Jimmy HaveHave
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« Reply #5820 on: Sunday, September 27, 2020, 20:17:18 » |
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^^^^ restrictions already on toilet rolls etc.
got some fine in Morrisons thankfully
The problem is it's not just toilet rolls their buying
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Clem, hurry up and sell up🤡
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singingiiiffy
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« Reply #5821 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 08:58:51 » |
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as low as 18% of people with symptoms are self isolating.
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Jimmy HaveHave
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« Reply #5822 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 09:01:31 » |
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as low as 18% of people with symptoms are self isolating.
That's appalling and only going to end in a really long lockdown throughout the winter months
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« Reply #5824 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 09:08:11 » |
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as low as 18% of people with symptoms are self isolating.
The reporting around this is really irresponsible as it's missing out the really significant part of that research which is *why* people aren't self isolating. It's because they can't afford to. It's all very well telling middle class people who can work from home to self-isolate but a lot of the people not self-isolating are in a position where they don't get paid if they can't work and don't have savings to fall back on. So self-isolation means they can't feed their families, run into rent arrears (or quite often further into rent arrears) etc. The govt have announced from today people can claim £500 payment when self-isolating which will help a bit, but the combination of lost earnings and a possible £10k fine if people don't self-isolate is already leading to people with symptoms not taking tests rather than being ordered to self-isolate when they can't afford to. Counter productive.
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« Reply #5825 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 10:02:42 » |
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The reporting around this is really irresponsible as it's missing out the really significant part of that research which is *why* people aren't self isolating. It's because they can't afford to. It's all very well telling middle class people who can work from home to self-isolate but a lot of the people not self-isolating are in a position where they don't get paid if they can't work and don't have savings to fall back on. So self-isolation means they can't feed their families, run into rent arrears (or quite often further into rent arrears) etc. The govt have announced from today people can claim £500 payment when self-isolating which will help a bit, but the combination of lost earnings and a possible £10k fine if people don't self-isolate is already leading to people with symptoms not taking tests rather than being ordered to self-isolate when they can't afford to. Counter productive.
it did actually. The scientists behind the self-isolation study of more than 31,000 people – carried out by several of Britain’s top behaviour scientists – suggested people should be given more financial support to stay at home.
The researchers found men were more likely than women not to follow the rules, alongside younger people, those with children, those on low incomes and key workers.
“Our results suggest that financial constraints and caring responsibilities impeded adherence to self-isolation,” said the behavioural experts.
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« Reply #5826 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 10:13:43 » |
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« Reply #5827 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 10:41:35 » |
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it did actually.
Perhaps might have been good if you'd mentioned that then? Quite an important factor
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« Reply #5828 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 11:10:53 » |
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Perhaps might have been good if you'd mentioned that then? Quite an important factor
its a terrible statistic whatever the reasons. its quite obvious that people have their reasons for doing it- and they would range from not caring and not being able to afford to. hope you police all posts in here with full reasoning required
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« Reply #5829 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 11:45:24 » |
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its a terrible statistic whatever the reasons. its quite obvious that people have their reasons for doing it- and they would range from not caring and not being able to afford to. hope you police all posts in here with full reasoning required No, just providing some context, context which completely changes the nature of the report from "selfish bastards not self-isolating when told to" to "people being told to self-isolate but can't afford to". I saw the research last week which did provide the full context, then heard it being reported on the radio this morning without that context. Assumed you'd seen a report that also ommitted the context, hence my original post.
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« Reply #5830 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 15:05:24 » |
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« Reply #5831 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 15:08:14 » |
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Daily figure of new confirmed cases has dropped to 4k now, three days of consecutive drops. It’s a bit if a weird one, and probably artificial in nature but three days of consecutively lower figures is a tentatively good sign
Also correlates with ZOE data (which is self-reported) reporting a lower number of new infections today than yesterday, the ons survey on Friday reporting a slowing of the increase two weeks ago and the daily volume of 999/111 covid triage calls also dropping consecutively over the past week. All early stages, and can’t get too carried away, but four different sources using four different approaches to assessing number of infections are all beginning to point towards the number of new infections have stopped increasing.
Got to be cause for a little optimism, at the very least, that things might not get too much worse than they are now (he says, touching all of the wood I can find)
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« Reply #5832 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 15:30:44 » |
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The true indicator is whether deaths track up 2-3 weeks behind the infections climb we've seen over the last fortnight.
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« Reply #5833 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 15:32:51 » |
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Daily figure of new confirmed cases has dropped to 4k now, three days of consecutive drops. It’s a bit if a weird one, and probably artificial in nature but three days of consecutively lower figures is a tentatively good sign
Also correlates with ZOE data (which is self-reported) reporting a lower number of new infections today than yesterday, the ons survey on Friday reporting a slowing of the increase two weeks ago and the daily volume of 999/111 covid triage calls also dropping consecutively over the past week. All early stages, and can’t get too carried away, but four different sources using four different approaches to assessing number of infections are all beginning to point towards the number of new infections have stopped increasing.
Got to be cause for a little optimism, at the very least, that things might not get too much worse than they are now (he says, touching all of the wood I can find)
The problem with these figures are two fold: No Scottish figures were added for part of the weekend due to systems problems. Weekend figure regardless of the above always seem to dip.
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« Reply #5834 on: Monday, September 28, 2020, 15:39:08 » |
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Would be handy to know if the reporting lag on a Monday is a consistent number, should be able to make an educated guess what the true number of cases is sans the lag
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