Let's Get Political!

[horlock07]

I have to confess that I have only had a brief look at the back of envelope Tory Manifesto (they have learnt from Mays mistakes and barely said anything) but one thing jumped out?

We are leaving with no deal at the end of December next year, that's basically a given under this programme so at that stage the infamous £350m a week comes back into play, so where does it state in the manifesto upon what this new cash will be spent, one would expect the Tories to be making a massive deal about this?

[Reg Smeeton]

I have to confess that I have only had a brief look at the back of envelope Tory Manifesto (they have learnt from Mays mistakes and barely said anything) but one thing jumped out?

We are leaving with no deal at the end of December next year, that's basically a given under this programme so at that stage the infamous £350m a week comes back into play, so where does it state in the manifesto upon what this new cash will be spent, one would expect the Tories to be making a massive deal about this?

Most is being earmarked on potholes.... £2 bn 

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Could buy Doyle for us.

[horlock07]

You know its not going well when Piers Morgan is laughing at the Tories.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nicky-morgan-laughed-at-susanna-reid-slams-50-000-more-nurses-manifesto-deceit-1-6392360

[horlock07]

Looks like the confidence in the financial quality of the Tory manifesto is somewhat misguided?

Full Fact chief executive Will Moy said the Conservative Party could "do more to meet the standards we expect" after investigating its pledges on paving the way for 50,000 new nurses and limiting day-to-day spending increases to only £3 billion, despite promising a litany of public services investment.

Moy said the Tories had not been upfront about the full cost of their initiatives in the 59-page document, titled Get Brexit done, unleash Britain's potential.

In the costings list provided with the Tory manifesto, unveiled in Telford in the West Midlands on Sunday, it stated that the price of training 50,000 extra nurses and paying their maintenance grant would be £879 million in 2023/24.

But Full Fact said training that number of nurses, funding their £24,000 salaries and stumping up National Insurance contributions would cost the NHS closer to £2.8 billion.

Labour has already cast doubt over the headline figure, suggesting that the 50,000 number was "deceitful".

According to the party, the pledge included 19,000 nurses the Tories hope to retrain and another 12,000 from overseas, meaning only 19,000 positions would be filled by new trainees.

Full Fact also remarked that it was "simplistic" of the PM to use the the slogan "get Brexit done", a phrase that appears 22 times in the manifesto including on the cover, when a deal with the European Union could take "years to negotiate".

"The Brexit process will not be completed by January," said the independent organisation.

Another area the Tories were pulled up on was on the pledge of £3 billion of extra day-to-day spending by the final years of the next parliament.

The sum looks significantly smaller than those by rival parties.

But, despite Chancellor Sajid Javid promising the "most transparent costings that have ever been published in British electoral history", Full Fact said the Tories had not explained how every pledge in the manifesto would be funded.

"While the Conservatives plan to increase annual current spending by £3 billion compared to what's already been announced, the Conservatives plan to spend a lot more than £3 billion extra per year than we spend today," said Full Fact.

"For example, the Conservative manifesto spending list omits its headline pledges on school funding, the NHS, and (creating 20,000 more) police officers."

Moy said voters deserved information that was "accurate and honest" before making their minds up on December 12.

"Candidates and parties are asking voters for their trust for the next five years, and like the other main parties, the Conservatives can do more to meet the standards we expect," said the Full Fact boss.

[RedRag]

You know its not going well when Piers Morgan is laughing at the Tories.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nicky-morgan-laughed-at-susanna-reid-slams-50-000-more-nurses-manifesto-deceit-1-6392360

Nicky Morgan as the new Diane Abbott 

[Flashheart]

Looks like the confidence in the financial quality of the Tory manifesto is somewhat misguided?

Full Fact chief executive Will Moy said the Conservative Party could "do more to meet the standards we expect" after investigating its pledges on paving the way for 50,000 new nurses and limiting day-to-day spending increases to only £3 billion, despite promising a litany of public services investment.

Moy said the Tories had not been upfront about the full cost of their initiatives in the 59-page document, titled Get Brexit done, unleash Britain's potential.

In the costings list provided with the Tory manifesto, unveiled in Telford in the West Midlands on Sunday, it stated that the price of training 50,000 extra nurses and paying their maintenance grant would be £879 million in 2023/24.

But Full Fact said training that number of nurses, funding their £24,000 salaries and stumping up National Insurance contributions would cost the NHS closer to £2.8 billion.

Labour has already cast doubt over the headline figure, suggesting that the 50,000 number was "deceitful".

According to the party, the pledge included 19,000 nurses the Tories hope to retrain and another 12,000 from overseas, meaning only 19,000 positions would be filled by new trainees.

Full Fact also remarked that it was "simplistic" of the PM to use the the slogan "get Brexit done", a phrase that appears 22 times in the manifesto including on the cover, when a deal with the European Union could take "years to negotiate".

"The Brexit process will not be completed by January," said the independent organisation.

Another area the Tories were pulled up on was on the pledge of £3 billion of extra day-to-day spending by the final years of the next parliament.

The sum looks significantly smaller than those by rival parties.

But, despite Chancellor Sajid Javid promising the "most transparent costings that have ever been published in British electoral history", Full Fact said the Tories had not explained how every pledge in the manifesto would be funded.

"While the Conservatives plan to increase annual current spending by £3 billion compared to what's already been announced, the Conservatives plan to spend a lot more than £3 billion extra per year than we spend today," said Full Fact.

"For example, the Conservative manifesto spending list omits its headline pledges on school funding, the NHS, and (creating 20,000 more) police officers."

Moy said voters deserved information that was "accurate and honest" before making their minds up on December 12.

"Candidates and parties are asking voters for their trust for the next five years, and like the other main parties, the Conservatives can do more to meet the standards we expect," said the Full Fact boss.

And yet, here we are, fromt he 'impartial' BBC.

[Reg Smeeton]

Looks like the confidence in the financial quality of the Tory manifesto is somewhat misguided?

Full Fact chief executive Will Moy said the Conservative Party could "do more to meet the standards we expect" after investigating its pledges on paving the way for 50,000 new nurses and limiting day-to-day spending increases to only £3 billion, despite promising a litany of public services investment.

Moy said the Tories had not been upfront about the full cost of their initiatives in the 59-page document, titled Get Brexit done, unleash Britain's potential.

In the costings list provided with the Tory manifesto, unveiled in Telford in the West Midlands on Sunday, it stated that the price of training 50,000 extra nurses and paying their maintenance grant would be £879 million in 2023/24.

But Full Fact said training that number of nurses, funding their £24,000 salaries and stumping up National Insurance contributions would cost the NHS closer to £2.8 billion.

Labour has already cast doubt over the headline figure, suggesting that the 50,000 number was "deceitful".

According to the party, the pledge included 19,000 nurses the Tories hope to retrain and another 12,000 from overseas, meaning only 19,000 positions would be filled by new trainees.

Full Fact also remarked that it was "simplistic" of the PM to use the the slogan "get Brexit done", a phrase that appears 22 times in the manifesto including on the cover, when a deal with the European Union could take "years to negotiate".

"The Brexit process will not be completed by January," said the independent organisation.

Another area the Tories were pulled up on was on the pledge of £3 billion of extra day-to-day spending by the final years of the next parliament.

The sum looks significantly smaller than those by rival parties.

But, despite Chancellor Sajid Javid promising the "most transparent costings that have ever been published in British electoral history", Full Fact said the Tories had not explained how every pledge in the manifesto would be funded.

"While the Conservatives plan to increase annual current spending by £3 billion compared to what's already been announced, the Conservatives plan to spend a lot more than £3 billion extra per year than we spend today," said Full Fact.

"For example, the Conservative manifesto spending list omits its headline pledges on school funding, the NHS, and (creating 20,000 more) police officers."

Moy said voters deserved information that was "accurate and honest" before making their minds up on December 12.

"Candidates and parties are asking voters for their trust for the next five years, and like the other main parties, the Conservatives can do more to meet the standards we expect," said the Full Fact boss.

TBF, I don't think Tory voters actually believe anything in the Tory manifesto, beyond the Brexit line. 

They think Johnson will get us out of the EU, probably with no deal, or at least a deal aceptable to Fartage and the ERG, and that might get immigration down a bit and perhaps up the rate of deportations. Further, it should enable some sort of deal to be struck with Trump, that will aid our society to become more American and less European.

[horlock07]

TBF, I don't think Tory voters actually believe anything in the Tory manifesto, beyond the Brexit line. 

Which is somewhat ironic in that the Brexit line is a complete fabrication.

[Reg Smeeton]

Which is somewhat ironic in that the Brexit line is a complete fabrication.

It's true insofar as the WA can get signed off, and most probably think that's it.  Done.  What they don't realise is the years of protracted negotiations to come

[Ardiles]

It's true insofar as the WA can get signed off, and most probably think that's it.  Done.  What they don't realise is the years of protracted negotiations to come

The election aftermath could be brutal for the Tories (assuming they win it).  'Here's your Brexit, folks.  This is what it really looks like.  And yes, it's a bit shit.'

I can't imagine that Workington Man will continue to be a Tory fanboy for long when he realises he's been sold a dud.

[Reg Smeeton]

The election aftermath could be brutal for the Tories (assuming they win it).  'Here's your Brexit, folks.  This is what it really looks like.  And yes, it's a bit shit.'

I can't imagine that Workington Man will continue to be a Tory fanboy for long when he realises he's been sold a dud.

Of course, but the real danger with this lies in another lurch to the right. Johnson has picked off Fartage, by offering him a sinecure, and expelling one nation Tories from the party, so positioning the Tories on old UKIP territory.

The Brexit meldown, will move them further over into some very unpleasant terrain.

[pauld]

Of course, but the real danger with this lies in another lurch to the right. Johnson has picked off Fartage, by offering him a sinecure, and expelling one nation Tories from the party, so positioning the Tories on old UKIP territory.

The Brexit meldown, will move them further over into some very unpleasant terrain.

Been saying this for a while - this election is as much about the reinvention of the Conservative and Unionist Party, unpleasant as it was, into a far nastier English Nationalist Party with the idea that the pendulum will not reset. You ain't seen nothing yet folks.

[Arriba]

Nicky Morgan as the new Diane Abbott  

The big difference was that Abbott got confused with figures in her 7th interview of the day, when ill, that were not lies.
The #Torymaths farce is just blatantly misleading people.

I'm still waiting for the BBC to put a picture of Boris in the background with a Russian hat on like they did to Corbyn when the Russian spy smears were featured. Especially when there is some meat on the bones to this story.

[Batch]

Abbott is a disaster zone though