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In? Out? Shake it all about?

I don't think It's too out their to predict some fall out so we might as well have a new thread for it.

 In...

why?

I actually like Wilson but do believe now that he has taken the club as far as we can.

Our league position is wholly unacceptable- as was going out of the FA cup to Crawley.

As other posters have said he has 1 plan and once this gets found out there is no plan B. His tactics are shocking which is proved by his inability to change a game.

Think the time to sack him is now- tbh not sure Fitton would give him any funds in January- and although he has made some decent signings, he has made some equally awful ones.

Yay do we get to slit our wrists at the same time in sync?

Out.

Sadly, it's all become far too predictable. We're such an easy team to scout and play against. Get the ball, pass it out wide, play about three passes too many, wait for the move to break down. Rinse and repeat for 90 minutes.

Saying that, I half expect us to beat Charlton on Monday. It's the sort of thing we do.

What sort of contract is Wilson on? Anyone know?

Tight league...we're a bit shit atm, but not that bad. Wilson is quite capable of turning this around.

(As always) I'm on the fence.

The clock is ticking though. We cannot afford to go down.

not sure if in or out who would come in ? would they have money to spend? this season is going from bad to worse, at the moment we can not lose Charlie otherwise we are doomed
I have said this before we have not played well since we beat Leeds away last season

it is very tight.not convinced wilson can turn it around though.
i'm neither in or out.

in unless we go down

Can we afford to take that gamble though? For me it's a no.

In, but I reckon he should be set a 15 point target from the next 7 games. If we dont that would give someone else time to get us out of the shit.

The funny thing about that is we all laughed at Hartlepool when they sacked him in similar circumstances and gave that very reason. Unfortunately it's now becoming very apparent that they were spot on in their view of him.

The lack of a plan b isn't anything new either, we've known that since the tail end of last season.

Our league position is unacceptable, the same as the way we went out of all three cups. The blame doesn't lie with the squad that Wilson has got either, he signed every single one of those players and they are far better than the way they have been playing. For me the blame for our results lies solely with Wilson.

I doubt Wilson can turn it round and get something out of this season and with his contract up in the summer and Austin most likely to be leaving in January I'd say its time to pull the trigger. Get a new manager in now who can do some deals in the window and maybe, just maybe get us near the playoffs by the end of the season.

It's all down to Fitton though and if he hasn't already lost patience, I can't see it being that long now.

So it's a Wilson out from me.

If we don't beat Yeovil at home then I think it may be the end of the road. Unless somehow we beat Charlton on Monday.

I'd be more inclined to agree with that if he could turn the odd game around

Out fuck off I've had enough. I know fuck all about football which is why I don't have the honour of being in the game but even I can predict what he does

In

but time is running out fast.

We've got Oldham away before the Yeovil game as well. Oldham who happen to be unbeaten at home so far this season. 3 games that we really need to get some points from.

Sacking is a bigger gamble, we know AF likes to take his time in these matters, so we could have a caretaker through Jan, and then appoint someone like Paul Trollope.

Let Wilson see out his contract...then judge from there...

If the Adver is to be believed then he had three targets at the start of the season:

3rd(?) round of FA Cup
Area final of JPT
Top 6

2 of them not achieved, and we aren't looking likely to finish in the top 6.

Surely he has to go at the end of the season if we continue this way?

We've a home/away imbalance....and as I pointed out a while back as yet no trips to 10 ten clubs (this may have changed)....this is potentially dangerous and no time to be sacking the manager.

In. 

This league is utter shite.  A short run of wins could easily propel us to the play-offs or just outside.

If this conversation were in mid / late February, I would probably be saying out but there's still so much time to turn this season around.

having thought about it IN until the end of the season then relook

Undecided.  Mainly because of two reasons:

a) The time it took to replace Malpas
b) I haven't a clue who I'd want as replacement

Rolling contract I believe.

out, i feel the players have lost respect for him and his tatics

the league is shite???, and we are wots shit about it,another fucking shit result, a short run could propel us up, we cant win one fucking game let alone go on a run, charlie will be gone, we are doomed

I'm probably edging towards the out side of things but if I'm honest that's partly to atone for sticking up for Malpas for so long. Also getting a new manager is exciting. Certainly more exciting than the football itself at the moment.

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Out.

We should be looking to get maximum points at home no matter who the opposition is. One point out of a possible six from home this past week is just not good enough.

OUT.

If the board don't sack him soon then season ticket sales for next season will be very poor indeed.

How many season tickets do you think we'd need to sell, to pay up Wilson and Shirtliff, and then employ another couple?

can anyone confirm whether or not he is on a rolling contract?

Maurice Malpas for manager!

I thought he just had a 2 and half year deal when he joined.

I thought he had a deal to the end of the season? Didt see anything mentioned about a rolling contract?

according to http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=WILSONDA it was two and a half when he signed so runs out at the end of the season

Although http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Millwall-v-Swindon-preview-Robins-boss-Danny-Wilson-set-to-open-talks-over-a-new-contract-article434359.html hints that we might have extended over the summer but fuck knows it's the mirror.

Some guy on the FB site claimed Wilson was out of contract this boxing day just gone, which was obviously wrong for all sorts of reasons. Then he claimed he had actually signed a new rolling contract before the play off final.

Probably bullshit, well its obvious now the first claim was bullshit.

My youngest has just taken us to the League 1 Championship, 29 points clear of 2nd, on FIFA 11. And he managed to get Dossevi and Pericard scoring over 20 goals each. Then to put right the wrong done this afternoon, he played an exhibition game against Bournemouth, leading us to a 3-1 victory. On this basis, he should be our next manager, as long as the League will let us fit the players with Wiimote sensors

Not that much considering he only has a few months left on his contract, Not sure about Shirtliff.

Still money that has to be found from somewhere....one thing we know about this Board, is that they're not inclined to shell out on big name managers....if they've decided to dispense with Wilson, I'd imagine Paul Trollope would fit their requirements very nicely.

Bodin would do a better job than Trollope.

Out before it's too late.

31 points out of a possible 81 in the last 27 games (including the final 6 games of last season).  Absolute rubbish and exactly the same points tally as Malpas in his last 27 games in charge.

There's no team togetherness and it really looks like he's lost the dressing room and the plot.

On what basis do you arrive at that decision?

I know I've got a real monk on but he's got to go and now. I wouldn't let him near the transfer market in January. We'll ptrobably get 2 left backs and 3 midfielders. After today's pile of steaming shite he will have lost one hell of a lot of backers, including me.

what Budgie up to now a days?

its all gone downhill since he left.

Just an opinion nothing more, Think i'd rather have Bodin over Trollope as well.

Out

Won't be going to a Town game untill performances start improving or a new manager comes in.

The play is all too predictable.  If a new manager comes in, he may freshen it up and a run of good results  may see us near the playoffs.  If Wilson stays, cannot see us getting anywhere near playoffs

Wilson has lost the dressing room but the looks of it so game over danny boy.

I see....probably just as well the decision wont be yours.  :)

serious? based on players not playing to full potential? I always think thats why they're league one players, if they played to their full potential they'd be playing at a higher level. consistency is the majority of difference between leagues in my opinion

really though interested what makes you say wilson has 'lost the dressing room'
whatever that actually means

You sound like a broken record.

We don't have the same team spirit as last year, thats plain to see. I think it's because greer used to make players cakes on their birthdays, whilst Paynter does an excellent little stand up routine.

Out for me after today. Our squad of players is far superior to AFCB, bar Pugh and Pearce none of their players would make our 11. The difference today, like Crawley, D&R and many others, was work-rate, tempo and desire, and the difference between theirs and ours first 20 and last 20 was embarrassing and that comes from one man only. We don't have another gear and we always start terribly. 20 to go, I said to my mate we needed a 10 min spell, a match winning shift of momentum, up the tempo and and get the ball moving, Instead we got Timlin for Ferry, and sat off them. Even after they scored we didn't step up.

Football is played between the ears as much as anything. Look at Holloway at Blackpool turning a squad of bad Championship players into a PL team, or Coyle taking a very average PL squad and turning them into top 8 contenders. Motivation, mood and the will to work for each other and the boss is huge, and we don't have that right now. I'd normally say give him longer, but look at what happened at BCFC and H'pool, it's so similar.

Oh, and the substitutions were fucking pathetic. Rose for Sheehan I kind of get as Sheehan was lucky to be on the pitch, Pericard for Ball....the only option although I'd preferred Doss but Timlin for Ferry? Fuck off. JP was blowing out of his arse and Prutton couldn't stop giving the ball away but instead it was a nothing substitution, negative, bereft of confidence and a terrible message to send to B'muff.

And Why wait? The right management change and a bit of movement in the window and we can push on.

Today was really fucking dire bar a 20 minute spell either side of HT.

Excellent and spot on!

Scouting for Spurs.

Did he scout Beckham?

He's so luvverly.

I think Fitton has demonstrated that he's not a complete fucking idiot, so after making the same mistake twice, I can't see he'd be making a managerial appointment again just from who might be available at the time for free.

A few months back I argued let the man see out his contract and find someone else in the summer. We're now in very real danger of being sucked into a relegation fight, and don't really look like we have the stomach for one. If we're going to make a change it needs to be done quick and we need to spend some compensation cash to get someone that can turn things around.

Two names:
Paul Tisdale
Gary Waddock

Not a fucking chance, nor Eddie Howe before someone mentions him too. Alan Knill or Paul Buckle possibly, but if Wilson did go, it'd be an out of work manager surely?

Big Sam :)

I'd give it a go all for 30k a year, nice and cheap.

Not read the thread but sack the clueless cunt

Its time to go Wilson  :suicide: lets bring in the likes of Paul Jewell he is out of work! Well i think he is

I want Trollope in until the end of the season then re-evaluate from there

Not really suited to us though is he? Would do better at a huge club like Barcelona, Real or Brighton.

why would we want trollope?
no thank you

Would happily take that, done alright at Rovers although went stale in the end.

Did alright with Lennie Lawrence there more like.

reasons ?

why him?
not why we need a new bloke in

That makes you a bit of a retard for posting that really

why not him arriba ?

because the team he got sacked by are even worse than us.
i cannot see how he would be an improvement on wilson.

worse than us now but in alot better shape than when Trollope took over. he has improved Rovers alot.

Nemo got it spot on though, Trollopes best work was alongside Lawrence. I'm not sure how well he can do on his own.

Fair point.

[idealist musing] Just looking at Eddie Howe and the 'muff spirit today made me so jealous. Cut him in two and he'd have AFCB written through him, along with the old boy up front. We need a Mr. Swindon, a young gun, a risk. Some spirit and unity would be lovely right now.

The campaign starts here. SSP for manager [/idealist musing]

well the same could be said of wilson.he improved us alot.still doesn't make us good now though.

No it couldnt.

We were a mid table looking over our shoulder L1 team (18th) when Wilson took over, two years later we are a mid table looking over our shoulder L1 team (18th) Thats not an improvement, is it.

Bristol Rovers had just finished 12th in League Two when Trollope took over, now they are sitting 21st in League One, so thats a definite improvement.

So we just ignore everything in between?

But with a seemingly more expensive squad now

There was no way we could even over-achieve our way to Wembley before Wilson.

No. He improved us loads, got us to Wembley - great, fantastic

...and now has taken us all the way back to where he started.

Temporary improvement. Are we currently any better off than when Wilson took over? League Position suggests - no.

I think Wilson has made some atrocious signings but sacking him isn't going to get rid of high-earners like O'Brien, Pericard, Dossevi, Prutton and Rose so I'm inclined to think what's the point? We got rid of a lot of deadwood last season but he's signed more expensive dead mahogany. His tactics only work when the team seems to be high on morale and working well as a unit, if the team suffers any form of inconsistency whether it be in terms of personnel or results, his game plan falls apart.

Regardless of what Dave says - i.e. he's taken us nowhere - he's actually taken us backwards since last season. That's reason enough for his days to be numbered.

Can i be the first to say "bring back Lou".

We have a decent squad, he's make them fit, hoof it up to Charlie, and voila promotion.

yes, but on the flip side you could say the fact he took us forward last season is reason enough to stick with him.

not that, thats my view but some may hold that opinion.

We are in exactly the same league position now as when he took over 2 years ago. I dont see how you can total disregard that as its factual information you can measure against.

i banged the macari drum last time round.not anymore though.
his managerial days are in the past now.

but he would make a fantastic director of football with a player manager / young manager. He was bloody fantastic at picking up players for jack shit and making the best of what we had. He would be a great teacher to an up and coming manager

The board have (supposedly) set targets for progress, so they must be measuring it on a season by season basis. We've taken a big step backwards since last season so he should have failed surely? I'm agree that the achievements of last season should not be ignored and as the squad is weaker now due to the departures of Greer and Paynter, neither of which he is accountable for, perhaps we ought to adjust accordingly.

Either way, Fitton would be a fool to get rid of Wilson without scoping out his options and having someone lined up to come in swiftly. No fucking about like in the past.

p.s. why Macari? He's been out of football for nearly a decade and I doubt he would be bothered with the hassle of management when he can pick up a paycheck for a few hours work on MUTV or SSN now and then

Meh, if he goes and I sit pathetically on the fence, we could do a lot worse than Alan Knill.

Knill has done good jobs with peanuts to spend at Rotherham and Bury but I get the feeling the more mong-esque element of our fan base would just go "who" and as he's not a laugh a minute like Ian Holloway they'd be moaning if things didn't get better within 10-15 seconds.

Is it even mad to consider Wise back, or was Poyet the king behind the throne?

Maybe we'd need to have a nice man called Mike to temp Wise back?

A nice man called Mike...who could shell a load of cash on Wise and his mega staff, that we didn't actually have.

The Wilson out brigade need to realise that unless something has drastically altered this Board wont throw money at a name manager.

So it will be a safe looking pair of hands from the lower league out of work types....just like last time.

Possible realistic appointments:-

Paolo Sousa
Paul Jewell
Alan Knill
Paul Trollope
Gary Waddock
Darren Ferguson
Paul Buckle

It worked last time. For a bit. Let's go for it.

Paolo Sousa :no:.........................no chance in hell.
Wilson will be here this time next year......sorry :D

 :D

The crowds will be very low then, with a good 1,000-2,000+ season ticket holders lost.

CHANGETHEFUCKINGRECORD

Maybe.....we cant afford to sack him even if Fitton wanted to.
I feel sorry for the young fringe players like Bodin.....if you cant get in now you never will.

It's a good point, Darren Ferguson might be an interesting appointment....

Very interesting indeed. I cannot stand the bloke personally, find him very arrogant. Not sure how his record stands up either as I reckon I could have got Posh promoted with the budget he had.

Personally would rather Buckle or Knill but like someone else said, a lot of fans want names they know. Either way nothing's going to change any time soon realistically is it?

We've proved before that it's worth taking the risk on untried younger managers ie Ardiles, Hoddle.  Why do we have to go for a more experienced manager?  Doesn't mean they're any better just likely to be more stuck in their ways as proved by Wilson this season.  Time for a change and a younger manager with fresher ideas IMO.

There's nothing particularly enjoyable about watching Swindon at the moment and if we lose the next couple of games and suddenly the crowd starts to drop to 6,000 I'm sure the businessman in Mr Fitton will take over and the backing for Wilson will be gone.

There is a bloke that sits in drs row v 190ish that know everything. He would make a great manager

Is this the same guy who was around doing the exact same towards the end of malpas's tenure, and did something very similar when diamond mike and his cronies where nearing the end of their time here?

No idea but at least three quarters of his posts have been demanding Wilson's exit

He's not really alone there though is he?  I've always liked Wilson, but even I've had enough after today and think he needs to go.

Personally i'd be looking at someone like Steve Clarke.I think he'd be very positive,he'd be up the

challenge and has loads of contacts within the game.He would probably get a good response from

the scottish lads in our dressing room.

clarke was on a massive wedge at chelski and west ham.we couldn't afford him

yeah, but most others contribute posts that aren't FUCKIN WILSON OUT HE SUXX DONKEYS

He wants to get into management and needs to start somewhere.

Clarke was in the running for the Hibs job and they aren't big payers.

Exactly the same could have been said about Macari,Ardiles and Hoddle.

If you don't ask you don't get!

Aah, I see what you mean.  Sorry I'd missed that post.

Well i would rather be a retard than a cunt, you Cunt

Well Ossie as much as I love him....would have taken us down in his second season, and very nearly took Newcastle to Div 3.  A lot of it is being at the right club at the right time...for example a lot of Town fans wanted to see Gary Speed given a crack at management here, but Blades fans think they've dodged a bullet as he got them heading for Div 3.

Appointing a new manager is an inexact science....Burnley for instance appointed Laws, because they hired some recruitment consultants who number crunched and found that Laws, produced more points for budget than any other candidates....

Bormuff got Howe, because they were completely screwed, nobody else wanted it, they probably deserved a bit of luck after being shat on by the FL.

I still think Wilson can turn this around..

January really is a pivotal month for us with the window now open and a run of 6 league games,
including successive games against Yeovil,Rovers and Tranmere.

Safe to say we'll either be looking pretty safe in midtable, or in the midst of a relegation dogfight.

Has Ray Wilkins got a job yet?

only back on sky...

IN

Because Reg says so.

That said, this season has been one poohy pile of complacency, stubborness and frustration and shit.  For all that, we just need A Big Moment, a catalyst to make the world seem less smelly and maybe then we can all be friends again.

When Malpas left your wanted Dave Hockaday as manager.

A lot of us tried to be very supportive towards Danny in his first six months at the club,
but you took great delight whenever there was a setback, of telling us,"I just feel he's
not the right man for us".

You seem to have had a huge about turn or was it some road to Damascas (nee Walcot) moment?

I just can't see him turning it around. He has more or less spunked his playing budget and filled the squad with utter shit.

Also i just do not get his tactics one bit,he starts pericard and after 70 mins brings on dossevi in every game yet yesterday starts ball and stays with two up front no matter what.

He brings on Timlin when we are chasing the game and brings on rose. He made no possitive changes whatsoever and can't remember the last time he did.

I am at a loss to understand what he is doing to be honest last season top performers seem to have had there confidence destroyed.

I'm begining to think last year he got lucky  with a couple of good loans and the fact that Paynter wanted to have a good season to cash in on his summer move.

I was down the middle with Wilson but what did it for me was seeing a headkine in the adver where he said he intends for swindon to shock the cherrys. We were at home against fucking bournemouth ffs there should have been no need for us to cause a shock.

Not that it matters, but wasn't Sheehan injured yesterday? Mind you he look like a red card waiting to happen .

One of the worst aspects in football is when you see a very decent guy like Danny or even

the likes of Roy Hodgson struggling.There is a sense of wanting them to succeed, or even to

be put out of the misery that they're going through.

Of all the names mentioned only Paul Tisdale and Paul Buckle appeal to me as they are hungry young managers. According to the font of knowledge (wikipedia), Tisdale's contract is up at end if this season with Buckle's up in November. Wouldn't have thought it'd cost too much in compo for either...

Having said that, I still think we need to give Wilson more time even though it's a risk as any new manager coming in would have to make do with the post-window squad.

Nah...head wanted Waddock but heart wanted Calderwood (wade through the 120+ pages of Sheena Easton's icy heart it's in there somewhere.

I was sceptical of Wilson to start with, as I felt we sailed a bit too close to the relegation wind. Nevertheless he did the job, then moved us forward. I also always said that was the easy part, the hard part being to drive us into the level above, which isn't our historic level.

At the moment we've stalled on that, but it is a tight league, and we're not that bad, Wilson should be given til the end of the season then review the situation.

I think weve actually improved from the football we were playing in october/early november. 

Just the fans were placated by how close we seemed to still be to the play offs in terms of points. Now the better teams are comming to the fore, and the league is a bit more accurate, lots of fans seem suprised that we are in the mid/lower part of the table.

I dont think we should change unless we go on a Malpas style run of results.

That shit yesterday was Beamish....

Improved?  I don't think so.  It's been generally poor but inconsistent during both periods.  Of last 4 games I watched we were poor for the whole game at Crawley and yesterday and first half vs Posh and were hardly sparkling against Sheff Wed.
In Oct / Nov were we good in 2nd half against Bristol Rovers and generally against Colchester, but admittedly were awful vs Orient and Charlton.
In all, not been good for a while, with the occasional glimpse of decent football keeping hopes going that we can return to last season's success.

Crawley and yesterday are in my top ten of shittest games ever seen at the CG.

I am surprised Spence because I know we can do better. I think we all do. What pisses me off is the lack of effort etc from half the players and also the lack of quality. Like DRS says the confidence of the good players from last season like JP and Ferry seems totally shot. Not quite sure why results haven't gone our way on every occasion this season. At times we haven't looked too bad but at time we've also looked complete garbage. I just don't understand why we start so shit every game. Is there no motivation in the changing room before the players head out? For me it's a big issue. We all know about the other big issue as well which is as soon as we go behind we lack any sort of plan or desire to win a game. Something just isn't right there when you compare it to last season.

Yep, the 4-5-1 experiment was a disaster.

I think we are a long way off being one of the 4 worst teams in the league. No manager can get us in the Play offs from here. Get over it and move on.

First half of the 07-08 season
First half of the 05-06 season (rock bottom at Christmas?!)
First half of the 00-01 season

All far far worse. Some of you lot are being drama queens. Yes, I know its a big come down, but I didnt think the squad was good enough for the top 6 after the Brentford draw in late August, the quality just wasnt there.

Our players performances have been lazy though. I think the fans are waking up, the fans could have put more pressure on the players to perform, but instead have sat back in their seats.

Were mid table in League 1, which is as far as Sturrock ever took us.

I agree that we're far from one of the worst 4 teams in this league. But with the lack of fight that seems to be apparent in too many games recently we're in danger of falling into the "too good to go down syndrome."  The team needs to wake up to the fact that we're slipping towards the relegation zone and start performing to somewhere approaching full potential far more regularly - in particular we need to stop dropping so many home points.

I agree with everything you've said there.

But everyone is waking up. We had 4 games against Orient and Brentford this year at home and not won once. The fans should have been waking up back then, and maybe we could have put that to the players a bit more. As it is, the season as a challenge is dead. Lets see if we can get some better players in Jan, and lets see if we can get the players to show us some passion.

Agreed, Ferry and McGovern, 2 star performers from last year. Danny Wilson has messed around with their game this year. Unfairly keeping Ferry on the bench, and moving McGovern into the middle. Yes that was a fuck up. But they both played in their right positions in the last 2 games.

I think the fans are one step behind, we will go forward from here.

the football we are getting this season has been and continues to be shit.
no under or overeactions there,just the facts of the matter.
people have every right to be worried and pissed off with the situation.
if austin does go this month then will be looking over our shoulders, rather than up the table for sure.

To me one of the key problems yesterday was the lack of an effective midfield.  Neither Both Ferry or McGovern were influential in the game and Prutton was once again far below par.  We missed Douglas a lot I think but I'm really unsure what would be our best midfield at this point.

i posted the exact same thing yesterday, and got told i need to be in a straight jacket :D

For me, that was the best midfield we could have put out yesterday.

I agree - at their best they're all good players at this level, but the worrying thing is that yesterday the midfield was totally anonymous - and this wasn't the first time this season that this has been so.

arriba's already got his on so it's fine.  



:D

If Wilson goes, and it is a big IF then I want Clarke, Wilkins or Tisdale.

Thats it, and being Tisdale has turned down bigger clubs than us I doubt he would come.

Failing that, an ex international player in the mould of Macari, Hoddle, MuckMarn, Ardiles which has worked more often than not (Malpas being the only failure).

Apparently Fitton is still 100% behind Wilson so I can't see him being sacked.

At the risk of sounding boring...you can't hear me anyway...i feel we missed the boat after the sale of Cox...we have steadied the ship off field and a good chunk could/should have been invested in a couple of good players...a proven centre forward and one or two defenders.
We have plenty of midfielders which makes it more baffling that we may be spending out on Ritchie.
A good win tomorow is a must.....but all i want to see is a couple of solid aquisitions if/when Austin goes......its a must for me.
There are plenty of players out there..lets get some in.

After Cox went we assembled our best team for 15 years?

As for a good win tommorow a must? You know we are playing Charlton away? You think were going to go there and win 3-0?

Being Realistic, a win against Yeovil at home is a must.

Andy O'Brien is the only left winger on Swindon's books, and he needs to go. The attempts to sign Ritchie are simply common sense?

You may think it the best team....look at the newspaper Spence..it wasnt.
Tomorow is a must win...the way we are playing at home means this is the case...Yeovil were superb at Plymouth and if not missing a pen would have won.
Some fans need to realise that playing average (so called)teams at home isn't our forte.

I think this is true, nevertheless we all know that a few more bad results may change the situation.

Mr Fitton is a big admirer of Paul Trollope, particularly what he did on a budget much smaller that ours...if Wilson does go expect PT in.

If wilson goes and PT gets in then expect fatbury back.

I dont think it matters where our next win comes from as long as it comes soon.

We need another 27 points to stay up. 25 games to do it.

Listen to Dave because this is our season now!

I will be counting down the points.....

we need 1.08 points per game. Currently 25 points from 21 games give us 1.19.

Most of those 25 points won by Austin to!

Regardless if Wilson keeps us up, that's not exactly worthy of a new contract is it?

For some reason or another the players are not responding to the manager. This means we need to change the manager or change pretty much the entire team in the summer and January.

Yesterday was the first time I've realised the turning point isn't going to come. By turning point I don't mean getting into the playoffs because I wrote that off a couple of months ago, but actually playing some semi-decent football for more than half a game.

I've stuck up for Wilson until now, but he's doing a great Malpas impression. I know we're playing some good teams at this point in the season but the lack of home form is a real worry. Crawley completely outplayed us on our own turf. That's worse than losing to Histon away in my opinion.

Wilson needs to string a run of 4 or 5 decent results and performances together to prove himself and it isn't going to happen. Fitton has a dilemma because he could waste a lot of money on Wilson's signings in January only for him to leave in the summer if nothing picks up.

we are in january and wilson still doesn't know his best team.
it has been tinkered with from the start of the season and still isn't right.
resorting to hoofball against a side that had lost its last 3 games and with a pensioner upfront is fucking alarming.
a heavy defeat tomorrow and he'll be sacked on tuesday i'm sure....

Hell no!

Unless he pulls off the impossible he's got to go in the summer. This season has had failure written all over it from day 1.

I'd be amazed if Wilson was sacked before the end of January. We've got two tough away games in a row and if we get 2 or 3 points we'll have done fairly well. The big test comes in the three games after, which are the kind of games where we should be picking up points but haven't done so far.

When it gets to the point of supporters seriously discussing the manager being sacked and the manager himself saying he will "soldier on", is there ever a way back? Surely it's when and not if?

The Valley could well be the place of his highest moment as town manager and the lowest.

I reckon we'll come away with a point.

That "soldier on" article did make me let out a big sigh. I just wish he showed a bit more emotion at times.

I'm a bit fed up of hearing post-match interviews where he's asked why we can't seem to perform and he just says "I don't know". At least Kingy used to come out and blame Ifil/the pitch/the burgers.

Agree sounds a bit like an acceptance of the inevitable....personally, don't think Paul Trollope is the man. but that's who it'll be.

He will stay until we are safe from relegation then he will depart by mutual consent.

My tits were on fire as i drove through Wroughton with DW coming out with the shite he was.

"I dont know why!"

Then i hope he goes now and we get a change in momentum that sometimes comes with a change of manager.

I don't expect this team to make a play off surge but what i do expect is a team who is capable of playing good football to do that and to see so many good players playing so awful is what concerns me most not our league position.

As i have said before to see half of last years team sat on the bench this season through Wilsons choice is what gets me. He is still trying to accomodate players to justify bringing them in imo.

I fucking hope not.

i'm not liking all this trollope talk at all.
why will it be him? why the hell should it?
no no fucking no.

It's regs way of trying to get a bit.

with Fatbury

We're already on a Malpas style run of results as proved by the exact same points tally from the same number of games.  



This sums it up perfectly Si.  I'm surprised so many people are still backing Wilson to turn things around.  How much longer is reasonable, until March/April and then it could be too late?

I know that Fitton thinks he did a decent job at Rovers on a smaller budget than ours, young for a manager but has some experience, local boy and available within wage structure....got to be right up there.

Listen peeps................Wilson is here to stay.

i would see it as a stupid move.
not an improvement on what we currently have imo.
if wilson does get the boot i think fitton will need to change his system next time around with regards to who he employs.
either stretch the budget on a bigger name boss, or make an offer to someone like gary neville,who based on yesterdays performance for man u will be a manager sooner rather than later...

says who ?

says leefer, the same way reg says our next manager will be trollope.

I hope both are wrong.

Of course they are, just stupid delusional fans like the rest of us, all thinking we know best.

Don't know if this is probably more in hope but i get the feeling Fitton would enjoy working with a young eddie howe type manager.

Which is why Fitton will want to stick with Wilson.....our fans assume that by sacking the manager we'll appoint someone sexy, it doesn't quite work like that though, unless you're a Diamond Mike spending someone else's money that the club doesn't actually have.

If we're hoping to progress the CG then costs on playing staff will need to be contained accordingly, so options will be cheap.

Our next manager will be either Danny Trollope or Paul Wilson.

An outside chance could be Danaul Willope who has made his name as assistant manager of the national team of Vanuatu.

Sadly I think Trollope would be a Fitton type appointment, wouldn't surprise me at all.

I expect to get shot down for this but I wouldn't mind Dennis Wise back here, we could do a lot worse.......   :crucified:

I know he fucked off before but would have a stable board here this time around, he would get the players fit and there would be no lack of effort that is for sure, he would have them motivated.

I don't think Wilson is going anywhere soon though.

Have I missed something? Has Trollope been appointed?

yeah

in 1981.

PAH! I'll give him 121 games.

FWIW i like Danny as a manager, i think he has shown us that he knows how to get results at this level. He took a piss poor team from Malpas added a couple of players and kept us up.

He then assembled a team that played some of the best football we have seen at the county ground for some time, we were a happy camp, birds sang and babies laughed. We got to wembers and lost.

In the close season we bought well, we all agreeed at the time that the signings were decent and all thought the squad was capable. However a couple of defeats, some suspensions and some injuries drained some of our swagger from last season. Maybe the dynamic in the changing room changed with new players coming in and results not going our way. Winning has a great way of papering over personality clashes in any team, losing has a great ability to place dynamite in those personality clashes and cause major ruptions.

Danny couldn't have known whether some players would gel in a football sense or a personality sense. For whatever reason they haven't and we have been poor. This doesn't make Danny a bad manager. He isn't stupid he will be able to see where the problmes lie and he has january to resolve them. For what he has accomplished thus far at our club i think he will and hope he does. Either way we're in for an interesting month.

As fans we have our opinion and it seems high expectations and poor performances have created quite an air of doom and gloom. For the time being though i'm still behind him.

 :nod:

 As for Wise, remember his staff?  The squad photo for that season had more back room staff than players....paid for by Bill Power's million.

 Wise is still probably being paid a mill a year by Newcastle for sitting on his thin arse...of course, as Arriba suggests, it is possible that the Board might have a complete change of heart about strategy, but we've seen nothing so far to think this might happen.

I'd actually be happy with Trollope if we sack Wilson.

Danny Wilson isn't a Paul Trollope type appointment. Heck you could argue that neither is Mo Malpas.

All this waffling on about 'Fitton type' appointments why don't you just say...

"I think Fitton will go cheap and appoint Paul Trollope."

?

Paul Trollope wouldn't be an end of the world appointment but you'd think that it was a done deal reading stuff on here.

The problem is that the same thing has happened at every club he has managed and that can't just be a coincidence, for whatever reason he seems unable to sustain a few seasons of prolonged success. As others have mentioned he doesn't seem to have a Plan B so once he gets found out things on the pitch rapidly go backwards.

All 3 were unemployed at the time of appointment or hypothetical appointment as it were.

Did we really buy well?

We failed to sign any player in the positions we had lost (CB,LM,CF), signed two left backs, a right back which wasn't a problem area last season and Prutton who really is just a poor mans Douglas - and I would guess he is taking up a good chunk of the wage bill.

Yes but we always appoint unemployed managers. Hardly a Andrew Fitton trait.

Not least the fact that Fitton has only appointed two managers and Trollope doesn't fit the profile of Malpas or Wilson

Then a Trollope replaced a nearly man...Bob Smith, who finished 5th, nearly got to Wembley, and produced a fine attacking side with a slightly dodgy defence.  Lost his Captain to the Gayers, and couldn't sort the defence, so 5 defeats in a row cost his job.

Smith had spent a bit of money....with mixed results, so the Board went for the cheap option.

well, that makes it official then.

Stegenfreud speaks sense.

Wilson's managerial record is nothing special, He's never got a team promoted from this league including having about 3-4 attempts at City and failing then they appoint a new manager and get promoted.

Took MK Don's down as well and doesn't have a consistent record at all, It's very up and down.

Are you the fabled Wilson out man?

I'm all for criticism but can we please stop spinning/doctoring! It's not hard to indicate that there are patterns that follow Wilson around but must we lie in order to make a point?

Firstly, Bristol City took two managers and three seasons after Danny Wilson left for them to get promoted! It wasn't as easy as you're suggesting

Does his achievement at Barnsley not count because it was so long ago?

Hartlepool were expected to rot in League Two before he turned up.

Some of the stick Wilson has received is fair and true but credit where it's due.

Me too Dave

Bob Smith did bloody well for us but went a bit wibble when he went to sign Channon from Soton and got Peach instead. That was our LC money gone.
Smith didn't go over results - it was his and Tanner's choice of fuckbuddyies that was the issue - allegedly.

Fuck me I'd rather keep Wilson than end up with Alan Knill. In fact I'd rather bloody Malpas back than Alan Knill.

Do you mean Trantor? Set himself up owning old people's homes after getting the axe at STFC.

Not too sure about Mick Channon...but if you read his autobiography, interestingly he says that he'd signed for STFC as a callow youth in Orcheston, but Soton nipped in late, and as his dad was a Soton fan, they reneged on the deal and the rest is history.

6 defeats in a row suggests otherwise...you've got to have a lot of credit in the bank to survive such a shit run.

I'm backing DW.

He saved us from relegation, then almost got us promoted in the space of just 18 months.

He has made mistakes, but deserves time and goodwill from the fans to sort this out.

This thread is awfully quiet...

yeah, Trollope got appointed we moved on. keep up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yydlX7c8HbY&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=MLGxdCwVVULXcgWROti1TLgh7BnaJBpQ4C

Full volume will do

Don Goodman

Agreed  :bye:

Happy to retract my Wilson out statements following Saturday's display if things improve from here and today wasn't just a one game wonder.   :)

  ;D

One game doesn't change my feelings.

How much of today was down to Wilson, rather than Charlton playing crap and our players pulling their fingers out?

Jonny i have had a pop as much as anyone but fair play wilson made some very brave changes today and deserves praise for that.

Have a pop when we lose and praise when they do well is always the way i do it makes you seem such a miserable cunt if not

That's the spirit. Give Wilson shit when they play shit and then give none of the credit to him when they play (bloody) well. :clap:

The next couple of games will tell.  I sincerely hope that Wilson did have something to do with today.  Let's be honest he probably knew he was under immense pressure if we lost again.

We did a straw poll of the London reds in the pub before the game today, the result was 100% DW is the best manager we can have, not one even thought he should go before the end of the season, wherever we finish.

Read the Charlton board.

Knobs on there...similar to Millwall fans.
Love to twat them in the playoffs again

I just have this feeling that even Wilson doesn't know whether he did or not and that if he did he's not sure exactly what it was that he did that did it.

Don't get me wrong, if he has got a grip then great but it's going to take a lot more than one game to convince me.

Don't tell me, "We shouldn't be losing to (shit) teams like Swindon" ::)

That may be because you're a cunt? And not a nice, friendly type of cunt, just a total cunt (Although not as much of a cunt as Glos Red).
Every time we lose Wilson gets pelters, yet when we win the manager has fuck all to do with it?

How about playing 4-5-1, persisting with Ritchie when many fans had given up on him, bringing in Seano who was solid and scored, using O'Brien to get behind them, and strengthening the centre of the park to give Prutton a bit more freedom and protect the backline.

Apart from that, the result had very little to do with Wilson.

exactly what I said, minus the swearing and with facts to back it up.

Do you mean glos robin ;)

Does that ,ake me a nice cunt

No

Fuck off lips

I accepted my humble pie for today in the matchday thread but one game doesn't make a season and it'd be nice to actually kick on for once and not revert to Saturdays tripe again.
If you've honestly enjoyed anything thus far about this season then fair play but I've largely hated every minute...... I'll stand by for more abuse though as it's your usual M.O.

Obviously. He is a total cunt.

It's not his usuall he just finds you more irritating than thrush

Up yours fatty!

I'm not 100% against Wilson, but this goes back to the end of last season for me and I haven't actually criticized him much until now (after the Bournemouth game) - so I'll need to see a bit more before I join the Wilson Is Ace club which everyone else seems to have joined already.

Wilson has put together an excellent team for League One on a limited budget - full credit to him for that. It just pisses me off to see them playing so badly week in week out and being near the drop zone when they're good enough to be in the top 3.

When we're doing well you're usually conspicuous by your absence. You are a negative twat who gets off on despair and despondancy. In other words, you are a cunt.

Don't go using logic, the Mongs don't understand that.

Just accept when we lose it's Wilson's fault and all the players are shit, but when we win its because the opposition are really just rubbish.  

There's no room in that opinion for facts or logic

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Like it Steve!

That's clearly not fucking true is it, as the bloke posted on both the match-day thread and on here.

And as for the rest of it. Ask yourself, at the beginning of the season would you have thought 17th, after 7 wins 7 draws 8 losses would have been acceptable at this point? Me neither.

This win won't change that unless it's the start of a sustained run of good form. And there have been a few false dawns already since August.

A few people, me included, aren't about to get all happy clappy because we pull off the odd decent win. When those wins start being a little fucking closer together that'll be different.

I agree with Herthab but without the nasty :) glos_robin has always been of a negative poster that goes on far beyond this season, that's his thang.

Odd that all the mouthy fuckers slagging off those who'd run out of patience with Wilson for only being online after a defeat, and having nothing to say when we'd won, are themselves nowhere to be seen this evening.

Hey Mr Hertha Pot, let me introduce you to Mr Kettle............

To be fair, it's going to take them a while to climb out of the hole they dug for themselves.

It may be something to do with having a life....we lost at Oldham, hardly a surprise was it.

If Nick Clegg loses at Oldham, does it make him a bad Deputy Prime Minister?

If they had any view to getting rid of him they should have done it before January to give a new manager chance to bring in new players

For the record, I wouldn't sack him

I may be wrong but isn't he out of contract at the end of the season?

yes he is

I don't think any of us Swindon supporters have lives do we :-)

Isn't he on a 1yr rolling contract?

Even if he is (and no one has provided an evidence to suggest that is the case) I don't see how it makes any difference as it would cost the same no matter when he leaves (whether forced or voluntary).

Who would you replace him with?

It is interesting that, statistically over the last 5 years, less than 50% of English league clubs who sack their manager between December and January (i.e. When there is time enough to make a difference) finish the season in a better position than they were in when they sacked him.

So for over 50% of the clubs it does make a difference, hence statistically we'd be better of we sack Wilson now.

More than half the clubs finished in either the same position, or lower.

Who would you replace him with?

Whoops, read that the other way round.

I wouldn't get rid of him unless there was a decent manager with a history of getting clubs like ours promoted to the Championship (or beyond) lined up to replace him. Whilst there is normally a good supply of such managers looking for work I'm not sure Fitton would want to pay the salaries they command.

I'm sorry, I haven't been around the last few days, too busy enjoying myself.

We lost away at Oldham, big fucking deal. I still think there are posters on here who get off on moaning and who never post anything positive.

Why that's upset you so much, I don't know and tbh I don't give a shit.

I expected us to take a maximum of 3 points from the last two games. We got 3 points.

We now have Yeovil, Rovers, Tranmere and Exeter. THESE are the games we need to be winning.

These next 4 games will define our season.

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Between midtable safety or shitting ourselves......

I'll take the former please.

Even as a rock solid Wilson supporter, I think that next saturdays home game against Yeovil is vital, and a 100% must win game for all the playing staff.

Must win, no excuses. Its going to cause serious long term to the club damage if we dont draw a line in the sand now and get some results.

Orient at home was the vital must win game if we wanted to get in the play offs, and we failed. Yeovil this saturday is the must win game if we dont want to be fighting relegation for the rest of the season.

I agree with Nick Spencer.

Dont understand this - you are saying we have no chance of the POs, yet we could still be relegated. Yet we are 5 points from the relegation zone & 5 points from the POs.

Yes there are more teams between us & 6th than there are between us and 20th, but 2 or 3 wins from the next 4 games will be just as great as 2 or 3 defeats will be disastourous

Bam.

We look infinitely more likey to produce 2 or 3 defeats rather than 2 or 3 wins though don't we?

But all the teams below us have games in hand on us, therefore it's more likely that the gap between us and the relegation mire will be narrowed once those games are played. Currently we're potentially in an artificially higher league position than we actually will be. Erm, you know what I mean.

We'll produce 2 wins and 2 defeats, the way we've been going this season. I forgot we've played a game more - 2 in Orients case - than those below. Bums are going to get squeaky.

you seem to have completely ignored the fact we're pretty crap.

Although we did manage to win 3 in a row in September but I cant help but feel those still expecting 'us to go on a run like we did last season' have alot of misplaced faith.

Having said that we've only lost back to back games once this season.

Which pretty much tells us what we already know we're inconsistent so will probably finish roughly where we are now. We will win some, we will lose some, we will draw alot.

However, its stating the obvious but Charlie has played a massive part is every point we've picked up this season...now...if he does go...

And fans will start to turn. Unfortunately.

The transfer window is of course open, and it may be that we find what we need there to pull away from the bottom.

Look at the 16 teams above us, up to 3rd. We would have to beat 12 of those 16 teams. To be honest, 3 of the 4 teams that are in the play off places now will probably finnish in the play offs. Finnishing in the top half from here would be a good achievement.

I find if I ignore things I dont like for long enough, they tend to go away. If only it would work with the wife....

Absolutely correct, the fans will turn sadly... is it me or do we seem to be overall a much more fickle bunch than most clubs?

As always, the loans coming will be near the end of the window I anticipate. Those who were possibly hoping to get a Chmapionship club etc but end up coming here to get regular football!


Look on the bright side boys, a relegation dogfight is a lot more fun to support than mid season mediocrity!! :D

I think I'd have said the opposite.  Most have been quite accepting of the board's desire to build things up slowly.  Of course, there is a limit and something will snap eventually if things don't improve...but I certainly would not say we're any more fickle than most.

Not quite sure I see your logic here - everybody is beating everybody this season and 2 or 3 wins can really make a difference to our position. I dont think we will make the POs this year, but I also dont think we will go down. Getting rid of Wilson now will probably not change either of those, we just need to decide if he is the right man to take us forward long term - if he is we stick with him, if he isn't we change at the end of the season

If you look at the clubs recently who have sacked their Manager have they improved ? if DW was to go we will have the same players
Therefore some of the players need to look at themselves as well.
We   have not had a good run of form since we beat Leeds away

2 or 3 wins in the next 3 games would get us top half. We'd have to go unbeaten for about 3 months to get in the play offs.

This is the way it works, they look deceptively near. The 04-05 season a classic example. But the problem is there are lots of teams, and some of them are about to hit good form.

I don't agree with that. It a universal  thing when reality doesn't meet expectation, not a Swindon Town exclusive.

Case in point, Liverpool FC fans. Something closer to our level, Charlton. Etc, etc.

FWIW I don't think we have a hope in hell of reaching the playoffs. Too inconsistent (obviously). However I don't think we are as far off being a good team as some think (Hence why I'd keep Wilson, despite this seasons results being Malpaseaque in terms of results). Its so frustrating. Problem is the squad is bound to break up a bit come July.

So what is the average length of time that Wilson has been a manager at the clubs he's managed, I suppose what I'm getting at is does he last on average 18 months - 2 yearess befoe he got sacked or moved on ?

1994–1998 Barnsley
1998–2000 Sheffield Wednesday
2000–2004 Bristol City
2004–2006 Franchise
2006–2008 Hartlepool United
2008– Present Swindon Town

At least 2 years everywhere and a couple of 4 year stints as well.

I haven't been upset. Like I give a shit if you abuse some fucker I've never met and are never likely too. But you posted on a public forum after a victory, slagging off those who "are negative" in your opinion and banging on about them not posting when things are going well, (even when some of the the targets of your abuse were actually fucking replying to your posts).

If you do that, and the next week you don't appear on the forum for a couple of days after yet another abject fucking defeat, someone is likely to point that out.

I just got there first.

So a defeat at Oldham away was inevitable? That'll be the same Oldham side spanked 6-0 at home by Southampton last night?

No mention of inevitablity from me...just not much of a surprise.

I would think it's inevitable that Clegg will get his arse kicked by the sensible citizens of Oldham.

That'll be the same Southampton we beat 1-0?

Can't really look at individual results that easily, need to take the pattern of the season. Going into the away games I'd have taken three points from Charlton and Oldham, they just came at the ground we weren't expecting. The big games are the next four home games which are eminently winnable.

In September we did yes. These two results are 4 fucking days apart. Oldham aren't anything like a good side in this league and we got nowhere near them.

Before the Southampton game, they'd lost once at home all season. I'd suggest the aberration was the Southampton game, not ours. Sure, it was a disappointing result, but it's not Nail-Wilson-to-a-Tree bad.

I like tetchy Lumps (that sounds odd).

Someone please keep poking him with a stick until he bursts.

Thanks.

Anyone think Wilson will get the sack if we don't beat Yeovil?

No

... but Nemo might nail him to a tree. As a friendly warning