Thetownend.com

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/9023153.New_Town_boss_to_be_announced_on_Wednesday/

I reckon they've already got a good idea about who they want

For fucks sake. Can't they get on with it?

They're giving Di Canio time to pack

Well who do you think
For me Burley has the job :sherlock:

This was announced at 7.40am today by RS. Slow adver, slow...

So, our eight are Di Canio, Burley, MacPherson, Hughes, Trollope, Rix, Magilton and Money with Bodin not interviewed as he's already spoken to Wray?

Hughes and Macpherson are hopefully just making the numbers up.  Don’t know anything about Mac but Hughes was a total disaster at Hibs and apparently caused a lot problems in the dressing room.

Burley is the standout candidate for me

My choices in order of preference, anything on the same line is equal preference:

Burley,
Money,  Di Canio,
Bodin,
Trollope,
Magilton,
Rix.

I know naff all about Hughes/MacPherson (and little more about the rest!).

Think if it doesn't go to Burley if that list is correct then we'll have made a massive mistake, he's just too good an opportunity to pass up, especially given over half of the names on said list.

Who the fuck are Hughes and MacPherson??? (I haven't been in touch with the STFC mary-go-round for nearly 3 months, so haven't a clue what's goin' on!)

So i take it all the shit about Hoddle being favourite for the job was a load of bullshit then? Thought so!
Burley's a good shout, but i'd like to see Di Canio get it, just for a laugh ennit!

If so, my order of preference would be as follows:

Burley
Di Canio
Trollope
Money
Hughes
McPherson
Magilton
Rix

Very happy
Happy
Pleased
Indifferent
Suicide watch

That's pretty much my view, although I'd be as happy with Trollope/Money as I would with Di Canio

I believe that Peter Taylor is on the shortlist also - I'd be surprised if Rix was on there

This bird should get the job

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Or this managerial dream team

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Di Canio or Burley.

that photo is a little shaky. Clearly you have your cock in one had with your phone taking a picture in the other. Dirty Boy

From my Hibs supporting friend

John Hughes (Yogi) is definitely a character, he would maybe be a good choice. Good record in Scotland (he was always ahead of Owen Coyle until his move to Burnley) however things turned sour towards his time at us. None of you lot would be able to understand him either!!

Gus Mac was average in SPL, he kept St Mirren in the SPL but never much else, not the most inspirational

He also says this: - You could do one better and take CC off us, the players he wants to sign are horrendous!!

I worry about you Tans.

1) Why are you watching This Morning ?

2) Why have you paused it to take a picture of a fat bird ?

Dunno to both questions

She is in miss swindon

if that is the shortlist,am i wrong to think it's a bit underwhelming?
think it could have been better really.

not for a league 2 club it's not

Once the policy is not to head hunt someone, but to get applications in, then you're stuck with those that apply.

Burley is the stand out candidate, but his career has gone nowhere in recent years and ending up at STFC might just confirm that. Therefore I'd steer clear.

Of the rest Trollope would be the best bet.

He had a wonderful spell at Hearts taking them top of the league before Romanov lost the plot and fired him.

I wouldn't be averse to him being manager.

yep agree.burley and trollope are the 2 that stand out.

I'm still holding out for a surprise because there's a few on the 'list' that are a bit meh.

How long ago now? 

Giving Burley a wide berth is a gut feeling...if he ended up as boss, I'd give him 5 games before calling for his head.

I seem to remember Craig Burley saying that the reason George didn't do well with Scotland was that the players were "too thick to understand what he was asking them to do"

Would be interesting to see what he'd make of our lot...

I've just checked Burley's stats as a manager. I'm actually a lot more impressed that I thought I would be. He did an amazing job at Ipswich, did well at both Saints and Derby taking them to the play-offs in The Championship and totally transformed Hearts in the short time he was there. He did fail at Scotland and Palace though which were his last 2 jobs. In fairness international management is a different kettle of fish and Palace were really financially strained in his time there. I think given his record and experience he'd be a good choice. Shame he's another Jock but you can't have everything.

Head says Burly

Heart says Il Dux

It's either Dux (Latin) or Il Duce (Italian). Honestly, these noobie-neos! :)

I'll start my own movement

It absolutely has to be Burley for me. Head and shoulders above the rest.

How the fuck is there any debate on this?

If Burley is actually a candidate the board would be absolutely fucking mental to appoint any of the other shite on that shortlist.

Reg's gut can fuck off as it clearly doesn't have a clue what it's on about. His career may not have been too fantastic for the last couple of years, but he spent most of it managing Scotland at possibly the lowest point of their international history.

The only club where he wasn't much more successful in terms of results than any manager we've had in 15 years, is Crystal Palace, which was on it's fucking arse when he was there.

Pay him what it takes for fuck sake!

Is this a definitive shortlist?

Burley would definitely edge it for me although I'd be happy with Money.

Premier League manager of the year to (possible) Swindon Town manager in 10 years. Poor guy.

I'm glad you didn't sulk off and not come back last night. Best post in the thread.

In fact, the only two I definitely wouldn't want to get the job are Rix and Magilton. I could cope with di Canio unless he started saluting the Arkells.

I happen to agree with Reg

As a matter of interest, why does Trollope stand out ahead of Richard Money?

I'm still gone if they appoint that Di Canio fucker. I couldn't be doing with it.

:)

Well then you're wrong too. Let's hope the board are better informed than you and Reg's gastric system

Burley will get the job...no question about it

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This is a yakult type thing.....seem to recall Burley's spell at the Saints not being particularly successful.....Scotland was always going to end in tears and Palace was no good. By my reckoning Burley has been on a downhill spiral for 5 or 6 years. I wonder if this doesn't incline a boss to be a bit cynical about football. 

If it is Burley, then fair enough...we'll soon find out.

Di Canio for me, the rest can get fucked

Now if that PDC's head on philip schofields body that would be ace!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

You really are too easy to wind up.

He took them to the play-offs. They started to go downhill after he left for Scotland, although that was as much financial as managerial (he left after complaining he'd had his best players sold from under him to stave off administration). My Saints supporting mate recalls him as being a fantastic manager. I'm more inclined to rely on his recollections tbh

Another plus with Burley is that it would force the directors to leave the manager to the football side of things more. Burley isn't a yes man.

Fair enough point....Soton had become a basket case by the time he left. Think a fantastic manager would probably have got them up and still be in the Prem.

On paper Burley is the best pick by far....so what's he doing here?

That's also a fair point. My mate may have been remembering through rose-tinted specs. He's been in annoyingly good humour these past few weeks

Maybe he needs a job and we are a smaller version of Ipswich ? plus Their Local rivals play in Yellow???

Guessing no one has any objections to burley despite his alcoholism then?if there's anything that will turn him back to the bottle,it'll be managing our lot!

You what?

He drinks too much. OH MY GOD. Can't have him here

Hoddle made a very stupid comment about disabled people, which shows that no one is perfect and that most people would be happy to overlook this. Much like unless he starts swaying on the touchline and pissing against the dugout i dont care that Burley likes a tipple..its a drop in the ocean compared to Rix's sins

Id rather a fascist than an alcy ;D

Di Canio or Burley.

I'd rather Albie the racist dragon

Apparently some sponsors could pull out if Di Canio gets the job. I cant see the board risking his appointment to be honest.

Not exactly a major sponsor though...


http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9025070.We_don___t_want_Di_Canio_at_town/

Cheap advertising that.

Boo hoo hoo... I'm sure we'd attract more sponsors with Di Canio involved

Burley for me, though in terms of CV it's not wildly different from Danny Wilson"

Championship promotion & Premiership experience (Barnsley/Ipswich) / mixed experience at a 'sleeping giant' (Wednesday/Soton) / couple of nothing jobs (Hartlepool/Scotland).

Burley's CV edges it with a better Prem experience and turning clubs around, but they're of a similar calibre in my view.

In fact:

Wilson: Managed 841 league games. Win rate 39.2%. LMA Manager of the Year 1997
Burley: Managed 686 league games. Win rate 43.1% LMA Manager of the Year 2000

 Bit of a shame, but if they have official policy then so be it. Article reads like there are no hard feelings.

It was Di Canio all the way for me, until I saw that George Burlery is on the list...

Gotta be him hasn't it?

Personally, I think Di Canio is the 'big name' that most fans would've heard of and will great the 'feeling' around the club. Di Canio will more than likely get more fans in to start with.

Whilst Burley is the experienced name but not as big/well known.


It's a difficult one for the club.

Think Burley is pretty well known from his time at Ipswich no?

As mentioned above, if the names hinted at are indeed the candidates, he stands out by a distance.

i'm staggered that people actually see di canio as a good shout for boss.the bloke is a loose cannon who can't control himself,let alone run a football club.
he won't get the job.wray cannot be that daft

I think more fans (especially the younger ones) would know of Di Canion rather than Burley?

Fair point Sippo, just saying that its not like Burley is a complete unknown or anything.

Burley or Hughes, cheers.

Right on...no way Di Canio should be spoken to even. No experience, it would be too much of a risk to take this guy on. And surely we have had enough of dour Scots at this club...surely we can get someone more inspirational than Burley. Ever heard him being interviewed...?? :zzz:

I'll just reiterate that we've had a fair amount of success giving untried managers their opportunity here...

Absolutely agree. Appointing Di Canio would create a real buzz around the club, plus surely the players would react better to an ex-player who's been there and got the t-shirt, rather some dour old twat with no passion??

yes that's true.
i wouldn't be against a rookie boss.not di canio though

Isn't it about time we had a poll? No idea how to set one up mind you....

http://thetownend.com/index.php/topic,43808.0.html (http://thetownend.com/index.php/topic,43808.0.html)

Yeah, understand your logic... his personality might be unsuitable for management, nothing to do with inexperience. I think this is what Wray needs to consider.

The thing that worries me about Di Canio is that he comes across a bit selfish and as a total chancer.

I don't understand that.

And people seem to be forgetting that Wise was a bit of a nutter on the pitch, he did all right at management.

If Di Canio is serious about management I can't see why his personality as a player will affect him.

If his will to win is the same then I don't see the problem.

I only say that because I was having a chat about him to Paul McCarthy who works for the NOTW. He was adamant that, at West Ham, he was very selfish, didn't really intergrate with his teammates and refused to play a number of times away from home and also refused to travel with the team when he was only going to be on the bench.

I remember when he got suspended for pushing the ref over, he went AWOL in Rome and Sky were trying to find him to give him an interview, was very comical actually, but raises the point, is he reliable enough to be a manager, some people just don't have the characteristics.

Again just putting over a point, he could be brilliant for us.

Mourhino isn't exactly the most introvert of people either

And fucked off after 17 games.

With Di Canio it would all depend on the assistant he brought in with him.

Well yeah.

But I'm pointing out that people saying he can't manage because of his personality/temperament is just a big bunch of ball bags.

Good point.

but clearly a great man manager.

We can't judge Di Canio on that because he's never managed before.

I'm split on this one. Part of me thinks he could just be what we need, part of me thinks he's too wreckless to manage a set of players.

How do we know that Di Canio isn't?

Ian Holloway.

What a quiet, unassuming chap he is. Not in the slightest bit controversial.

i knew that was coming.
look at how he has conducted himself as a player.kinda gives clues to his personality.

dont bother coming back with how do we know that he will act the same as a manager either. ;)

a man who make his players feel 10 feet tall. mad but endearing.
di canio-mad and devisive

Well.................................

Divisive how?

Because some disagree with his ideas about politics. Many disagree with Hoddle's views on religion, does that mean we don't want him either?

If i put myself into the mindset of a league 2 footballer, i think i'd really like to impress and learn from someone of Di canio's stature. I'd also respect and take orders from Burley. Not sure how I'd react to a Bodin or Trollope... not sure if that angle gets considered though, after all, adkins was a bloody physio and commanded respect and performances.

Agreed Arriba

Where's he working as manager now BR ?

his political views will divide some,but i was more on about how he acted as a footballer.

But he did alright which is the question isn't it. On that basis we wont have a manager as none on that list have a job.

I don't see your point Nev.

Did he or did he not do well as a manager?

That Brian Clough was always a quiet bloke

What did he do as a footballers that will be divisive?

Oh yeah, one of the best ever.

Fine example of the perfect gentleman.

I guess people are commenting on when he put his hands on a ref and the ref took the most dramatic tumble beyond even C. Ronaldos capabilities

Started well with us, then jumped ship. Didn't do much for Leeds though did he ?

Nev

I think you're deliberately trying to avoid the point.

This is what i am waiting for people to say as as far as i can remember it's the only bad thing he has done as a footballer which is what matters isn't it. On that basis we should hang david prutton aswell

as a footballer it was all about him.we've seen things he did and heard about other things he allegedly did. he may well change as a manager, but i dont think we should give him that chance.as a player he only had to worry about himself.totally different task as a manager. i dont think he has the right personality to manage stfc.

Being serious here and not arguing but what is he supposed to have done mate.

What, you mean like not scoring into an empty net because an opposition player was down?

Hang on

He did actually do quite well at Leeds

I'm probably wrong then. I don't rate the bloke as a manager - chances are it was Poyet's influence

But you quoted a bit about selfishness and the fact Wise fucked off to Leeds so soon was partly down to selfishness. I think I got the wrong end of the stick by you post though. I think you meant:

I don't understand why people would think Di Canio is selfish.

Another concern which has been expressed is Di Canio's actions and his temperament. Wise was also a nutter on and off the pitch and it didn't affect his ability to manage

Likewise my post went completey over your head it seems.

been covered earlier in the thread. allegedly very selfish and petulant when he was a player.

Ah right ok pretty much like 99% of footballers though isn't it. Don't get me wrong i understand why people don't want him

Fear of the unknown is what I think most Town fans are suffering with about Di Canio, its all ifs and buts.

What we need to rememeber is he is 1 of 6 to 8 that have been interviewed, while this board have made a few mistakes in the past if they see a loose cannon in the interview does anyone really think they would allow him within an inch of taking over as manager just to maybe put a few more bums on seats?

I think people are just trying to look for reasons as to why he shouldn't be manager.

He won't be any good because:

A) No experience - Bollocks. Even the best start without experience
B) Fiery temperament - Bollocks. Some of the best are firery.
C) Selfish player - Bollocks. What would that have to do with managing?

I can't think of any reason why either of this or even all three combined will mean he cannot manage.

Fact is, we don't know.

Latest odds on manager for those interested.

https://www.victorchandler.mobi/#/sports/3/meetings/126456098/events/253838300/markets

I remember when he caught the ball on the Everton 18 yard line, we all thought it was because he could see that the keeper had a serious injury, when really he did it to get all the plaudits.

The selfish bastard!

I think he could do well, perhaps because I want him to but I think he has all the right characteristics to galvanise a team - despite his colourful past.

He could be a hell of a lot different as a manager than he was as a player, he's in his 40's now and I'm sure he's learned a thing or two since retiring and becoming a qualified coach.

Nothing on it. Stupid child

https://www.victorchandler.mobi/sports/3/meetings/126456098/events/253838300/markets/5704751/outcomes

Burley evens
DiCanio 3's

I remember Poyet being a bit firey in his day, and even here as assistant manager. Anyone remember him chinning Gareth Davies in a pre-season friendly while at Spurs? He's turned that fire in to passion, desire, determination and drive... Di Canio could do the same?

Sorry 'bout that.

Won't be Mickey Adams then:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/port_vale/9483239.stm

Paul Trollope only 6-1!!!!!

(runs down shop)

If it's not Trollope I will personally come and kick you in the bollocks to shut you up once and for all

:)

:D

all I can say Fred is that he attended all the games home and away for about 10 matches and had an interview today

I am surprised you can still talk what with his cock shoved so far down your throat  :D

So did i and i sent a CV.

Ollie Howitt's odds have shortened from 200/1 to 150/1.

So who do people think it will be for me a 3 way split
Burley
PDC
Trollope
Not sure which way it will go
Burley and PDC will attract players to the club not sure if trollope will

Burley or Dux

Burley or Trollope (with Bodin)

Lets get real here...it got to be Trollope with without Bodin. the italian wont come to Swindon and we dont want Durley

So why would he apply for the job, and fly in for an interview?

Yea, yea I know you are convinced but I just cannot see it...he wont want to make an arse of himself being a proud Italian and not entirely sure he has the balls if it starts to go wrong....

So why would he apply for the job, and fly in for an interview?

Perhaps he wants to get a feel for managing a lower league club, perhaps he wants his ego stoked....perhaps he`s a bit hard up and he fancies a trip to Wiltshire....fucks knows but I cant see him getting it. I dont think Wray will want to take the risk. This is bottom basement and we need to get out...not the time for taking on untried foreigner

Because it's too far to walk ?

Why has it got to be Trollope? While I think he did a great job at Bristol Rovers on a limited budget, I think there are question marks over how good he is without a DOF

But you said ten minutes ago he won't come to Swindon

Cant argue with that...but I sort of meant he wouldn`t come and manage STFC rather than visit the glorious Swindon

mixed bag on PDC. has he just got his name in the press for a managers job to try and attract a better deal? or is he serious about learning his trade at the bottom and working his way up?

either way i don't think Wray is going to hire PDC due to the fact they have a set plan of wanting out of this division at the first attempt and PDC is an unknown so they'd be taking a massive punt on him acheiving something at the first attempt.

if Burley has applied we'd be stupid not to hire him.

So why would he apply for the job, and fly (or walk) in for an interview?

I'm getting dizzy

More so Di Canio. Many of todays players would have watched him for years and looked up to him.  We'd get players who might otherwise go for L1 clubs looking at us this summer and coming to us because he's in charge. What would be interesting is who he'd bring in as assistant. He'd want someone he knows I suspect. Who did he work with at West Ham that might be looking to get into coaching now?

I think half of the job (hmm, maybe a third) in being the successful manager for us next season will be the creation of a bit of hype, and the ability to attract (and keep) quality players.

For me, it has to be Burley. A good track record, and a pretty big name in the footballing world (for us anyway). After him, I'd go for PDC, purely because he's a big name, the hype around it would be pretty big, from the local and national media. Also, both are likely to have some very good contacts, and both would have the ability to attract players to the club, and persuade the current crop to stay.

when i mention a better deal i mean attracting a higher profile club.

If he was to get Steve Lomas in, the TEF would officially have won.

 Lincoln went for the big untried Prem name player....Chris Sutton...oh

Because Trollope wont cost a fortune to employ and he has experience at this level. Has Burley managed at this level before - Di Canio just to much of a risk.

and then they went for the experienced steady hand in Tilson...oh

Do we know if Burley is even on the list? Has BBC Swindon said anything like they did about PDC?

If he's hard up why would he fly to England for a trip to Wiltshire?

maybe not even on the list but agent refused to confirm so to me that says he is

...which goes to prove that sometimes appointing a name works, and sometimes it doesn't.  Hardly conclusive.

It's the ideas that the name brings with him that matter.  Without them, the only benefit you'll see will be maybe 500 extra season tickets, a few hundred others added to the gate each Saturday for the first few weeks of the season and one or two players on the books who otherwise would have turned us down.  The novelty of all that will wear off by October if the new man doesn't have a clear idea of what it will take to get us winning again.

So I'll ask again...what sort of football does Di Canio stand for?  How does he like to play and will this need to be adapted for Division 4?  With Burley, it's a little easier to answer those questions.  Not discounting Di Canio at all...but he's going to have to interview well and give credible answers to some basic, but important questions.

As we know to our cost, once the rot has set in, it can be very difficult to change.

Sutton took Hutchinson....clearly a fella with no idea about footballers.

I agree that we dont need to go breaking the bank and getting ourselves back into debt, but just because he is cheap and has experience at this level isn't a great endorsement

Its not a bad start and if he makes a fist of it he will become a real hero...I saw the Rovers game a GC last season and he had completed sussed us...we`ve got to be a bit realistic on who might actually know his way round this league.

Indeed it isn't, because the whole exercise is so hit and miss.  On papar you'd think Sutton would have done OK...big name, comes from a football family, I believe his pop is some sort of youth coach at Norwich, for whom he played, credited with producing some of the talent they churned out a few years back.

Kept his nose reasonably clear of incident apart from the odd drunken fracas, indeed had he applied for our job, many would have wanted him, but with the warning not much lower league experience.

It's the experience that we'll need next season....

I tend to agree.  I have Burley as my favourite, followed fairly by closely by Di Canio and with Trollope as a third choice.  Had we stayed up and Hart had still been shown the door, I would have probably have favoured Di Canio slightly over Burley.

I am being realistic, but Trollopes name has been banded about since March surely we would of just put him in charge and be done with it rather than inviting applicants and creating this media circus of interviews and rumours.
Part of me wonders if he was Fittons choice and that Wray is being fair and giving him the chance of an interview.
As soon as Lenny Lawrence left Rovers they dropped like a stone, I see Trollope as much a risk as anyone.. just a cheaper risk

trollope will go into the interview prepared i'm sure.he has done his homework on the team and his old chap has been around watching the kids. i doubt the others will have much info in the way of what they already know about the club.
i'm sure trollope will have solid views on what he will do for stfc and who comes in and who goes.i think bodin would be his no2 aswell.

as i don't know alot about wray i'm not sure if the lure of a big ex star in di canio will tempt him,likewise the experience of burely's previous roles at the highest level.

at 6-1 trollope looks good value but i'm not going in yet.keep lumping on di-canio folks!!!!!

I'm not adverse to Burley, apart from the nagging gut feeling, that there must be something wrong with him if he's fallen to Div 4....something known about in the football world.

Di Canio would be a disaster quite apart from his divisive politics, we need probably 12 or so new players, how would he approach this? He'll know fuck all about Div 4 Conference etc....so would probably turn to an agent, a bit like Colin T*dd did.

Trollope however has watched us loads, probably knows what needs sorting, and probably knows a few player she'd like to bring in.

No doubt some people will think his drink problem is a factor.  I think it is more likely that his stints at Scotland & Palace have unfairly hurt his reputation, he is an ideal buy low candidate for me.

I fear his stint as Jocko manager and manager of the Eagles sent him to drink in the first place!

It happens....Howard Kendall being a prime case.

Lets be honest cv-wise George Burley is the stand out candidate by a mile and the board would be fools not to employ him. :sherlock:


...So why have I got fingers arms and legs crossed that it's Di Canio!!  :hmmm:

In my opinion managing in the lower leagues is all about getting 11 players to run through walls for you. forget tactics formations and players skill levels, its about being the strongest team. What better talisman to bring the whole club together fans and players alike than a charismatic leader with an obvious passion for the game who will surely be well respected by players at this level?

someone used Chris Sutton as an example of a ex-player failed manager but he was hardly the most inspiring bloke was he? look at that cunt mad dog, no tactical connesuir for sure, but he somehow manages to get his teams to play for him. He manages to inspire shit players somehow.

Di Canio's autobiography is the most entertaining sports book I've ever read. If you haven't read it I can highly recommend it. He is a fascinating character, a born winner, and a bit of a nutter to boot no doubt. There was one story about when he was at Napoli and one of his team mates was getting ribbed at a local restaurant about his looks so Di Canio got the whole team together marched down there and had it out with the manager. can't remember the exact example but I get the impression he values team spirit as a massive commodity and I think that's more important than anything else at this level I really do.

Since it's become apparent this isn't just paper talk and he is a bonafide candidate, I've got that excited anticipation feeling that only football can bring - He could be the greatest thing to happen to this club since Macari. It would absolutely make my summer if we got Paolo in the hallowed hotseat at the CG.

Please make it happen Mr Wray! :beers:

Totally disagree.

You can have that sort of manager for the top teams, they have top players who dont need so much technical coaching so its all about managing the mental aspect, i.e act as some sort of cheerleader to fire them up.

In the lower leagues the players generally aren't great so you need someone out on the training ground teaching them tactics, etc.

Trollope may not be the manager - he may be the coach? something to chew on

It's not Lawrie Sanchez, appointed Barnet manager. Bit unlucky for Grazioli.

Even more unlucky for Barnet

:D

I agree to a point. It's a simple game, even more so in div 4 - it isn't individual brilliance or flowing football which makes you stand out at this level, it's hard work and team spirit I truly believe that. Tactics should be know your job and work hard for each other. Team spirit goes a long long way.

As you go up the leagues its where the tactical and individual brilliance begins to set you apart from the competition but at this level, keep the instructions clear for the players. Get a team of workers that will unite behind the manager and die for the cause. thats the reason I think Di Canio would be perfect for us this season.

Fair enough though, all about opinions!  :nod:

Come on then, what have you heard off your buddy Trolls ?

Do you think that the over 30% of pro footballers in the UK that are of BME origin might think twice about signing for a manager that might give it the fascist salute after every victory. LJF, who I'm has soome experience of living in a country with a sizable extreme right, might think twice about hanging around.

And before anyone goes off on the "he's a fascist not a racist, Italian fascism was different" bollocks AGAIN, I suggest you watch some footage of Italian football and see the fucking obvious relationship between the sections of the crowd that also do that natty salute, and the areas of the ground that pour out the fucking appalling racist abuse of black players. There must be some you-tube footage of Ballotelli playing for Italy, have a watch of that and tell me that the Italian far right aren't racist.

Even if the argument had any more than an once of truth to it, do you really thinkg the average black footballer is going to bother to pick up on that sort of subtle distintion? If you're black that salute tends to mean bad fucking news. Why the fuck would you even think of signing for someone that throws it out every now and again?

No

And since when has he given the salute after "every victory" anyway. From my understanding, he;s done it once.

3 or 4 times on camera I think. Did it after the Roma game and Livorno, can't remember the 3rd (and/or 4th)

Still not every victory, is it?

Not even close.

4 times would be damn near every victory for us...

Well, those were the times he was caught at it. But no, it's not every victory at all. On the other hand (the one that's not being raised in salute, I guess), it's far from a spur of the moment one-off thing as some seem to be rather fondly imagining.

:D

Jesus fucking wept. Don't you lot get bored of going over the same old Di Canio bollocks?

Imagining?

I posted a link on what he had to say about it. About he defends his use of the salute. How is that imagining it Paul?

I just posted a link for others to read and maybe I did say he did it through the emotion at the time (can't remember). Just going by what he says, because I have nothing else to go by. Just like everybody else on this site.

But what I most definitely did not do is anything near the equivalent of spinning it to the point of saying he does it every time, did I?

Erm, I wasn't referring to you BR. Can't remember who did say it, but there did seem to be plenty who were under the impression it was a heat of the moment thing, when it plainly wasn't. But haven't we done this to death now?

Yes, even I do.

We have

I got irritated at the hypocrisy of somebody else really, not you.

I'm not even interested in politics. But those with extreme political views are always likely to spark a debate and I'm not just referring to Di Canio.

There was also another article someone posted (might have been you) by some well known writer in the Guardian, who I believe wrote his autobiography, and talked of PDC's dislike and/or condemnation of Mussolini.

For the record I'd quite like him and I want him more everytime I get told what to think about him. He was a class footballer who I liked and I feel could inject something positive into the team.

P.S. I fucking hate politics.

Absolutely done it to death - and for me is completely irrelevant what he did a lot of years ago in Italy....He showed his passion to his own supporters - some people might not like the way he did it (me being one of them) but if you want to hang him out to dry for it, I think there are a LOT of other managers who need hanging also....

For me he should be judged squarely on how he did in England - and I think he did pretty fucking well...

Had crowds eating out of his hands - even opposition supporters loved and envied the passion he showed on the pitch - and ANYONE who pushes that twat of a ref Alcock over gets my approval !!!

Fuck me I used to think some of you people were brighter tham the mongs on thisis...

I'm really starting to feel glad I don't live in the town anymore.

 :cry: The town misses you buddy.

I'm going to start me own political movement.

I'm going to call it democracy, where everybody gets to say want they want and have freedom of speech. They are allowed to have their own views on government and how it might be best to govern a country.

But, if they don't have the same opinions as I do.

Then they are clearly a mong.

I hope now Di Canio is appointed just to piss off Lumps.

Umm. there's nothing undemocratic about thinking someone is a twat for the views they hold.

No shit, sherlock

Get a life FFS!! We are talking about someone who may or may not manage our club, not run the fucking Country...

I'm guessing that was partially aimed at me Lumps ?

All I can say is if you think someone is stupid for having a different opinion to yourself - then you have just shown everyone in one easy step that it is in fact you with your narrow minded and lofty viewpoint and attitude who is closer to mong than anyone else on here.........

I'm just a bit disappointed at the lengths some people will go to to excuse the behaviour, and beliefs of someone, just because they used to be a half way decent footballer.

Christ if the man actually had any kind of record in management I think some of you would be prepared to accept a swastika tattoo on the forehead and a bust of Hitler in the managers office.

And some of the rewriting of history from some of you about Di Canio's relationship with fans in the British game is mental. I'm pretty sure that if we could look back 10 years, most of you would have considered the bloke a flash, mouthy italian cunt.

Not you in particular to be honest. You least of all to be honest, because I've not really been involved in many discussions with you in the past. I'm more just a bit sad about those people that I've found to be a bit of a laugh, fairly smart and funny in the past are prepared to swallow any old shite for the sake of a manager with a bit of ex premier league "glamour".

Again - your opinion which you are desperately trying to push down everyones throat !

I remember him as being a fiery passionate Italian - one that I would hate to play against but love to have on my team - I really do, I'm not "re-writing" anything - I am calling it as I remember it !

He made some (a few) fascist salutes to his own fans - he shouldn't have done it (in my opinion) but he did.  He calls it himself and says he has fascist beliefs - he doesn't hide from it OR try and wrap it up into something different - unlike yourself.  I would prefer he didn't have those beliefs - but I am not about to say he shouldn't be employed on this basis - especially as I said earlier that he has shown NONE of these tendancies whilst in English football

If YOU want to make stuff up about swastikas and Hitler then carry on - I don't think you will find anything said by PDC to back your theories up ?  Because YOU see it as one in the same doesn't mean everyone else does - or should !

The only person here that seems to be going off on a MASSIVE tangent is you Lumps - making up scare stories to fit your beliefs....

That's something one of the mongs on thisis would do..........

If it annoys you then I'm all for it.

I think you've misunderstood, so I'll explain myself a bit more clearly. I was simply wondering how extreme his political beliefs would have to be before some of you found it unacceptable.

If he was a nazi rather than an italian fascist would you be prepared to live with that? If his tattoo said Fuhrer rather that Dux would that be alright? A swastika on his back rather than the fasces?

I don't really see the distinction between these symbols myself, but many will understand the significance of the first of each of these and might not even recognise the second. I'm just trying to understand whether this is because people don't understand what this mans beliefs are, or whether they just don't give a shit.

I'd like to think that some of the people I'd thought were pretty sound wouldn't want a nazi running our team, so I can't understand them being prepared to accept a fascist.

Did hitler ever score a bicycle volley with both feet off the ground though?

Think the difference is that you've come to the conclussion that Di Canio = Fascist = Mussolini and others haven't.

My take is that he grew up with the Ultra's, still has a connection with them, made an arm gesture that they use a few times to them as a result and has an interest in Mussolini. I don't see him being a fascist as relevant as there are many interpretations of fascism, especially today, and I've seen nothing to suggest he supports any of the extreme elements of fascism that were present under Mussolini.

If you've got anything to back up the claim that he's just as bad as the Nazi's then share it and change our minds.

At the end of the day we're a Div 4 outfit. Unless we go for the untested we're going to atttract Scummers, paedos, fascists, alcys, usless fucks etc. If they weren't one of those things they'd probably be operating at a higher level.
I must admit to being completely underwhelemed by the names mentioned and would happilly go with Trollope or the untested route - if we're gonig for the latter then I'd rather take a punt on Zippy ( one of ours ) than someone else.

I see him more as a niggly little full back to be honest. Sort of a Gary Neville with a more shit tach

This is an example of the kind of self justifying bollocks I was referring to to be honest. He didn't just "make an arm gesture" he's sat in a chair for some hours to have fascist symbols tattoo'd on his body. Goggle his name and 2 or 3 of the entries on the first page of results will take you to articvles in which he's is prefectly clear that he considers himself a fascist.

But I suppose as long as he's not a supporter of one of those "extreme elements of fascism" but instead goes for that well known moderate strand of fascism (WTF!) that's alright.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,403442,00.html

If that sort of shit is alright with you lot I'm ashamed to support the same cub as you frankly.

You've probably missed (understandably, given the huge swathe of stuff about this) the bits I posted in one of the many subsections of multiple threads where this was discussed about who he's saluting with the fascist salute - the Lazio Ultras. Who do explicitly and regularly identify with Mussolini; hold aloft banners adorned with swastikas, Totenkopf and other explicitly Nazi symbols; there's a photo I posted somewhere of them holding a pretty much stand-wide banner saying "Auschwitz your country, the oven your home"; they had a long infatuation with Arkan, one of the most brutal ethnic cleansers of the Balkan Wars (and held aloft banners mourning his death at several games) because they too were at the time engaged in their own minor but nasty street wars with Albanian immigrants. He admits himself that he came from the Lazio Ultras and these were the people he was saluting as his "camerati" (the Italian term used deliberately to denote members of Mussolini's Fascist movement).

It's simply not credible that this was some Gazza-flute-playing style act of crass ignorance. He knows full well what the Lazio Ultras and their fascist/neo-Nazi tendencies are about because that is where he, by his own admission, comes from. The idea that in saluting these openly neo-Nazi hooligans with a fascist/Nazi salute he was "just" saluting some notional "fluffy fascist" sub-section is laughable. He knows full well what the Lazio Ultras are and has repeatedly and publicly saluted them, even after he was made to attend a meeting with a Holocaust survivor as part of Lazio's/his agent's attempts to repair the damage caused by his salutes, while his manager said that "erm, yeah, the Ultras waving swastikas about is probably going a bit far", Di Canio made no comment on his beloved Ultras regular display of Nazi iconography but just said while he was opposed to the whole Jew-killing thing, the meeting hadn't changed his mind on his core beliefs. Might have been, had he had any misgivings about his mates waving swastikas, Totenkopfs, references to Auschwitz and Arkan etc to say "I'm more of a fluffy fascist lads, perhaps tone it down a bit on the murderous racist angle, eh?"

It doesn't really add up to the "Lib Dem wing of Fascism" picture he's (apparently quite successfully) spun to the international sports media while simultaneously keeping up the snarling fascist image for the lads back home does it?

It's a judgement call really which side of the fence you see it as sitting. He's clearly an endorser, and arguably active advocate, of Fascism. Which I'd kind of view as being a bad thing in it's own right. But there is no direct evidence that Di Canio personally endorses the Holocaust or the clearly neo-Nazi views of the peers he so warmly endorses. There's more than enough that any other public figure would be running a mile to distance themselves from if they weren't trying to tread a one face one way, one face the other line as he clearly is.

Bangkok Red has, quite cogently, argued that we should take his words ("I'm a fascist not a racist" and calling Mussolini "vile") at face value. I and Lumps and others feel that his actions (and lack of actions e.g. over not taking the very clear opportunity to condemn the display of swastikas at Lazio games as his manager did) speak far louder than soft spin dressed up for the foreign press.

And all of that is, to a large extent, an academic discussion of what lies in whatever the fuck passes for Di Canio's soul. Which, astonishing as it may seem, I don't give a fuck about really. What I do give a fuck about is the name and character of our club. Which if people could pull their heads out of the "How many points are we going to get next season?" sand would see will be very badly damaged by our association, and hence perceived endorsement, of a man like this.

As I've said repeatedly elsewhere, the same would apply if he was an open supporter (but not practitioner) of Al Qaeda or turned up to press conferences wearing a Pol Pot T-Shirt. Loads of people in seeking to ignore or downplay his open fascism and clear endorsement of neo-Nazi hooligans have tried to play the "Shouldn't bring politics into sport" line. I'd completely agree. Which is precisely why Di Canio is not a suitable candidate for our manager. Because he did. Not those of us who are objecting to him once he has done.

I'm sorry, I'd count myself as every single bit as anti-fascist as you, but there's some things I just can't let go. Gary Neville's tache is far, far worse than any other tache ever. Even Hitler's. It's not even a fucking tache for Christ's sake

There's no denying the extreme views of the Lazio Ultra's, or that he has a bond with them from his youth. But that doesn't necessarily mean he agrees with those views and he appears to have stated on numerous occasions that he doesn't. The arm gestures were dumb, the tattoos not much better and he could have distanced himself further from the extreme element.

Going back to my point about what fascism means today, I still haven't found a clear definition let alone one that could be viewed as the consensus. If I've missed something please point me in the right direction. There are extreme views of all political ideologies (Labour with the "militant" element and to a lesser degree the trade unions for example) but it doesn't mean that everyone of that persuasion agrees with them.

I suspect he does veer towards the nasty end of fascism but I've seen no evidence to prove it so far and until I do I'll give him the benefit of doubt. Though if he does get the job and pulls any stupid shit I'll be the first to call for him to be sacked.

What he PD said. He's right about Nevilles tach as well.

One last thing and I'm done. The man attends a meeting with a holocaust survivor begging him and his team not to support those displaying nazi iconography, (see the link I just posted) and when questioned by the press on his way out his reaction isn't to express his regret at the offence these things and his behaviour might have caused to this man, but to trot out some self justifying bollocks about the actions of the communist partizans, and basically say it's unfair that it's only the fascists that get a hard time about atrocities in WW2.

Fuck him. He's a complete c u n t. I'm only sorry that word is used so often on here now that it no longer expresses the contempt I have for the man.

So why then salute them with an explicitly fascist and at best ambiguous Nazi salute and refer to them as his "camerati"? Like I say, he appears to want to have it both ways and his extremely mealy-mouthed words are undermined by his actions (and omissions). Come on, if this was any other public figure, or even a candidate for manager of another club, you'd be fucking slaughtering him. Just because he wants to use us as a leg-up to getting the West Ham job, people are falling over themselves to excuse the twat.

sorry Paul and Lumps - to me your arguments just don't cut it....

No-one has spent years slaughtering PDC because he has never bought any "disrepute" to any of the clubs he has played for in England !

You can try to taint him like the devil all you like but for me you are both going massively over the top about it

Just my opinion like....

Sheepy, fair enough. He didn't come out until after he left England to go back to Italy so the question of whether him as an openly out fascist would damage a club's reputation hasn't been answered (obviously it wouldn't damage Lazio's as they're all fascists to start off with).

Just read in the paper that The GMB union have threatened to sever sponsorship ties If we appoint Di Canio. Not sure if it's right or not, but what on earth does the GMB have anything to do with us?

They sponsor mark scott and allow us to use their banqueting facilities (for free I think, I can't remember)

Other way round - they hire our conference facilities several times a year. Don't think the GMB has "banqueting facilities" :)

Grazioli was never actually manager he was head coach and Sanchez was always in charge fo team affairs with Graz taking the coaching side, Sanchez has been with Barnet since Martin Allen left as Consultant DOF/Manager and Graz as head coach/caretaker.

So no surprise at all.

You won't. Historically fascism doesn't have a central book, theory or even proper doctrine or ideology. Its nation of origin defines it. Italian fascism was more corporatist, perhaps syndacalist (I've never studied it). Nazism was obviously rascist/anti-semetic as well as ultra-nationalist and British fascism of the 1930s was probably the most considered and thought out of them all (also it wasn't anti-semetic at first - not by ideology anyway). Read most fascist literature of the inter-war years and what you get is rhetoric and little policy, what there is will be local and timebound. What unites it all is nationalism, a hatred of the left and feminism and a belief that their nation is superior to all others -be that culturally, commercial, racially etc. 

Fascism generally doesn't attract thinkers, more doers, so it is really defined by what it is against rather than for. Oh and fascism is always extreme, there are no extremist fascists as they all are.

-I'm not restarting the Di Canio debate, just answering a question.

Reading the a couple of pieces in the Adver, it seems to me that the club is drip feeding info to us about not wanting to appoint Di Canio. You've got:

The list of those names that have been linked with Town is impressive, but the higher the profile is the bigger the concern that such a manager would only be using Swindon as a stepping stone to move to a club higher up the league ladder. (note, not the first time they've said this)

and also the story regarding the GMB trade union.

The GMB trade union has said if di Canio is given the job, they will be forced to cut all ties to the club as he is an open Fascist and admirer of Mussolini.

Not happening imo.

I'm not convinced this whole fascist 'issue' even exists to 99% of our fans. It's a classic example of a few internet based characters typing their extreme views out to each other. It's like shouting in a padded cell.

I might be underestimating it but I really don't think a few 'strong views' on here reflect the 6,000 or so paying customers who just want to see someone to unite the players and get us out of the basement.

The guy for example who rather dramatically proclaimed "if you keep on typing what you're typing I'm going to stop supporting Swindon" is fucking laughable! Get a grip man.

The problem is that when certain individuals think of Fascism they immediately think it's the same as Racism and Nazsim.

It all comes down to knowing how to distinguish between the two.

...That shit just went global. Damn the adver are good  :zipped:


I'm going to write to the adver expressing concerns about appointing a manager with christian beliefs as those beliefs have been responsible for the deaths of more innocent people all over the world over the past thousand years than any other belief.  :doh:

Who gives a crap if they're socialist? They could be fascist anarchists - that still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car. Not that I condone fascism, or any ism for that matter. Isms in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism - he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon: "I don't believe in Beatles - I just believe in me". A good point there. Of course, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus - I'd still have to bum rides off of people.

Fantastic!. My thoughts exactly

What about prisms...they're ace. Lennon actually believed in "Yoko and me and that's reality"...think there's a bit more to life than "me".....too much of that about today.  Just as well those who fought and died fighting fascists down the years, didn't just think of themselves.

Anyway Walrus is the Walrus....

You know your professed expertise on the distinguishing between these strands of political thought would be a lot more convincing if you could spell them all correctly.

Lesbianism is pretty cool in my book. As long it's nice lesbianism and not the nasty type.

What about John Stitch, he's out of work.

Gotta love ferris bueller

Sexy porn fake lesbianism > fat british butch lesbianism.

Lets type every manager alive on this thread.

He is then officially linked to the club...

Isn't that what we're doing?

Indeed.....all about education..........

Not anyone on here. Unless you're talking about the Italian neo's who do seem to blur the two quite a bit, which was kind of the point, if you'd read what was posted properly

Maybe you need to read what's been posted properly. Even if it hasn't been said explicitly (and I think it has) there has been a very strong suggestion that Fascism is the same thing as Nazism and everything that entails and that Di Canio is a Nazi and racist by implication. The arm salute being referred to as a Nazi symbol for example.

According to the OED:

One of a body of Italian nationalists, which was organized in 1919 to oppose communism in Italy, and, as the partito nazionale fascista, under the leadership of Benito Mussolini (1883–1945), controlled that country from 1922 to 1943; also transf. applied to the members of similar organizations in other countries. Also, a person having Fascist sympathies or convictions; (loosely) a person of right-wing authoritarian views. Hence as adj., of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Fascism or Fascists.

Nazism was the German/ic form of fascism espoused by the NSDAP and specific to German/ic. The BUF was similarly primarliy concerned with British issues.

Any 'extreme', nationalist, authoritarian regime that is successful tends to become totalitarian and undemocratic, spreads fear and creates divisions within society in order to strengthen its own position. It therefore becomes difficult to displace democratically and without social upheaval. The totalitarian nature of the regime means that the views of 'others' officially become 'anti' views and are therefore subject to ridicule, censure and prohibition. All aspects of society become politicised - the arts, education, law, local government, health - becomes infected with the ideology of the regime. Liberalism, free speech and thought, rationalism, and the mechanisms to voice them, are supressed.

I'm not into fascism and I'm not into fascists. Even if they might bring a bit of passion to the football team I support.

Leftside

This discussion so much about what fascism means per say. Rather, as johnny post that you have quoted specifically states, it is about a fascist must also be a Nazi/racist.

The text you added here has no mention of either, so I'm not quite sure what you are trying to achieve.

Which is redefining the debate. I've not argued that, nor has Lumps. We've suggested that the Lazio Ultras are demonstrably Nazi/racist, and the question is whether Di Canio, an acknowledged fascist from the Lazio Ultra tradition, also endorses this. You and others feel he hasn't, Lumps and I others feel it stretches the bounds of credibility.

EDIT: and tbh I also find the idea that he's "only" someone who openly espouses fascism fairly obnoxious but it's not where the discussion's been centred

Actually Paul

I think that myself and other people are just trying to say that there is not enough to condemn the man. Which does not stretch the boundaries of credibility in the slightest.

It's those who seem so opposed to a political belief that is different from theirs that are claiming the man is definitely a racist, despite there being evidence to the contrary.

That's fair enough. My apologies for having misrepresented you, I didn't intend to, was primarily objecting to jonny/mrverve recasting the debate in a way that did misrepresent what the Di Canio nay-sayers have been mainly arguing. Oh, the irony :)

Whether intended or not, certain posts on this thread read that Di Canio is a Fascist and that that is the same as being a Nazi. It's making some jumps in logic which simply aren't there, or at least connections which I haven't seen. He has stated he's a Fascist, but exactly what that means in general and especially to him is open to debate.

Whilst Di Canio has a strong association with the Lazio Ultra's I haven't seen anything to suggest he fully supports their Fascist ideologies, rather the opposite as he has condemned the extremes. For me the question is the nature of the association, is it due to him growing up with them and viewing them as family or because he agrees with their ideology?

He went on record after the second salute photo as saying "I am a fascist, not a racist". I don't think you could find a clearer statement than that that he supports fascist ideology? There's no debate as to whether he's a fascist, he's repeatedly said so himself, the only question is whether he also lines up with the neo-Nazis he was saluting.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I think we're saying the same thing, is he a Fascist or a Lazio Ultras Fascist?

They're two different things for me, though some people seem to think they are one and the same.

So when they come knocking on your day, will you have a debate..."excuse me are you a Fascist or a Nazi?" 

That reminds me of those bastard Jehovah Witnesses that knock on your door. A couple of weeks ago I stood there arguing with the patronising cunt for 45 minutes.

Do what i do and ask them if they want a blood transfusion for christmas, they always bite

I like turtles

I prefer tortoises.

What about Porpoises?

I wonder what the reaction would be if Graham Rix did get appointed?

 ???

Surely it won't be Rix? I didn't think he even made the shortlist?

You would think not. The "shortlist" is assumed right? Based on names mentioned by the Adver, you never know.

Apoplectic.

horrible rumour on twitter thats its going to be Rix appointed on wednesday...

Hope not.

Wouldn't necessarily rely on that too much. There's a rumour on twitter that Rose is a professional footballer

Same 2+2=17 rumourmongering that thought Hart was being offered the job full time because he was having a long meeting.

True. I'm trying my best to think it will never happen though.

Pitchforks and lanterns and run the fucker out of town

I'd welcome Rix, built up a good rep at Chelsea, and he's paid for his crime so don't see what the problem would be. 

 :headhurts:

I don't think I'm ever going to understand the moral thinking of sections of the population of this forum...........

Ex Oxford manager and a convicted sex offender.

Yeah i'd be well chuffed.

I'd give up and fuck off if I was you  :soapy tit wank:

hi this link says that rich pullen is next manager  http://twitter.com/stfcadver (http://twitter.com/stfcadver)

It's a tough task... But I'm up for the challenge.

You wouldn't be alone and I'd be surprised if the Board would take the risk.  Ady Williams was fired out of the club after hitting his girlfriend, Rix's background is a lot worse than that.

If he does get appointed it will be a bit of a novelty, not many teams can say their manager is a pedo

Im taking the piss by the way.

Wouldnt want that kiddly fiddling cunt anywhere near

Could the mystery man be Mark Robins?

I've done that one already :D

The headline writers at Adver Towers would be having orgasms if Robins was appointed 8)

Just to chuck it in... Mr Pullen and Mr Judd of this parish have been using the social media site known as Twitter to discuss the relative merits of a Herr Dietmar Hamann, formerly of Liverpool, Manchester City and the stolen club of Milton Keynes.

I'm hoping the continued di Canio and Rix/Hoddle rumours are a cover up. Just looking at up and coming coaches in the Championship who might fancy a stab at management, big names that might fit the Hoddle/Wise mould.

Any more for any more?

Personally, I think di Canio would be considered too high risk.

I have a feeling its all a smokesceen with Trollope taking over on Wednesday :(

Would be perfectly happy if that were the case.

I'd be stunned if it was Trollope now. Not after the applications we've received. If it was Trollope it would have been done sooner, surely? (don't call me Shirley)

agree with Shirley. It's deffinitely not trollop now after hanging around this long. i bet they are sorting out paying off this employeed persons contract before anything can be announced officially

Technically Trollope is on gardening leave .... which expires ... well guess when

Agreed, political views aside, he would be my choice but could be considered too risky.

To be honest no-one can say with any certainty who the mystery man is but I still can't see the person I was told about on the list on VC this morning...

http://www.victorchandler.com/vcbet/en-gb/coupon/show/3/126456098/2839/10976/5704751/1

and that person would be....

Two points of order here...

1) If it is who I have been told then it would blow the others out of the water

2) If it isn't then I will look a right cunt

Your personal pride is at stake? What about our collective ability to gossip?

Out with it!

Stop being a cock tease and tell us.  :D

this list goes to show a) how many good (and bad) potential candidates are out there and b) what a tough decision it is!

 George Burley     
Paolo Di Canio    
Paul Trollope    
Peter Taylor    
John Hughes    
Gus MacPherson    
Graham Rix    
Jim Magilton    
Richard Money    
Paul Bodin    
Phil Parkinson    
Paul Buckle    
Peter Reid    
Glenn Hoddle    
Wally Downes    
Martin Ling    
Kevin Blackwell    
Michael Appleton    
Mark Kinsella    
Colin Calderwood    
Dennis Wise    
Luc Nijholt    
Dave Penney
Paul Cook    
John Still    
Brian Hughes    
Uwe Rosler    
Neil McDonald
Mark McGhee
Jimmy Quinn    
Lawrie Sanchez    
Brian Laws    
Ronnie Moore    
Iain Dowie    
Ady Boothroyd    
Alan Irvine    
Sammy McIlroy    
Paul Tisdale    
Maurice Malpas    
Ollie Howitt      

I've heard it's Terry burton if Cardiff lost tomorrow night

Excellent work.....nobody can now say we are not linked.......

and is this person currently in work or not?.

and what league are they currently employed in?

Yes...

Championship...

Is it a real person or a fictional character?

If it is a real person, are they still alive?

What is their favourite cheese?

Then why would they apply for town?

Mark Robins?

He hasn’t turned up to cut my lawn so far, lazy git. On that basis he’s out of the running.

manager guess who.  does this person wear glasses?

to be honest you may as well spill it . we'll almost certainly not burn you in a giant wicker man if you are wrong. that's definitely not what trollope is building whilst on gardening leave ;-)

How many syllables? Film, TV show or book?

If it takes a human sacrifice to get us promoted next season then im all for it

Difficult to imagine any of the current managers in the Championship who would 'blow the other names out the water' coming here but stranger things have happened.

Trying to work out who you could mean. Warnock? Cotterill? Sven?!?!

Let's narrow it down then

Cotterill
Robins
Clough

Maybe sean o'driscoll.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/barnsley/9484019.stm

Its probably not a manager, maybe an assistant or first team coach

Is he currently employed as manager or is he an assistant manager or even coach or DOF rather than employed as a manager?

Mark Robins would certainly not blow me out of the water!

So basically what you're asking is "is he currently employed by a football team in a capacity other than manager" - Yes

Thanks :)

Dave Jones. (if Cardiff fail to reach PO final)

Terry Burton, if Cardiff fail to reach the PO final

In another manager news, the favourite to replace Robins at Barnsley is..... Danny Willson

Think It is Terry Burton at Cardiff?
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The only "blow you out of the water" candidate in the championship, considering his acheivements, is Neil Warnock. Mind you I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at Plymouth considering he lives down there.

Maybe but not what I've heard

Paul Buckle is the bookies favourtie to take the Rovers job.  So clearly being in the play offs with his current team isnt stopping him from touting himself for other roles!

By your criteria of currently employed but not as manager, the name Didi Hammann has been mentioned elsewhere already this morning...

Then you'll be possibly disappointed...

Or bookies sometimes quote prices against people who've never applied for the job and have no intention of doing so (e.g. Hoddle for us - explicitly ruled himself out, bookies still quoting)

I didn't say it hadn't been mentioned...

Disapointed at him NOT ending up in Plymouth?

Except triseros already said the mystery person is not currently a manager

My money's on Triseros' mystery man being Hammann or Ian Culverhouse (the latter of which I would be over the moon with)

Did we ever discover who Reg's mystery candidate was?

That dude frm west ham no avram grant. :sherlock:

if the tabloids are to be believed then QPR are lining up Ranieri as manager, thus rendering Colin Wanker available. No chance he'd ever drop to League Two though.
Be a shame if QPR did part with him, he's done a sterling job there.

Yeah, seen those rumours too. "Congratulations on getting us promoted Mr Warnock, here's your reward, a handsomely engraved P45" ::)

Grant and Hart with Malpas as Director of cluelessness, thats my dream team..

Disgraceful, if that is the case. He deserves his season

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13405177.stm

Robbie Savage  :D :D :D

that would tie into the Robbie bit which reg mentioned. quality :)

Steve Wigley, Steve Harrison, Lennie Lawrence, Dietmar Hamann, Terry Burton, David Kerslake, Ian Culverhouse, Brian Horton, Nick Hammond.

Theres a little list of names, many of which i hope it isn't but TBH there arent many there that I would like as manager.

George Burley is still miles ahead than anyone at this stage imo

For me too mate.

so the obvious question would be to triseros. is this mystery candidate bigger than George Burley.

Yes it is. Di Matteo

Which, if my little list is anything to go by, isnt.

Would people be happy with Di Matteo, isn't he known for playing 4-5-1? which people hated under Hart

I would be happy but with George Burley currently on the list then no i wouldn't be.

Any manager who can't see the talent of Simon Cox can fuck off...

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i'm guessing that means it isn't Di Matteo you've heard then??

I'm guessing you've not read the last few pages.

I had come up with Hamann, Kerslake,,,,and Ian Woan (with ex-STFC credentials, which someone said they had heard was on the cards.)  Not really likely to blow others out of the water, though.....

To be honest I had kind of hoped it would be Gareth Southgate but then the Did Hamman thing came up...

Where is Hamman at the moment?

Leicester first team coach

Dietmar Hammann, the world's only Cricket loving German (probably)

So the mystery man is Hamann ??

I'd be fairly happy but I'd still prefer Di Canio or Burley.

Burley then PDC then Hamann for me.

How about a Hamman & PDC combo ??  That'll get the lefties talking

Yep...he was my mystery man...

I'm chuffed with any of them to be honest, Hamann the stand out for me....now to await the announcement trollopes been appointed

Agree with this, but wouldn't mind any of them.

Di Matteo for me, he did good for Franchise and West Brom.

This is my fear

From what we have heard he hasn't even applied.

I'd prefer Hamman to Di Canio if i'm being honest. Seems like he could be in the Poyet type mould. He knows the English league pretty well too and probably more so then Di Canio.

The more I think about it the more I think Hamann will be brilliant. When I heard it this morning my initial thoughts were not bad, he'll do an okay job and he's a bit of a name.

The more I think about it the more excited i'm getting. Played in a world cup, captained his country, champions league winner, completed coaching badges, held coaching positions and has played in the bottom two leagues late on in his career so has some knowledge of this level. I don't see how there could be a better 'first time manager' candidate. Hurry up and announce it Jeremy!

Hamann would certainly be my pick. Has everything going for him.

WTF did 'Roberto' have to do with anything in you horse racing 'clue' Reg?? 8)

Either Hamann or Burley for me. Hamann would have contacts at Liverpool and Man City to get loan players in.

And Leicester.

Robbie Fowler? Horse owner  ;)

If we end up with fucking Trollope after all this name dropping i'm gonna jump off the roof of the Don Rogers stand.

Please don't, they might turn you in to DRS burgers.

I swear that isn't beef in those burgers.

Just to clarify, is it still wednesday we find out who the gaffer is or tomorrow ? I know the board are meant to be meeting tomorrow.

Wednesday

Everyone says the announcement will be Wednesday, which seems a bit soon as the candidate will have to agree terms, etc. Unless they are on it already.

I'm hoping for Haman on Wednesday.

Which means it'll be Rix on Thursday!

Nothing....just a bit of bollocks as the thread developed. 

My original post alluded to our man having a bit of back room experience and probably now wanting to go alone.

My horse owning Robbie Fowler theory is better though yeah Reg.

An excellent theory DRS, but unfortunately I've heard nowt about Fowler, so it would have been remiss of me to get peeps hopes up.  Doesn't mean it wont happen mind  ;)

i kinda hope it's somebody who aint been named in discussion.that would be a major whooshing by wray and co if it is....

There is one name no one has mentioned yet  :sherlock:

Steve Lomas?

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Love that last bit.

I can imagine saying ", senior" well dead pan.

Of Ulm?

Slight change in the odds at VC this morning, as well as Calderwood coming in as 7/2 third favourite.

Looks like Maradona's out of the running then:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13413485.stm

which will be a disappointment to those who'd hoped for a fat drug-addled freak in the dugout

Paul Gascoigne ruled himself out as well then? :D

I want to know today  >:(

I reckon we will find out today.

Think you're right. It will start to leak fairly soon after the board meeting, we'll all know by tonight, it's always the way by the time they do the "unveiling" at the press conference, it's just a formality. I'd like it though if this time they did have the new manager under a big dust sheet and actually unveiled him

This.

Ta Daaa

Don't count him out just yet, apparently he's just turned up at the County Ground with some beers and a fishing rod. What's the worst than can happen?

I'd like him to jump out of a big cake in a clown costume or maybe that is what Hart should have done?

And the fried chicken. Don't forget the fried chicken...  :D

This is getting boring. Not sure if I can wait until next Wednesday. The board really should be getting their act together on something like this.

Maybe they should appoint Jasper Fforde Thursday Next.

and I bet when next wednesday comes it'll still be next wednesday!

Why arn't they announcing it tommorow? Have they delayed it?

Whoooosh

woosh

My only fear is if one of our failings last year was not starting to plan till after the play off final, then this year we aren't exactly starting our planning for next season much earlier.
Fingers crossed we have "insert name" waving a flag above his head tomorrow morning

I would imagine anyone who has applied for the job will already have a list of targets in mind. In some ways it is probably something that got them through the interview being able to tell the board what they want and who they want.

I suspect there'll be a few Germans joining us over the next few weeks.

Di Canio for me - I think we are in the football doldrums at the moment and someone with his undoubted passion for the game could bring the feel good factor back, a bit like when Wise and Poyet were appointed the last time we were relegated to this God foresaken division.

His name alone would attract a calibre of player who normally wouldn't consider us at the moment, and this would fuel the belief of us getting back in to League 1 at the first attempt.

I think employing another dour (I include Hamman in that)/ old manager, that's done the rounds at other clubs will possibly see us stay in this division longer than we would like.

I know he splits opinions, but at the end of the day we're asking him to run a fouth division football club, not the Country!!

I see you point Lorenzo. But is Harmann less exciting as a name than Wise was? Of course the latter did come with Poyet so the point may be moot.

I don't think I can wait till tomorrow.

Hurry up for fucks sake!

You know it'll be delayed until Thursday/Friday.

You know it!

much more exciting than wise, wise never captained his country or won the champions league...in fact he barely played for england much (from memory)

Done like a kipper.  :-[

Exactly, this guy has been to the very top of the game, domestically and internationally. We'd be fools not to snap him up imo.

Hamann might not be a player with a tonne of flair but he's won league titles, domestic cups, European cups and played in a World Cup final. It doesn't bear comparison to Wise.

And he's German which makes him invincible.

I only put the comparison in because Lorenzo mad the point that Harmann seems less exciting the Di Canio.

I kind of agree but I was pointing out that Wise created a buzz so why wouldn't Harmann?

I think that Hamman would create a buz of excitement given his pedigree and he also has coaching experience I suspect he is in front of Di Cannio (assuming it is him who applied)

Did have to have a little chuckle at this :)

http://newsthump.com/2011/05/11/swindon-town-fans-to-embrace-fascism/ (http://newsthump.com/2011/05/11/swindon-town-fans-to-embrace-fascism/)

BBC Swindon just said that Wray was meeting with the board of directors today and an announcement will be made later this week so looks like Thursday / Friday  ;D

Its Strange one  really, I think its because of the type of players they were, Di Canio name stands out more than Hamman, I was more excited initially when I heard Di Canio name than when i heard Hammans eventhough Hamman played for bigger clubs, won more and has got to be the best candidate out of the 2 for a large number of reasons.  

Is he bringing his chum?

Does next wednesday mean this wednesday or next wednesday

I noticed this quote on the Adver site earlier:

the wizard, witney says...
7:13am Tue 17 May 11
i'm just thankfull that there is just over 24hrs of this farce left before all is revealed. Its really now become something of a joke, and if this is how our board continue to operate then no wonder it took so long to get rid of Wilson, inbetween times we will have to wait and see as normal. Little or no investagitive journalism here . Most of us could have writen the atricle above, perhaps more newsworthy is the fact the Sheffield Wednesday are on the look out for centre halfs, and Douglas has been long linked with a move there, and other transfers and clubs at our former L 1 status have all started to hot up at a pace, while we remain stagnant and drifting rudderless through another storm of being indecissive.


I can't believe people are still moaning considering the calibre of applicants who have applied. This is potentially the most important appointment this club have ever made so the board have every right to take their time.

Yes, Jonathan Douglas, that well known centre half.

Seriously, some people shouldn't be allowed keyboards.

What an idiot. The quality of applicants has been second to none. Timing coulnt have been better.

I think he's misspelled "wassock" as "wizard"

I think you're being overkind, he's a fucking idiot.

Well, there's that aspect to things, certainly

Is that not one and the same?

isnt it amazing the lack of leaks as to who it is yet?

 :wink:

There's probably been a super injunction issued.

Not quite the same as the Paul Sturrock days, when we seemed to know everything way before it was announced

the wizard is a fucking moron.

dont you fucking come around here winking as if you know something !

You clearly know fuck all

Unless Town legend and midfield man of steel Pooky is getting the job as player manager :)

If Trollope is appointed, I will hunt you down and run you over.

You're guilty through association.

You're thinking of the following Wednesday.

Clearly Mr Wizard is a fucking idiot but the position traditonally called centre half is a closer to that of a defensive midfielder than a centre back. I doubt he meant it but accidentally he could almost be right. Or old enough to remember when the WM formation still ruled the pitches of Albion.

Surely a week next Wednesday?

The lack of leaks from within the club is distressing... It's almost like we're being run by professionals.

Have they announced the time of the press conference tomorrow or can we still run a sweepstake?

Or did you mean a week this Wednesday?

Late morning I reckon...

I would have liked the announcement of a press conference today. In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if I learn tomorrow that it's been put back either.

Curse my impatience.

If I was in the afterlife waiting room as seen in Beetlejuice, I'd have a very small head.

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What is that? Doesn't look good on a phone.

Hahahahahahhahahahahahah

He's a fucking knob, thinks he knows everything and is treated like some messiah on that shit cunt forum.
He's always got an opinion and he comes out with some shite, the fucking shit cunt eating prick.

So Thursday now?

The Adver guy on twitter doesn't have any basis for his comments did he? Just a feeling he has.

I had 88 new tweets which makes it hard to keep track.

I'm guessing we probably won't hear until Mid-July at the earliest.

It probably won't be tomorrow but it's a case of one comment made and being considered as fact.

Ive just checked on that rumours website and its official.  Its Bodin.  And Di canio.  And Burley.  And Hamman (with Heskey as assistant manager).  And Jim Gannon. And Tisdale.  And Trollope.  And me.

gk_nash's red n white army!

That Adver guy pisses me off.One minute he is saying he 'reckons' it's a shortlist of Hamaan Di Canio Or Burley then in the next tweet tells people so and so are not on the final 3?

So does he know or fucking reckon?

Just likes the attention if you ask me - Adver always get their stories second hand by the looks of it

I'd guess that he probably knows as much as us, although with less white noise. I imagine him and some of our more knowledgeable posters hear things through related grape vines.

I'd love it if the club showed some knowledge of recent folklore and announced the new manager last thing Friday evening.

I reckon this is all a big smoke screen and DRS has been given the job.

I think they wont be able to choose and Wray will just appoint himself as manager....

Wray will appoint Fitton. It all makes sense now.

But if he is saying that Hamman, Di Canio and Burley are on the short list, what's wrong with then saying Buckle or whoever isn't on the short list? He's not contradicting himself is he?

He is saying he thinks they are not that they definatly are

He was guessing at the shortlist. He was definitive about who wasn't on there.

Its possible to have somebody ruled out without knowing who is in. So no problems there.

Not much tweeting going on at the moment :no:

Ithink the best thing to do is go to sleep cus when u wake ull be that bit closer, thats if you can sleep!!  :crash: :hmmm: :beers: :no: :beers: :beers: :zzz:

the adver know fuck all.they get their stories from here i tell thee

"looks like a delay till at least thursday, as Mr Rose says" Vic Morgan on Twitter...has Michael Rose said something on Twitter then? Someone check because i can't bring myself to follow the cunt

Waiting for Dave Jones to step down after another play-off disappointment?

I think he was referring to Adver guy Gary Rose.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

So, the Twitterati all seem to be suggesting it'll edge out till Thursday before we see white smoke over the County Ground. I reckon they've all been told who it is in return for deliberately pushing Thursday. Then they'll catch us all on the hop with a "presser" (one of the most irritating phrases in modern journalism, after "superinjunction") tomorrow at 12. It's wheels within wheels

I'm not holding my breath. In fact i'm holding out for a Friday statement.

I'm not holding my breath either. Even if it's 12 tomorrow, I'd have gone a funny colour by then

FFS - why would it take so long. Interviews over, Board meeting held, assume chosen candidate has accepted job. Fucking get a move on

1st choice candidate holding out for better personal financial deal/bigger player budget; wants more time to consider if he wants to move to League 2; waiting to see if reports of him being in running for Swindon job triggers the interest from West Ham which was the only reason he allowed his name to be put forward in the first place and now look for Christ's sake, I may end up getting the poxy job, you've got to get me out of this, you promised me Gold was interested.

The delay may not be on our side in other words

Why would Hamann want to go to West Ham?

I know how tomorrow goes.

I'll get up for work at 9, rush to check the adver site, and there'll be a story about how one of our players feels confident we can get promotion.

Throughout the day the TEF will become distressed at how no manager has been named. The day will draw to a close with us none the wiser.

Thursday, maybe even Friday comes and the new manager's named by some random source. Either Twitter or the BBC. The Adver pass it off as 'exclusive' news around an hour after everyone knows who's getting the job. Everyone slags off the adver.

When they do announce a press conference, can we send a TEF delegate?

We should definitely have a TEF man there to ensure that fans are informed as to the new man's Cheese preferences early on. I expect Di Canio is a bit too fiery for Mozarella or Parmesan...

He probably likes that maggot cheese they have. I can't remember what it's called but I'd love to try it.

Today's the day

Funny name for a cheese. And it doesn't even sound Italian.

Casu Marzu

Today is clear not the day.

News Monkey isn't up yet...
http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/9032368.No_Town_boss_decision_today_as_discussions_continue/

Fuck sake, its gota be hamann just tryin to sort compo with leicester.

Seen him today in the no decision article?

Fucking astounding the shite that imbecile comes out with.

Yeah i seen it, makes me want to punch the screen

i dont read the comments anymore.all they do is prove how fucking stupid alot of our fans are.

So if the adver is right its between Di Canio, Hammann and Burley.

Guess the risk with Di Canio is that he has never managed before. Hamman hasn't either but has been a coach at Leicester which means he has a little bit of experience.

Burley is the safe choice.

Although we all want to hear the big news, I'd rather wait a day or two if it means we bring in the right man. As others have suggested the delay might point to Hamann, but I'd be happy with any of those three.

Couldn't agree more. If those three are the ones being discussed (which I assume is still speculation but a fair educated guess) then I'd be happy with any of them.

Sky seem to think  Di canio is getting the job

But that's only down to Di Canio's comments during his commentary they know as much as anyone

My Torquay supporting housemate has just rung me, he's adamant we're getting Buckle this morning. Hope so!

The only reason Di Canio is being mentioned is because of his agents comments the other day about him joining a lower league side in a "coaching role". Could be a number of teams.

I wonder if the Board is split and that's why it's been delayed or maybe the first choice is wanting too much money and they're deciding whether he's worth it. I hope this doesn't drag into next week, as the new manager needs as much time as possible to come in and shape the team as he wants.

Ha

There's a gas fan being torn apart on the gulls forum for saying the gas are bigger than us. It is most entertaining.

Link ?

Link please nigel

The last few pages

http://torquayfans.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=28ba61b375de6bdf229d1b77abc63c02

Sorry, wrong link

http://torquayfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1471

Thick cunt.

Buckle hasn't denied any rumours about coming to us. Maybe he has applied and is the mystery third applicant.

I went back a bit too far and saw a City fan saying about swindon looking down their nose at smaller clubs, They are the worst lot for it

The only guys who need to argue about size are those who have a pre-existent inferiority complex

He was trying to say that Buckle would rather go to them than us. Also that he thinks gas should be in the Championship.

Ummmmm.....

To be fair, Gas have got a lot to feel inferior about. Maybe that's where Di Canio's going with his "my future is in an inferior league" comments?

Delusional was the best word used in that thread!

2 + 2= 25 moment.

1. Elite Agents tweeted that they're meeting Nicky Forster this afternoon.

2. Nicky Forster announces he wants to go into full time management.

3. Then Elite say our manager will be announced tomorrow.

 

Elite Managment also manage Di Canio i believe.

One of the partners does, i asked

They are also leon knights agent :D

Di Canios Agent is a Phil Spencer, is he the partner?

Apparently

Location ,location, location

Yeah i googled the fecker and thats all that I found