Let's Get Political!

[horlock07]

The big difference was that Abbott got confused with figures in her 7th interview of the day, when ill, that were not lies. is black, which seems to make her fair game for many.

Corrected for you. 

[horlock07]

They really are not very good at this lying lark are they.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html#Echobox=1574691553

[pauld]

They really are not very good at this lying lark are they.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html#Echobox=1574691553

You'd think they would be, what with all the practice they've had. They're also not great at screening out candidates with known far-right sympathies:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50546353

Although tbf in that instance they haven't had any practice because they just don't bother

[horlock07]

You'd think they would be, what with all the practice they've had. They're also not great at screening out candidates with known far-right sympathies:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50546353

Although tbf in that instance they haven't had any practice because they just don't bother

Our local candidate seems like a decent enough chap to be fair....

[Ardiles]

Been saying this for a while - this election is as much about the reinvention of the Conservative and Unionist Party, unpleasant as it was, into a far nastier English Nationalist Party with the idea that the pendulum will not reset. You ain't seen nothing yet folks.

Fintan O'Toole puts it very well in this article:

Guardian: 'A Precious Union?'

'Brexit has always had a large dose of phoney populism – it is an elite project for extreme globalisation wrapped up as a popular revolt against globalisation. But it also has an equally large dose of phoney unionism – it is an English national rebellion wrapped in the union flag.'

The sooner the Conservative & Unionist Party drops the '& Unionist Party' from their name, the better.  Every day, they are working more effectively towards the cause of dissolving the union than the SNP & Plaid Cymru combined.

Brexit is about English exceptionalism and English isolationism.  The Little Englander barbs of Remainers are entirely justified.  It's going to end in tears, one day, when England realises it cannot stand alone in the world.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Maybe with the name Fintan O’Toole May be a little anti England.

[Red Frog]

Maybe with the name Fintan O’Toole May be a little anti England.

I don't think you need an Irish name to be anti-England in its current guise.

[pauld]

Maybe with the name Fintan O’Toole May be a little anti England.

Yeah, cos all Irish people are anti-English  . Have a word.

[pauld]

Fintan O'Toole puts it very well in this article:

Guardian: 'A Precious Union?'

'Brexit has always had a large dose of phoney populism – it is an elite project for extreme globalisation wrapped up as a popular revolt against globalisation. But it also has an equally large dose of phoney unionism – it is an English national rebellion wrapped in the union flag.'

The sooner the Conservative & Unionist Party drops the '& Unionist Party' from their name, the better.  Every day, they are working more effectively towards the cause of dissolving the union than the SNP & Plaid Cymru combined.

Brexit is about English exceptionalism and English isolationism.  The Little Englander barbs of Remainers are entirely justified.  It's going to end in tears, one day, when England realises it cannot stand alone in the world.

My point was about more than that though. I think the Tory Party is being deliberately and explicitly refashioned from being a mainstream party of the right (sometimes centre-right, but usually mainstream right) into a hard right nationalist and populist party, in the image of similar European parties of the hard right, such as the League in Italy, Orban's lot in Hungary and Land and Justice in Poland. Kind of a reverse takeover by the Brexit Party

[horlock07]

My point was about more than that though. I think the Tory Party is being deliberately and explicitly refashioned from being a mainstream party of the right (sometimes centre-right, but usually mainstream right) into a hard right nationalist and populist party, in the image of similar European parties of the hard right, such as the League in Italy, Orban's lot in Hungary and Land and Justice in Poland. Kind of a reverse takeover by the Brexit Party

Yet most Tory voters seem pretty unperturbed by this?

[Flashheart]

The BBC et al are cranking up their attacks on Corbyn on alleged anti-semitism; rolling out a head Rabbi (who just happens to be friends with Boris). It also just so happens to take place on the same day that labour launches their 'race and faith' manifesto. Surely that must just be a coincidence, right? Ah well, at least soon we can expect extensive coverage from the BBC of 'Islamophobia and anti-semitism' in the Tory party to add some balance...

Meanwhile, 163 economists have put out a public statement in support of Labour's spending plans - not a peep.

[pauld]

The BBC et al are cranking up their attacks on Corbyn on alleged anti-semitism; rolling out a head Rabbi (who just happens to be friends with Boris). It also just so happens to take place on the same day that labour launches their 'race and faith' manifesto. Surely that must just be a coincidence, right? Ah well, at least soon we can expect extensive coverage from the BBC of 'Islamophobia and anti-semitism' in the Tory party to add some balance...

tbf, it's a pretty astonishing intervention in an election campaign and so definitely newsworthy. And Radio 4's news programmes, not sure about the rest of the BBC, have certainly given Baroness Warsi extensive airtime when she has spoken out about Tory Islamophobia. I do think there have been plenty of instances of imbalanced reporting in this campaign, not sure this is one of them

[4D]

Yeah, cos all Irish people are anti-English  . Have a word.

Audrey has lived there Paul, have you?

[Flashheart]

tbf, it's a pretty astonishing intervention in an election campaign and so definitely newsworthy. And Radio 4's news programmes, not sure about the rest of the BBC, have certainly given Baroness Warsi extensive airtime when she has spoken out about Tory Islamophobia. I do think there have been plenty of instances of imbalanced reporting in this campaign, not sure this is one of them

I (and many others) can only go by the BBC's website.

On their election section, 19 out of 39 articles covered the Rabbi's comments (I may have miscounted one or two either way).
Of those, only 1 (one) was in opposition to the claim - that came from a former Labour MP, so easily dismissed. There are numerous Jews organisations that speak out against the claims but they barely seem to get a mention - let alone extensive coverage.
There is NOTHING on similar issues in the Tory party - NOTHING.

[Arriba]

The whole idea that Labour is now a party of anti semitism is utterly ridiculous to anyone who actually has the ability to think a bit. Problem is many don't have that ability and are easily manipulated.