well will mean its a quicker process.  As it would make sense that a new DOF would have needed time in the summer.

If clem/SDM/angus  were competent they’d be maintaining a shortlist of potential managers, so recruitment shouldn’t take too long as targets will be readily identified

Sadly, I don’t believe they are competent. Think this might be us for a few weeks yet

Would you want the current DoF/Technical Director overseeing the recruitment of a new manager after the balls up he made of the summer? I know I wouldn’t.

I still expect both to leave.

On the bright side, we're into plum Friday Statement timing territory now. Swindon DNA.

Sometimes its about seeing who applies and which agents put their clients forward, its not always about knowing who to look for, tbh I'm sure we wont be approaching any manager already in a job sadly as I'm sure like most clubs at this level we wont want to pay compo.

Its about being able to do due diligence on those that are interested and speak to contacts in the game to get a feel of individuals and their reputation.

It cant take long as we need to be mindful the transfer window is open and we need players, not many players will sign without a manager in place, and to be honest you would want the manager to approve the signing of players as he has to work with them.

Would you want the current DoF/Technical Director overseeing the recruitment of a new manager after the balls up he made of the summer? I know I wouldn’t.

I still expect both to leave.

I would rather keep the current DOF than need a new one and a new manager in an important transfer window.  I'm sure SL wasn't the first choice, hopefully we get that this time.

I would say our overall transfer business has been good in the summer.

I wish I could share your optimism.

Sadly the demise of the Friday Statement is just another example of faceless businessmen taking over clubs and totally ignoring their history and traditions stretching back generations.

We don't know if Lindsay was sacked or walked. If he walked, it wasn't planned so the relevant people will need time to get the advert out.

I am honestly intrigued - how so?  To my mind it looks an absolute shit show vs. what I would expect for our club to attract at this level.  It seems underpinned by a strategy I can understand, but not support as being useful for the immediate term needs.  Like we swayed far too much to the future and not nearly enough on the fact we are in Div 4 and really should be expecting to get promoted, this season.  It often beffudles me that I see something as the polar opposite of someone else - so would like to know why!?

Sky saying Crawley are after Sam Saunders to be manager

Its going to be Gunning in charge isnt it

Can I just ask something that I think might be important.................

Has he really gone?

Has anyone actually corroborated the Peter O'Rouke report?

Its going to be Gunning in charge isnt it

Its going to be Gunning in charge isnt it

Sky saying Crawley are after Sam Saunders to be manager

cute smokescreen :)

Lindsey and Garner both still top the bookies’ list for Crawley.

Like having to choose to get fingered by either Captain Hook or Edward Scissorhands

TBH as long as SL has resigned from here I don't really care who manages Crawley.

My brother is undet the impression they are 100% gone anyway

There would be no way back for him regardless. No one believes he didn’t speak to Charlton in the summer, no one believes he was 1st choice and now with this whole fiasco there’s no way he’d have any support amongst the fanbase especially in combination with the god awful football. He’s done here, Clem would have to be beyond naive to think he could keep Lindsey in post.

Would you want the current DoF/Technical Director overseeing the recruitment of a new manager after the balls up he made of the summer? I know I wouldn’t.

I still expect both to leave.

A significant minority of our fan base would still tell you he's a nice guy, get behind him, I promise you.

No they wouldn't, not now.

A significant minority of our fan base would still tell you he's a nice guy, get behind him, I promise you.

if a new manager came in and we got some form and promotion then the recruitment was fine. im going to reserve a bit more judgement as I think a lot of our issues were the management and not so much the personel. brynn, clayton, khan, wakeling, FBT, hutton are really good players for me. not exactly all misses by any stretch

if a new manager came in and we got some form and promotion then the recruitment was fine. im going to reserve a bit more judgement as I think a lot of our issues were the management and not so much the personel. brynn, clayton, khan, wakeling, FBT, hutton are really good players for me. not exactly all misses by any stretch

Practically,  all the players from last season have regressed as well under this seasons regime. Reed, Iandolo, Williams.

That tells you the most about Lindseys part in it, in my opinion. Although I'd probably prefer we were shot of Sandro as well in all honesty.

This.

I’d give all the players recruited in the summer a chance under a new manager before judging.
Adeloye has really been the only huge miss (and that could be down to lack of game time) Hutton, Lavinier, MacDonald, Clayton, Brennan, FBT, Khan, Darcy, Jephcott, RHM, Shade, Wakeling have all shown enough for me to suggest they’d do better under different tactics.

Practically,  all the players from last season have regressed as well under this seasons regime. Reed, Iandolo, Williams.

I don’t think you can say Williams has regressed. I think he hit more goals in his first few games than all of last season (but faded a bit since then admittedly). Can’t argue about the others though.

Khan is not a mainstay of a top three L2 team, not yet, maybe never.
Hutton is very good going forward for this level, not so good in defence
Wakeling is someone who we can develop, not a top three talent right now
FBT=Rob Hunt, a relaible L2 level player.  I'd have him in a squad going for promotion, but he is loaned from a L1 team for a reason.
Clayton - similar to Wakeling but with a bit more about him now, a good signing
Brynn - the only one I'd like for the league above right now (not dismissing Wakeling, just that Brynn looks like he would be good higher up the leagues even right now).

It's not a terrible bunch, but it shows why we are not in the Automatic hunt if those are the best of what we brought in.  If they have a few seasons behind them, they may all be better.  I'd be happy with them all IF they were sprinkled in on top of players who are ready right now.

none of those are bad players so i don't think sandro can be blamed for those which was the original point.

sprinkle those on top of players that are ready now: well we have reed, jephcott, williams and austin that should walk into any team in league 2 and would probably get some game time in the league above.

we all know that hasnt been the case and im looking forward to seeing how a new manager can make it click. if nothing changes then its validated

I am not arguing they are bad players, just not good enough to improve what we had.  What we had was not good enough to get promoted and getting promoted should be the absolute top priority for any season in Div 4 for our club.

Austin appears an outlier - Clem seems to have taken the bull by the horns on that one.

Regressing might have been a better term. The World Cup holiday came at the completely wrong time for him & for us imo

Williams to me, isn’t getting involved enough (or as much as he was early season) but I put that down to tactics / formation / style of play rather than Williams personally.

last season we were good enough for promotion. i don't how we managed to recruit that 2 weeks before the season but we did.

But we were not promoted, which is a failure under normal circumstances.

We did not replace what we lost with equal quality (based on evidence thus far - bar maybe one central defender and a GK) and we certainly did not enhance the quality we ended the season with (nobody we have signed is better than last seasons equivalent based on what we have produced - Austin could be, who knows).

Can anyone actually confirm if he has left or if the club are trying to convince him to stay or anything in between? The radio silence from the club is frustrating.

I heard we're trying to get some money for him walking away from his contract.
I know it's not my money, but I'd have just agreed he can go for free and chalk it up to experience

Convince him to stay?

Good God, I couldn’t contemplate that!

I read on Twitter that the club can’t make an announcement until he is actually appointed by Crawley, which hasn’t happened yet. I presume this avoids any suggestion he has been sacked.
As I understand it, SL would need permission to speak to another club, Swindon probably asked Crawley to agree a compensation figure first - once that was done SL was interviewed. But until he is formally appointed elsewhere we protect our own position by not saying SL has left.
The delay / silence is frustrating for us a fans, and of course the timing - with its impacts on the transfer window activity - is a nightmare.
There may also be a risk that Crawley appoint someone else, meaning we are then left with SL in what would be an untenable position given the noise of the past two days  - regardless of individuals’ views on whether it was time for a change anyway.

The way things are run at Crawley nowadays, I wouldn’t assume he’s going to be appointed there until it’s formally announced. They seem to be complete cowboys.

Reading the Coaches Voice article, I really like the sound of Artell though. In a similar vein to Eddie Howe, he’s had time out, reflected and (at least says that) he has a clear vision, which we’ve lacked. No idea how credible the suggestion that he’s joining us is. Does anyone know who he has used as no 2 in the past?

I get that and it makes sense, but if he has said he wants to talk to Crawley and has left his position that surely doesn't stop the club from announcing his departure or naming his successor does it? Or is it a legal HR thing?

Lindsey isn't leaving is he?

Yea, he is, don’t panic.

The same shite happened in the summer with Garner didn't it, what us different with us compared with other clubs?

The same shite happened in the summer with Garner didn't it, what us different with us compared with other clubs?

Sorry but all sounds like bollocks to me, so the rumour he resigned appears to be nonsense and we can't even announce that he is talking to Crawley and will join if a deal is made, this is despite over the years literally 100's of clubs have been asked by other clubs for permission to speak to their mangers and have happily announced that its happening.

The same shite happened in the summer with Garner didn't it, what us different with us compared with other clubs?

The other person touted for the Crawley job Sam Saunders has confirmed he isnt interested in it and is staying as a coach at brentford

Sorry but all sounds like bollocks to me, so the rumour he resigned appears to be nonsense and we can't even announce that he is talking to Crawley and will join if a deal is made, this is despite over the years literally 100's of clubs have been asked by other clubs for permission to speak to their mangers and have happily announced that its happening.

The same shite happened in the summer with Garner didn't it, what us different with us compared with other clubs?

Where did the original Lindsey had gone scource come from🤔

sky sports reporter

sky sports reporter

it's natural when such a rumour surfaces with unexpected reasons attached to seek official confirmation.

Of course the club are acting correctly. What would they gain by withholding information they were free to share?

Just waiting for the kiss & tell stories 😀

Theres seeking and there is being silly though. Some of the usual shit being thrown around is just stupid

No. You’re waiting for the grey smoke to rise from the Burger Vent in the Arkells to signify a new leader of our crab regimented team.

yeah I don't disagree.

some people seem to think transparency mend divulging every confidential or materially/commercially damaging information

No. You’re waiting for the grey smoke to rise from the Burger Vent in the Arkells to signify a new leader of our crab regimented team.

I was there the last time it happened in 79 v Spurs!

it's a pasty and sausage roll vent now don't you know

So was I. Tasty pitch invasion too by the Spurs. The Town End boys just about stopped them jumping over the perimeter fence.
I don’t condone such behaviour but what an atmosphere. Sitting in the Town End these days it’s hard to imagine such things happened.

I was there the last time it happened in 79 v Spurs!

Most of them were already in the Town End if I remember. Unlike the Arsenal fans

Yes that's how I remember it as well, both north London club fans seemed to like the idea of having a go via the pitch. I guess the fencing and away pens were erected soon after, can't remember exactly when.

In an attempt to get back on the thread I will add my bit. With the passing of each day and fans not hearing anything from the club I am starting to think its history repeating itself. Is it me or do most other clubs get such situations sorted out a lot quicker than us. Whilst I understand the need to follow protocol etc it does seem we procrastinate more than most. Once again we appear to be missing out on any suitable transfer deals and will thus miss the opportunity to strengthen our squad further. At least we don't have to worry about cocking up pre season this time !   

It’s just weird that Lindsey’s supposed exit is a mirror of Garner’s. Lots of rumour and speculation followed by silence from the club. Just an acknowledgment of the situation would do.

I really don’t get the need for a club update.

This is where Twitter/social media causes problems. 6/7 years ago, no one would know any different until something was announced.
I really don’t understand our fans need for an update. Why does it make any difference? 

If it wasn't true, the club would deny it, at the very least through ITKers.

If it is true, the club won't comment until it's done.

So it's pretty clear what is happening.

It was 1980.

Most of them were already in the Town End if I remember. Unlike the Arsenal fans

Spurs fans were grouped to the left hand side of the middle exit and what I remember Arsenal fans were outside the same exit at the end of the game.

We were right behind the middle exit in the Town End, so got a close up of the Spurs fans :)

I don’t remember seeing many Arsenal fans after the game, but we were in quite early so saw the ones that ran from the corner towards the TE, they didn’t get much farther than the halfway line, especially after someone fired a flare at them :D

I really don’t get the need for a club update.

This is where Twitter/social media causes problems. 6/7 years ago, no one would know any different until something was announced.
I really don’t understand our fans need for an update. Why does it make any difference? 

But that’s the point. It isn’t 6 or 7 years ago and, like it or not, social media makes a huge difference on how things are, or should, be done. It’s all part of the instant gratification era!

Nobody is asking for a blow by blow account of the Lindsey situation but, surely, a bare bones acknowledgment isn’t too much to expect. The club uses social media for almost everything else, why not this?

Nobody is asking for a blow by blow account of the Lindsey situation but, surely, a bare bones acknowledgment isn’t too much to expect. The club uses social media for almost everything else, why not this?

The problem is, the club give a one liner, it will cause a stir and won't be enough, then people will be moaning that the one liner isn't enough.  It's best to either say nothing or say it all - nothing is the right thing to do as things can change quickly.

It happens on here, people say something that they know/heard, and all of a sudden it's how do you know, who told you, post a link..  sometimes it's best to just say nothing until it's done.

Don’t be an snidy arse. Very JBZ

Exactly what I thought. JBZ in a new guise.

I guess there is all of Lindsey's entourage to sort out too.

I wonder how many will go with him and whether a new fella/woman will bring in their own staff?

Although his new moniker goes against everything he posted as JBZ. ‘I believe will we lose’

Did he choose his staff or were they dumped on him from above?

Did he choose his staff or were they dumped on him from above?

He chose them himself.

Not guilty.  I am sure that Gunning will be announced as manager for the rest of the season.

I think that Lindsey is going/has gone and that Gunning will see out the rest of the season. 

Something to look forward too!

They were offered to him

'to'

(Too = as well, Two = 2, To = A preposition often used before a verb or to show a relationship, range or motion plus countless other things)

I think that Lindsey is going/has gone and that Gunning will see out the rest of the season. 

(https://media.tenor.com/hU1NJTQUDcAAAAAM/stewie-gun.gif)

If that happens I won’t be back this season. Gunning is an absolute embarrassment who should be nowhere near the dugout.

This is where i get confused. I genuinely do not know what people want. What is the acknowledgement as such you want, what can they actually say

Jesus Christ!

Thanks four you’re imput

Monday Madness Means Management Mystery May Meander

Not sure whether it has any bearing on anything but the January Advisory Board meeting is scheduled to be today.

Update here apparently...

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/01/09/exclusive-update-scott-lindsey-to-crawley-town/

A compensation amount was agreed between the two clubs.

Crawley negotiated with the Swindon Town manager and agreed personal terms. Contracts were sent over and Lindsey was eager to make the move.

Crawley then withdrew the agreed offer and submitted one for approximately 30% of the previous agreed fee. It was felt the fan pressure would help push it through. Swindon rejected this offer. Lindsey contacted the Robins to push through a move.
.....

On Friday a 3rd offer was submitted by Crawley Town with approximately 50% of the agreed fee. Swindon Town accepted this offer to resolve the situation. The official acceptance was sent through on Friday. The Robin’s have begun interviewing candidates understood to include Chris Hughton. David Artell issued a “come and get me plea” to the club in exclusive quotes to TheRealEFL.

Crawley as of early this morning (Monday 9th January) are understood to have not responded. However Wagmi member and club Owner Preston Johnson teased something was happening on his personal Instagram story.

Not sure whether it has any bearing on anything but the January Advisory Board meeting is scheduled to be today.

Chris Hughton, blimey, I’d snap your hands off for that.

Chris Hughton, blimey, I’d snap your hands off for that.

I think Hughton is yesterday's man and would fail at Swindon.

Its tomorrow (Tuesday) not today

To be fair Ghana fans and players would disagree

To be fair Ghana fans and players would disagree

Surely we should take anything we can get for Lindsey? Compensation is a bonus

Surely we should take anything we can get for Lindsey? Compensation is a bonus

Hughton is a dreadful manager, no thanks!

Whats dreadful? Bags of experience, Premier League

Not a particularly good record. One of these like Mark Hughes who keeps getting jobs but not doing well.

Do we think there are any players that SL might attempt to take to Crawley once the managerial 'transfer' has been ratified?

Im not so sure, at least he has won stuff as a manager, unlike Hughes solitary one manager of the month.

Promoted to the PL twice, once as champions. Manager of the year twice.

Granted the last couple of years havent been great for him

Do we think there are any players that SL might attempt to take to Crawley once the managerial 'transfer' has been ratified?

Fucking hope so.

Fucking hope so.

Im not so sure, at least he has won stuff as a manager, unlike Hughes solitary one manager of the month.

Promoted to the PL twice, once as champions. Manager of the year twice.

Granted the last couple of years havent been great for him

FWIW I can't see him coming here, but I think we need to calm expectations a bit.

Every single job Hughton has had bar the Forest job under that ownership he has done superb in. Even up until 5 years ago he was keeping brighton and Norwich in the league. I would bite anyones hand off to get him in

Fucking hope so.

I bloody hope Crawley don't back out of this now.

I bloody hope Crawley don't back out of this now.

Breach of contract if we wanted to dismiss surely?

With who? The story seems to be that Crawley approached and asked to discuss with SL which we agreed to, the fly in the ointment seems to be Crawley fucking about with the compensation agreement. Now seems nothing to suggest that SL has actually resigned as yet so he hasn't breached anything, the only come back so far is possibly kick off at the EFL about Crawley's conduct in the process.

FWIW as it stands Lindsey seems to have been royally fucked over by Crawley unless they sort it out.  

Even if they do, I'm not sure Lindsay will remain at the helm. Gone to far past that now.

Manning or Artell would be more than adequate. Houghton is a bit more inspired. Just need to get it done.

If Houghton has been interviewed then he must be interested in coming here don’t you think. So IMHO he’s not out of our league. Far from it. We should be aspiring to get someone of his calibre here. We’re STFC FFS.

Has he been taking training in this time? I presume he hasn’t been

Agreed, but it'll potentially cost us money ..

Like Charlie Austin perhaps

Has he been taking training in this time? I presume he hasn’t been

So was all the stuff about him popping in to say his goodbyes not correct then?

I'd suggest if it costs us money there should/would be a counter claim made against Crawley by the club to cover these costs.

SL is going one way or another, either out the door or to Crawley.

He has said his goodbyes for sure and Mildy is taking training, i think with Gunning

Every single job Hughton has had bar the Forest job under that ownership he has done superb in. Even up until 5 years ago he was keeping brighton and Norwich in the league. I would bite anyones hand off to get him in

Imagine the indignity of a man of Hughtons standing and reputation reporting to a grown man who calls himself shandy

Houghton saw me in the CG car park a few years ago (5+) for an evening game, clearly scouting a player.

If Houghton has been interviewed then he must be interested in coming here don’t you think. So IMHO he’s not out of our league. Far from it. We should be aspiring to get someone of his calibre here. We’re STFC FFS.

Houghton saw me in the CG car park a few years ago (5+) for an evening game, clearly scouting a player.

Never signed you up?  ;)

Gunning won’t be leaving with Lindsey then?

Imagine the indignity of a man of Hughtons standing and reputation reporting to a grown man who calls himself shandy

Perhaps Hughton is being interviewed as DOF? Isn’t Morfuni a regular at White Hart Lane? Complete speculation, but perhaps he has met Hughton from his past involvement there. Hughton as DOF to a young manager (Manning) would be lovely (and probably light years ahead of our budget).

Bet Victor now taking odds.

Bet Victor now taking odds.

https://www.betvictor.com/en-gb/sports/240/meetings/441511110/events/1859539000/market_group/3538

Garner 8/1 second fav!

I doubt it’s the case, but this really would be an elite move having someone of Hughtons stature as a DOF - a proper football man, not some spreadsheet novice. 

*This is not an ITK post merely a musing*

What would people think if we gave Sandro the boot and brought Chorley back AND gave the Head Coach/Manager role to Garner?

*This is not an ITK post merely a musing*

What would people think if we gave Sandro the boot and brought Chorley back AND gave the Head Coach/Manager role to Garner?

No on Garner. It wasn't the fact he left, it was the applying for the job while in the middle of the Playoffs and leaving without even a word about the club. We essentially took him off the scrapheap, least show some gratitude.

I would take 2/3. Garner is a no for me. We need an appointment that the fans really get behind from day 1.

Our last 8 managers, let's not take hindsight into consideration have not really been something to get us all excited have they

Lindsey
Garner
McGreal
Sheridan
Wellens
Brown
Flitcroft
Williams

Artell 5/2 and next favourite Garner at 10/1.

Possibly a yes for Chorley but a no for Garner.

Incredible that we are going to be compensated for a Manager that was potentially a game away from the sack.
Chorley wouldn’t be back at Swindon.

Someone put their free bet on it.

Gunning won’t be leaving with Lindsey then?

Steve Bruce is available🤣

Hughton now 6/4. More free bets being utilised?

Note - you can also get Hughton to be the next England manager at the same odds!

Hughton coming in, Garner drifting out.

I had a look on Bet365 and they don't seem to have a market for it, they do have Austin at 200/1 for the L2 golden boot though.

There's a manager who wrote the book on compensation.

Hughton now 6/4. More free bets being utilised?

Note - you can also get Hughton to be the next England manager at the same odds!

Lindsey must have been highly recommended😀

Tbf, if both Lindsey and Garner are available it’s strange they’ve plumped for Lindsey. Mind you, Garner might not be interested.

If I was Lindsey I would want to know why Etherington was fired after 32 days and how can we forget he helped turn us over. Maybe he wasn't a yes man and voiced his opinion when Nichols was sold.

He walked

He walked

We seem to have a knack for this game. Wasn't Flitcroft the last one we got compo for, and we were about as happy to see the back of him as Lindsey? Or did we get compo for Garner? He could feck off too.

If only we could extend this skill to players.

Apologies I thought he was sacked.

If you ever needed evidence that Crawley are a backet case club, they watched our performance at their place and thought "Yeah, him. Go get him and pay money for him"

He was sacked.

Apologies I thought he was sacked.

Short term challenge will be Lindsey coming after a few of our players.

Short term challenge will be Lindsey coming after a few of our players.

Short term challenge will be Lindsey coming after a few of our players.

Not many that aren’t expendable.

Not many that aren’t expendable.

The last league game of the season could be tasty!

Short term challenge will be Lindsey coming after a few of our players.

Sure but all about replacing those if they decide to go.
Will be a very busy 3 weeks.

Swindon needing a win for the play offs, Crawley needing a win to stay in the League.
Bring it on 🥊

He was sacked.

Short term challenge will be Lindsey coming after a few of our players.

I am sure someone can hire a Dangerfields mini bus for the selected few.

Like who though? Wakeling and Clayton are under longer term contracts the rest could be easily replaced. On this occasion you’d be actively encouraging him to come poach players.

He will come in for Ellis, gets on very well with Gladwin too. 

He will come in for Ellis, gets on very well with Gladwin too. 

Short term challenge will be Lindsey coming after a few of our players.

Meh

He will come in for Ellis, gets on very well with Gladwin too. 

What about Reed

Absolutely no chance of that happening, no love lost between Reed and Lindsey.

Absolutely no chance of that happening, no love lost between Reed and Lindsey.

He will come in for Ellis, gets on very well with Gladwin too.  

I'd be slightly annoyed of Gladders went as I see him as someone who can unlock Austin

but like you said, it's all about the replacements. If we lost experience then I'd expect like for like replacement. But not sure it's easy in January

Therapy?

dragging on a bit now isnt it.

hopefully get the departure announcement early today and some clarity as to the plans for saturday... presumably Mildy taking the team if no manager in place? 3 important points up for grabs.

odds dont look to have moved at all for ~18 hours suggesting an appointment isnt imminent.

Suspect its gone a while to drag yet, once we have identified who we want then got to persuade them to take the job.

But its critical to act fast too, the window is open

It's been five days since the club tweeted *anything* other than a scheduled Carabao advert. Considering it's usually posting about great vibes six times a day, something is clearly up. I'm sure the duck is paddling furiously beneath the water but it's not ideal - and other clubs don't *seem* to act this way (although perhaps we're just not paying attention!)

the Austin homecoming/ pack the CG rhetoric has been well and truly derailed. the bank wont be needed.

Therapy?

Going nowhere?

If its more than 27p and a packet of monster munch then we've absolutely had it off. I'm completely incredulous we've got compo for him. Its not just the money we're getting from Crawley, its the money we're saving when he was clearly heading towards the sack.

Fantastic news.

Underwhelming. Though not sure anyone half decent would want to come to us at the moment.

This is a p155 take surely we do not need another fool at the club

I thought this was a spoof when I read it at first. He's only been managing for four and a half months and has lost more matches than he's won.
This constant changing is ridiculous. I think a gem might just have been unearthed in Darren Byfield and I'm hoping he'll be given a run of matches to prove himself.
There's nothing official regarding Lindsey yet as far as I can see. Let's hope the rumours are groundless.

33% win rate
2 wins in the last 9
Swindon fans seem happy he has gone

Sounds like it’s as good as confirmed… I really didn’t expect much but this is very deflating if true. He is no better than Betsy, Etherington, Young or Byfield.

A complete disaster if he is appointed. It suggests to me that the owners have really struggled to get anyone quarter decent. Stats are disasterous so even by their own standards this appointmemt would be stupid and baffling.

Let's be honest, Wagmi and Galley are absolutely f***ing clueless, and don't seem to care about the damage they are doing to our club.

I can only repeat my earlier remark:
A complete disaster if he is appointed. It suggests to me that the owners have really struggled to get anyone quarter decent. Stats are disastrous so even by their own standards this appointment would be stupid and baffling.
I doubt this is true, our owners aren't that silly are they? (or am I the silly one asking that?)

He can *** off and if he is appointed I hope the fans DO NOT back him and let the owners know what they think. "We want Lewis Young say we want Lewis Young" sing up Reds!

I thought Lindsey was sacked. Surely that means no compensation to pay?

I don't think so. I've been reading TheTownEnd.Com, the main Swindon message-board over the last few days and it looks like it is Lindsey's decision. Not that there are any tears at the Swindon end over his departure.
I really don't understand the Crawley owners. By all means sack Betsy if it looks like he isn't up to it. If you're not certain about Lewis Young then go for somebody else. But in Darren Byfield it looked like you'd struck lucky. Give him the next few matches to see what he could do. Why go for a man who has only been in the job since the summer and who has given no indication he's any great bent for it?

So, after an undistinguished playing career SC has had a brief and not particularly successful spell as manager of Swindon and now CTFC are apparently paying compensation to sign him when more experienced managers are waiting on the shelf.
Well done Preston !!

If Lindsey gets appointed any remnants of faith I have in WAGMI to get something right will disappear.
You are losing the fans here WAGMI, if you haven't lost the vast majority of them already!

Scott Lindsey may have had only a brief league career, but has been a progressive coach....
Lincoln City assistant manager / caretaker manager
Tamworth assistant manager
Swindon youth coach
Forest Green asssistant manager
Swindon manager...
Not given a chance by a toxic fanbase despite being top 8 for most of the season

Creepy fans delighted with his signing it seems.

https://ctfcfansforum.freeforums.net/thread/2360/scott-lindsey?page=2

Indeed, Lindsey, Garner, Wellens and Flitcroft all moving on for a manager fee in the last 5 years.

If it takes a few more days to ensure that the right appointment is made then so be it.

I remember Clem saying he wanted continuity and consistency at the club when Garner got the job, wishful thinking Clem.

Has he fucking gone yet? Just fuck off already

It's been five days since the club tweeted *anything* other than a scheduled Carabao advert. Considering it's usually posting about great vibes six times a day, something is clearly up. I'm sure the duck is paddling furiously beneath the water but it's not ideal - and other clubs don't *seem* to act this way (although perhaps we're just not paying attention!)

But why do they take the lead on it? If he’s signed and compo has been paid why can’t we just issue a statement saying ‘Lindsey has left the club’

So maybe we need to get to the bookies and put a few ££ on Gav Gunning or Mildy to get the job as no one else matches up.

If its someone already employed by the club again, then Clem will immediately fuck up every last bit of good will he's had. The returning fans will be gone almost instantly, baring any that have a season ticket. Once you can tolerate, twice not so much.

Would be a colossally asinine thing to do.

Isn’t there an Advisory Board meeting this evening?

Adver have just started a live blog FWIW.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23240574.swindon-town-latest-head-coach-situation-scott-lindsey-nears-exit/

It wouldn't be good for the club, but it would be funny as fuck if the announcement today was that Lindsey had signed a new contract!!

From the blog thingy!

WHERE IT STARTED

Last Thursday (Jan 5) at 3:43pm, football journalist Pete O'Rourke sent shockwaves around the town of Swindon after announcing on Twitter that Swindon Town head coach Scott Lindsey had left the club.

I can confirm that said shockwaves did not stretch to Cumbria. all I felt was a resigned shrug and a tedious feeling of deja vu...

JL: I'd expect Jamie Day and Gav Gunning to at least be offered the chance to follow Lindsey. Lindsey's aid Carl Laraman is likely to leave Swindon no matter what too.

I would imagine Mildenhall will remain as STFC GK coach.

Must admit Laraman's prescence had completely eluded me, sounds like some sort of emotional support dog. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23066310.swindon-town-bring-ex-arsenal-charlton-athletic-coach-carl-laraman-aid/

Following a lengthy spell in South London with the Addicks, Laraman spent over a decade in various roles at the Gunners before being suspended in 2018 amid allegations of bullying by academy players.


Sounds about right for the current/outgoing coaching setup

This comment and with Sheridans obvious  bully behavior
How do we expectsuccess for STFC

Possibly....
The ex Crewe guy sounds a sound type of potential manager.
End of the day it seems just a lottery  though.

Jonny Leighfield doesn't know any more than us does he? Same hypotheticals and speculation.

Forest fans have got wind of the Hughton possibility. Not one positive comment, sounds almost Sheridan esque.

Would Hughton bring his trusted coaches Calderwood & Trollope if he gets the job🤔

They worked under him before?

They worked under him before?

unfortunately not ......Trollope is assistant manager at Luton, joined in November

Difference is Hughton has been successful at more clubs than not.

unfortunately not ......Trollope is assistant manager at Luton, joined in November

Too many people saying they expect an in house appointment for my liking.

Do people know something or just got usual Swindon PTSD?

How does anyone know if Hughton has been interviewed if Lindsey hasn't officially left🤔

He has officially left. It just hasn't been announced.

He has officially left. It just hasn't been announced.

Sorry I meant yesterday or even earlier.

Waiting on other clubs tacky shite modern marketing style announcements to allow us to officially communicate things is becoming a past time.

Cue Scott Lindsey sitting down in a dark room to promise fast attacking football and be sacked in a matter of months, like Garner.

Bizarre that the club isn’t tweeting anything else though. A game on Saturday with Austin on his comeback. Would be a good idea to promote the game? Understand that they’re not able to tweet about the manager but BAU stuff could be tweeted? Nothing posted in 4 days

I reckon they’ll announce his replacement at the same time as his ‘cheerio’

Despite it being suggested that an announcement regarding Scott Lindsey would be made today, that has yet to arrive.

We will leave the blog open so that as and when any news breaks, this will be the place to see it.

I will shortly be off to the Thornbury Surfacing Stadium to watch Swindon's Wiltshire Premier Shield contest against Chippenham Town. Feel free to say hello if you're at the game. Kick-off is at 7:30pm, and Steve Mildenhall will be in charge of the Swindon team along with Gav Gunning.

If nothing happens tonight, check back here in the morning for further updates.

Those that keep hinting it'll be Gunning might be struggling. He can't even get the go ahead for interim boss in a Wiltshire Shield game.

how TF can we play a game without our head coach, but not acknowledge hes not in the dugout.  :crash:

Well this is fucking tedious.

Clearly not at done as made out. Even if it's simply an agreement of embargo with the ATC enthusiast we have no autonomy.

Club need to start communicating again. Total silence is stuffing the fun out of Austin's return.

I'm sure it'll be sorted before Saturday though

Perhaps Clem is selling up and Gunning will lead the team  :sherlock:

It is getting a bit strange, no mention of the game tonight, no mention of the Grimsby game Saturday urging us to buy tickets, it’s all a bit odd.

I was joking when I said Lindsey changed the SM password.

or was I accidentally not?

The lack of absolutely anything on twitter/SM is curious. Even if there is nothing going on the club usually send out half a dozen pictures of players in the gym/training or how good the pitch/ground looks, but we have the game on Saturday which they had built up to be the 'return of the King' and urging the CG to be packed and there has been absolutely nothing about that this week.

It does seem unusual?

it doesn't. it's clearly one of two things

1. they have implemented media blackout (maybe for fear of abuse for posting other stuff)

2. the admin has gone on holiday

If it was number 1, you could just post whatever you needed/wanted to and turn comments off.

Assuming the report that was put out yesterday saying compo had been agreed and paid was inaccurate -  unless Crawley decided to pay with NFT's of course and Sandro is trying to work out if he can use them to sign a player with - as we have still not heard anything about Lindsey leaving (or a Crawley confirmation of him taking over) or about the search for a new manager, you would hope that alongside the PR there will be interviews with the local press to discuss and update the fans on the way forward for the club.

This does seem like exactly how it happened with Garner leaving, rumours doing the rounds about Charlton, then they didn't want to pay the compo, then it was which staff he was taking with him, then we got the names leaked that was being spoken to about the job at stfc, and then Lindsey got given the job much to everyone's surprise.

So maybe we need to get to the bookies and put a few ££ on Gav Gunning or Mildy to get the job as no one else matches up.

The next manager has got a huge job to do, we need someone that is going to unite the fan base and play a brand of attacking football that stfc has a history off playing that will get the fans on the edge of their seats shouting and screaming and bringing back an atmosphere that has been sadly lacking.

Sorry to disappoint conspiracy theorists, but I suspect  the reason Newport tickets have been withdrawn is that Wales v Ireland in the rugby six nations kicks off at 2.15pm in Cardiff that afternoon- so probably a discussion about moving kick off time.

Ryan Whelan just tweeted that Artell hasn't been interviewed or contacted by STFC regarding the managers job.

Ryan Whelan just tweeted that Artell hasn't been interviewed or contacted by STFC regarding the managers job.

Hmmm, starting to get a bad feeling.

Ryan Whelan just tweeted that Artell hasn't been interviewed or contacted by STFC regarding the managers job.

Ryan Whelan just tweeted that Artell hasn't been interviewed or contacted by STFC regarding the managers job.

Other than publically announcing "come and get me", has he actually applied for the job or contacted the club?

I would really like this to be done today please.

The Lindsey out/to Crawley rumours started six days ago.

Although not to worry anyone but I looked back at the summer Garner/Charlton shenanigans to get a feel for that timeline. First rumours of Garner to Charlton were on May 25th, he wasn't confirmed there until June 8th, two full weeks later, and we didn't appoint Lindsay until a further 12 days after that, so 26 total days of drama.

The Lindsey out/to Crawley rumours started six days ago.

20 more days = 31 January 2023

We simply don't have that time.

We are 'Gav Gunning's Red & White Army!!!

Sandro would be wise enough to just STFU with the mess his last appointment made and the situation we currently find ourselves in.

Don't think you are alone. I had previously thought Ryan Whelan to be pretty on the money about these things and he tweeted about an announcement being made today but now when I read about what he said about Artell and what DMC has said, i'm less confident. 

Not a notion. It's difficult to know what's truth and fiction really with what Journos post on Twitter and the ITK, not so ITK people on here etc. Guess we'll find out eventually.

We are 'Gav Gunning's Red & White Army!!!

Sorry if I’m going over old ground here but was Lindsey’s appointment made by Sandro and no one else? As suggested by at least two people in this thread.
That doesn’t make sense.

Sorry if I’m going over old ground here but was Lindsey’s appointment made by Sandro and no one else? As suggested by at least two people in this thread.
That doesn’t make sense.

Sorry if I’m going over old ground here but was Lindsey’s appointment made by Sandro and no one else? As suggested by at least two people in this thread.
That doesn’t make sense.

Sandro might have been part of the interview panel and Sandro might have had say.
There is no chance in hell he was given carte blanche  to hire a manager in the summer.
Not having that one.

Hughton is a no. Talks broke down

Hughton is a no. Talks broke down

Maybe the ‘model’ is a crock of shit.

Maybe the ‘model’ is a crock of shit.

the model only works if the head coach is competent and in sync with a competent  DOF. If the model was easy, then every team would do it.

I'd like to see Sandro go and replaced with an executive with a strong football background to lead/support Clem/RA a bit in terms of football operations, long term strategy and staff recruitment - we seem really naive there..  but staying clear on  data driven models or deciding what players to buy , and of course support a good coach/manager. We need to get back to walking before running

I might be in the minority here but I'd rather see the model that was implemented by the club be given a good period of time to (hopefully) bear fruit. I completely get the doubts about the data driven model but if that's how the hierarchy see our path then I think we need to at least let it bed in before ripping it up and going down another road.

It's only really 6 months into that journey and of course it's not perfect but there are signs that we are looking to try and implement some stability into the squad. Long contracts for talented younger players is a great sign. Unfortunately this season on the pitch has been mainly turgid, but for me that's on Scott Lindsey who despite promising attacking football through the thirds appears to have become really bogged down with possession football in the 'wrong' areas and pointless stats. (the old favourite 'box entries)

I'm willing to see what happens in January with the next manager and recruitment of players. It would be nice to see a bit of stability, across all aspects of the football club.

Maybe the ‘model’ is a crock of shit.

Hughton always seemed like a strange fit, but it's a bit of a worry that managers keep meeting our hierarchy and then withdrawing their interest afterwards (if we believe it happened several times in the summer as well).

If there was anyone involved with an ounce of credibility in footballing terms I’d agree and look to give it time. But between Sandro, Clem and Angus there’s next to no real football experience in the club’s hierarchy and I don’t really trust them to make the right footballing decisions which undermines the whole model.

Also is it all too much too soon? Do we actually have the critical infrastructure (training ground, coaching depth, academy etc) to really make this work currently? Shouldn’t it be a steady build up rather than lurching to this approach all in one go? It feels like we put all our eggs in one basket based on nothing but hope as other than 6 months at Wigan there’s very little else to support such faith being given to Sandro. Also our supporters won’t and shouldn’t accept being a middling league 2 club whilst this approach matures, doing this as an established league 1 club would be much more acceptable to most.

the model only works if the head coach is competent and in sync with a competent  DOF. If the model was easy, then every team would do it.

I'd like to see Sandro go and replaced with an executive with a strong football background to lead/support Clem/RA a bit in terms of football operations, long term strategy and staff recruitment - we seem really naive there..  but staying clear on  data driven models or deciding what players to buy , and of course support a good coach/manager. We need to get back to walking before running

I might be in the minority here but I'd rather see the model that was implemented by the club be given a good period of time to (hopefully) bear fruit. I completely get the doubts about the data driven model but if that's how the hierarchy see our path then I think we need to at least let it bed in before ripping it up and going down another road.

It's only really 6 months into that journey and of course it's not perfect but there are signs that we are looking to try and implement some stability into the squad. Long contracts for talented younger players is a great sign. Unfortunately this season on the pitch has been mainly turgid, but for me that's on Scott Lindsey who despite promising attacking football through the thirds appears to have become really bogged down with possession football in the 'wrong' areas and pointless stats. (the old favourite 'box entries')

I'm willing to see what happens in January with the next manager and recruitment of players. It would be nice to see a bit of stability, across all aspects of the football club. I'd like to give Sandro and team longer. That said I didn't like his statement about development of players being more important than points on the pitch, that was tone deaf.

it's official.

he's gone to Crawley as has day

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement-scott-lindsey-and-jamie-day-depart/

it's official.

he's gone to Crawley as has day

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement-scott-lindsey-and-jamie-day-depart/

Swindon Town can confirm both First-Team Head Coach, Scott Lindsey, and assistant Jamie Day, have left the club to join Crawley Town.

Lindsey was appointed Head Coach at The County Ground back in June last year, making the step up from assistant.

During his spell in the hotseat, Scott guided Town to the play-off places in EFL Sky Bet League Two, playing a key role in the development of young players, with our identity, vision and values at the heart of everything he did.

Everyone here at the football club would like to express their sincere thanks to Scott and Jamie for their commitment and hard work during their time here, and wish them all the best in their next venture.

Gavin Gunning and Steve Mildenhall will take charge of the first-team on an interim head coach basis, with work continuing behind the scenes to appoint our new Head Coach.

Town Technical Director, Sandro Di Michele, said: “I’d like to place on record my gratitude to Scott and Jamie for their hard work and dedication during their time with us.

“They leave us in a healthy position in the League Two table and have helped develop a squad of young players capable of competing with the very best sides in this division.

“I would like to wish them all the best as they embark on the next chapters in their careers at Crawley.”

Club Owner, Clem Morfuni, added: “We’d like to take this opportunity to thank our fans for their continued support and patience during the last week or so, and we know they will get behind Steve, Gavin and our players in the short term.

“Due to legal protocols, we have been unable to provide comment or respond to questions regarding the futures of both Scott and Jamie, and have chosen not to post on our social media channels until we had an update on this matter and could move forward.

“Our prime aim is now focused on bringing in a new Head Coach who shares the same drive, ambition, vision and values as we do in order to drive us forward, with promotion this season very much still our intended target.”

Hughton is a no. Talks broke down

“They leave us in a healthy position in the League Two table and have helped develop a squad of young players capable of competing with the very best sides in this division.”

Sandro needs firing on the spot if he genuinely believes this

squad is quite close to being able to compete at the top,

Should we? Do we have the highest playing budget?

To be fair we've just beaten Northampton and we drew with Orient earlier in the season. I think the squad is quite close to being able to compete at the top, we're just a good manager and a few players short.

Maybe not the top, but we should be in the top 4 or 5 given the revenue we generate from attendances.  I sincerely hope we have not become a club who has expectations of being outside that group at this level.  Any season without promotion from Div 4 is a failure for our club - history tends to support that statement.  Last season was an exception given what went before.  If we were to finish outside the top 7, that would be abject, no?

Bradford maybe equal us on fair and square revenue earned (they get higher season ticket sales but they have much lower prices).
Salford/Crawley likely boost their coffers through various schemes to compete at the top

Who else?

Maybe not the top, but we should be in the top 4 or 5 given the revenue we generate from attendances.  I sincerely hope we have not become a club who has expectations of being outside that group at this level.  Any season without promotion from Div 4 is a failure for our club - history tends to support that statement.  Last season was an exception given what went before.  If we were to finish outside the top 7, that would be abject, no?

Bradford maybe equal us on fair and square revenue earned (they get higher season ticket sales but they have much lower prices).
Salford/Crawley likely boost their coffers through various schemes to compete at the top

Who else?

We just seem to lose to the bottom half of the table  :doh:

I have to say that's a very classy statement, I don't think I'd have been able to resist reproducing a few quotes about owing the club something before leaving after five months.

I know historically we've been above where we are right now and my expectations are that we will be promoted this season, and if not, it's failure from Clem and the board. The appointment of Lindsey and our recruitment so far this season has cost us for sure. That's why I say we're a good manager and a few players away from being right up there.

Here's hoping.

Maybe not the top, but we should be in the top 4 or 5 given the revenue we generate from attendances.  I sincerely hope we have not become a club who has expectations of being outside that group at this level.  Any season without promotion from Div 4 is a failure for our club - history tends to support that statement.  Last season was an exception given what went before.  If we were to finish outside the top 7, that would be abject, no?

Bradford maybe equal us on fair and square revenue earned (they get higher season ticket sales but they have much lower prices).
Salford/Crawley likely boost their coffers through various schemes to compete at the top

Who else?

TBF we are just 1 point off that 4/5 you mention and as much as i think the blokes a clown i think those words he mentioned are being read into a bit too deeply which is what happens when the club say fuckall for 5 days. In essence he is right, we have competed with the best teams for 90 minutes but it's time we improved and and competed over the season now

We need to get over this obsession with crowds making us 'big', for instance the year they went down Notts County averaged higher crowds than we did, but they weren't too 'big' to go down.

“They leave us in a healthy position in the League Two table and have helped develop a squad of young players capable of competing with the very best sides in this division.”

Sandro needs firing on the spot if he genuinely believes this

Thing is in this day and age how much do attendances count towards overall budgets, money talks and in the main it comes as much from owners than fans. We need to get over this obsession with crowds making us 'big', for instance the year they went down Notts County averaged higher crowds than we did, but they weren't too 'big' to go down.

Its a different board game in many ways but look at the PL, Newcastle would consider themselves a big club but until they got an owner prepared to spunk cash about they were mid table at best, the manager is a big help to them (and would be to us also) but money talks and that 90% dependent on owners splashing it.

Been like that for years, my old man not been since the 80's, but started in the 40's and accordingly to him losing to who we should beat and vice versa has always been the Swindon way.

Club simply cannot fuck up another managerial appointment. Get it. Two lots of compo for two managers now. Be bold and make a proper appointment that can win us promotion.

The problem is that that decision is going to be made by people with very limited footballing experience

its going to be Gunning, isnt it

its going to be Gunning, isnt it

Please God no.

They couldn’t spin that one under the ‘continuity’ excuse.

It’d finish the credibility of Clem and the club.

its going to be Gunning, isnt it

I can feel myself getting more bitter at some of the strange stuff from our side. "Clearly loved the club" - he's fucked off at the first opportunity after five months in post, people crucified Garner and Wellens for less than that.

Look, it's the right outcome, I'm trying to be "ends justified the means" about this, but fucking hell, the club and some people are acting like he's John Trollope or something here. I'm not going to bear him much ill will or anything, but he's not done right by the club at all here and we shouldn't pretend he has.

its going to be Gunning, isnt it

He may well love the club, thing is he was likely about to be sacked so imagine it was an employment decision rather than heart driven.

Possibly has done the right by the club, took a job offered so we didn't have to pay him off but also bought some compo in!

gunning. fuck off

Maybe, maybe this is the case, and it wouldn't be the first time public and private statements differed, but the club statement and quotes read about as far from "we were about to sack this guy" as they possibly could. I'm not ITK at all, but if I had to put money on it, I don't think he was anywhere near being sacked.

gunning. fuck off

They won't appoint Gunning...

I think Clem was well aware of the fans frustration towards Lindsey. To go from him to Gunning is unimaginable.

I note with some interest that we have Crawley on the last day of the season. That could be fun if there's anything riding on it for either team.

I can feel myself getting more bitter at some of the strange stuff from our side. "Clearly loved the club" - he's fucked off at the first opportunity after five months in post, people crucified Garner and Wellens for less than that.

Look, it's the right outcome, I'm trying to be "ends justified the means" about this, but fucking hell, the club and some people are acting like he's John Trollope or something here. I'm not going to bear him much ill will or anything, but he's not done right by the club at all here and we shouldn't pretend he has.

We need to get over this obsession with crowds making us 'big', for instance the year they went down Notts County averaged higher crowds than we did, but they weren't too 'big' to go down.

Maybe, maybe this is the case, and it wouldn't be the first time public and private statements differed, but the club statement and quotes read about as far from "we were about to sack this guy" as they possibly could. I'm not ITK at all, but if I had to put money on it, I don't think he was anywhere near being sacked.

Not sure they can afford not to with the opportunity to finally get out of L2, especially having (hopefully) secured some sort of compensation for the other two. Swindon such an attractive club and you'd be amazed at some of the names that will probably apply. Hope they take suitable time, due diligence and like others have said - make the right appt for the long-term.