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What do we all reckon then?

Barry must start alongside Gerrard and we will win 2-1.

5-0 rout, fuck off Bilic

Couldnt give a fuck

Id play a 4-5-1 .. Crouch up front .. Barry Lampard Gerrard in the middle - Becks and Joe Cole on the wings

I'm going to the cinema instead.

I would play 451 also, Crouch up front on his own but with Joe Cole sat in the hole behind him in a free role a bit like Rooney plays in, with Barry on the left and Wright-Phillips on the right.

I think we will win 3-0 at a canter as well.

We shouldn't play 4-5-1 if we want to win.

4-4-2 Crouch and Bent up front. We'll probably make hard work of it and draw 0-0.

I still almost want us to lose.

Bizarrely I feel exactly the same, this is whats going to happer ;

We will draw 1 - 1 in an emabarrsingly shit performance and qualify.

McClaren will be given an extended contract that will take us to the WC

Everybody thinks we are ace and there will be talk of us winning the fucking tourney.

Same Old Same Old

When will people wake up to the fact that


WE ARE FUCKING SHIT

Hmmm........and who exactly do you see scoring these goals...

Rooney - oh no he's injured
Owen - oh dear he injured himself in a completely pointless friendly scheduled less than a week prior to a crucial qualifying game
Heskey - aaaahhhhh........ yes, I think there's a pattern here

Crouch - Oh thank fuck for that, one that can still walk

Who will be partnered by either a kid who'll be making his full international debut, or a nearly man who's spent most of the season sitting in one of those big upholstered bucket seat things that Prem sides have instead of a bench nowadays.

You'll get a result because the Croats have qualified already and probably don't give a shit, but for chrissake don't start with that swaggering, we're going to stuff everybody 5-0 bollocks already.

For the record I don't have any time for that "Israel did you a favour" bollocks. Israel played a game and won. End off. If Israel had beaten Russia a month before, rather than a month after England's loss in Moscow last month, then no-one would have mentioned it. England would just have been going into their last game needing a draw at home. Good enough in most people's books.

You'll finish the qualification games with either

8 wins 2 draws and 2 losses or
7 wins 3 draws and 2 losses

Which won't be the worst of the qualification results by a fair way.

Whilst the quality of the sides in your group might make you think that you should have got through a bit easier, it's worth remembering that you've had an awful run of injuries to front players, an area where you've got a series lack of options at the moment.

Once you qualify you're going to have to pray that Owen stays fit for the finals, or that Walcott grows up bloody fast.

American Gangster?  I meant to be seeing this tomorrow night.  Sounds like a decent film.

Good post lumps :thumbs:

Really added to the discussion with that little pearl of wisdom.

:goodpost:

I don't think the person I'm going with is too keen on watching it  :(

Dunno, a 4-5-1 may work as long as the wide players get in the game - I'd play Ashley Young - didn't see the game on Friday so don't know how he got on but he's got the tricks to take on anyone and can actually cross the ball.

Also I'd leave SWP out and play Joe Cole as the other winger, they'd be able to swap around and scare the full-backs, get Gerrard as involved as possible as far up the pitch as possible with Barry and Hargreaves holding the midfiled together.

Must be a female you're going with then Si, as all men like gangster films don't they?

Yes and yes.

I'd drop Joe Cole and play Young. SWP instead of Beckham, Barry in for Gerrard. Carson to continue. Actually, bring back Cole for the injured Owen and let him drop off. AND TRY TO CREATE FUCKING CHANCES!

I'd go with 4-4-2, presuming there is somebody left to partner Crouch?

Midfield I'd go with Cole, Barry, Gerrard and SWP. There's always the possibility of bringing Beckham into the game if it looks like good delivery could win it for us
(awaits anti-Becks responses)

Centurion lager is far greater than Becks

I watched the U21's Friday and I dont think Young is quite ready for the first team yet, hes not far away but I think its a bit too much of a jump for him.

Now Agbonlahor is a different matter, pacy great close control, took his goal well.

But I agree...we need to create more chances, get the ball in the box, especially if we are playing with Crocuh..which looks certain...get the ball on his head and he will win more than he loses in the air.

I am not anti Becks at all but his dead ball delivery was very very poor against Austria, his corners went very astray (except 1)...which for him is not normal...but everyone knows what he can deliver and it is a close call between him and SWP on the right for me.

We'll play for the draw and we'll end up losing. I hate it when we only need a draw. It spells disaster all round. Not confident but when am i ever?  :D

croatia are through and a draw will see them top the table, england need a draw to qualify. this will definitely be a draw.

2-1 on coral. load up on it.

interestingly, 3 of the top 4 seeds are austria, switzerland and greece. it will actually be very beneficial to be in seed group 2.

I thought Israel would draw with Russia, leaving us to beat the Croats, which we'd fail to do by drawing.   If we can't get a draw from this one, then McClaren has to go on Thursday.

Just about to leave for the pub.

We'll win this. Convincingly.

Our pampered players will be up for this one after all the stick that's been dished up.

We can then build them up to ridiculous heights, only to see them implode spectacularly in the finals, when they'll once again be slagged off as useless tossers.........

And around and around we go......................

I think we will blow it tonight.

Am i the only one that thinks they should try putting beckham in the middle again? If they want to play SWP on the right and five across the middle have Beckham, Gerrard and barry in the middle, then Gerrad can bomb on safe in the knowledge he'll allways have two covering centre mids. Beckham is still class and there's no denying it.

Pathetic-one up front just so's he can play his precious Gerrard and Lampard-cunts the pair of 'em!

Whats funny is that without Owen in the England team I have absolutely no confidence in any other English striker to score, nope not even rooney, they love to throw around Croauchs international goal record, 3 of his golas came against jamacia wen 15-0 would have been a reaonable result soapy tit wank! Croch has never scored againts a team in the top 20 FIFA rankings bless him, just good against shit soapy tit wank!

To be fair he's hardly played against any of the top 20...

Not to say he's an ideal solution but you've gotta give the guy a chance! I'm not keen on the 4-5-1 personally but hey ho, McClaren knows best

 :(

i think a 451 with lampard and gerrard feeding off crouch could work...

Pffft, 4-5-1. We're going to fuck it up and I don't even know why I'm going to watch it. Maybe because looking at tax books is only slightly more excruciating.

the pitch looks fucked.

lose, hopefully....

agree, 7-1 Croatia worth £20 of any persons money.

What's the point of having a stadium with a roof if you won't/can't use it?

doesn't have a proper roof apparently.

1933: Approximately a million of you have texted in to ask why the Wembley roof isn't on. Well, that's because it's only partially retractable ie only the seats get covered, not the pitch. Bet they're regretting that now...

8)

Useless.

8)

bulgaria aren't playing dan!

they already won 2-0

:soapy tit wank:

McLaren OUT!

laugh at all the plastics making the big effort in the pub to be 'hardcore' England fans....wont be England fans tomorrow  :mrgreen:

Fucking hell - thank god I didn't go down the pub for this.  0-2 FFS :evil:

fucking

rolling
on
the
floor
laughing
my
fucking
arse
off

Looking like easy money.
McClaren must go now ... what a wanker he hasn't got a clue.

I've given up watching it.

hajde hrvatska!

Its the people like Blackcurrent that I feel sorry for.Following them all over the place to build up points to be able to get tickets for the finals and what happens....... :x  :soapy tit wank:

I'll be supporting Spain in Euro 2008, i have Spanish family.

his own fault.....

what is mcclaren playing at....4-5-1?!

Get a fucking striker on now!

bring on owen, no wait he got injured in a pointless friendly....

....bring on Alan Shearer....¬!

england are still set to qualify as it stands ralph

I was under the impression a draw was needed?

only if Russia beat Andorra which is never gonna happen :mrgreen:

just need a few more people to tell him and he will. mclaren is a fucking puppet.
Press- Bring back beckham
MacLaren- No, No, No, No.......Oh OK then

Fans- Drop Robinson
MacLaren- OK then

Mourinho- Play 4-5-1
Maclaren- OK then

Think for yourself you idiot.

Why am i shouting, i dont care, listening to this is laughable. (no offence to england fans) but it is.

I have disagreed with the whole "england don't deserve to qualify" bollocks, as if they get a point tonight (or win) then they do deserve to go through.  

However if they lose tonight and qualify because Wussia fail to beat Andorra away then I think england and wussia should let the yids qualify, just for the crack.

come on ralph you pussy, turn the bill off and get the footie back on, your euro 08 dream lives on!!

shut it Jock!

 :D

Is that cunt Lampard playing tonight or WOT?  Fans are starting to boo so every chance of this going tits up.  And why can't we put a decent ball in or support Crouch properly, fucking shambles

I ain't said nuffin guv!!

Scottish soar grapes, we are bad, you think you are better than you are. Change the record pal/

How the fuck is that sour grapes you fucking stupid prick?

Sour grapes because you lost on Saturday ... you Scots haven't stopped moaning since.
If we qualify from any result then it is deserved, end of ... thats what a groups is about.

easy Dell!

To be honest I think Jans been quite reserved,if I was a Jock id be loving it :D

I'm watching.  :|

Dell Boy

For scotland to be underdogs in that group and get so close to qualifying but to get it snatched away at the last minute, they have the right to be pissed off.

England on the other hand who are bosted to be one of the best teams in the world and make such a shambles of qualification.

Im with jan on this one.

Fuck off dell, I'm fucking fed up of cunts like you telling me exactly what "I've been doing/saying/feeling since saturday.

As I've said before I haven't complained about the free kick, in fact I think the ref gave us a couple of decent decisions.  What goes around comes around.  End of the day we weren't good enough to qualify end of.  We move on, no sour grapes whatsoever.

My "england don't deserve it quote" has generally been said more by english people I have spoken to recently than any other nationality.

However this ain't what this thread is about.  Sorry about the rant.

Fuck of Polski!

ignore dell jan, the poor deluded old man is a clueless attention seeking troll.

a bit like gerald phillip's with a brain

fuck off Paddy!


 :D anymore?

atleast we qualified.


oh and we beat portugal in the process, soapy tit wank

fuck off hoolie!

i'm not trying to bait you, i'm baiting dell

Get over it , a draw wasn't any good for Scotland either, it was still not enough to qualify.
I supported Scotland big time on Saturday like a lot of other English tarts.
My comments tonight are probably not fair, but to be honest it is just passion for my country coming out, apologies Jan.

England can still qualify. They've rushed this too early on though.

And Scott Carson  :soapy tit wank:

haha I know

The day you bait me queer I'll be in my grave, go fuck yourself.

We'll move on Dell boy.

BOOM HEADSHOT!

four four fucking two you cocksucker. Four four fucking two.

You've reduced me to agreeing with Shearer. Where is the fucking spark. Where is the energy.

4-5-1 could work though Batch,  if you get Lampard and Gerrard running on.

Oh...

Who needs mourinho, we've got steve mclaren---oh.

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

is lampard playing?? has he had a touch. dont fucking think so.

Barry looks out of his depth. Gerrards the only one who looks like he actually cares, and hes been shit.

We play 451, go two down, AND CARRY ON PLAYING THE SAME SYSTEM THAT ISNT FUCKING WORKING. Is mclaren the only one watching who doesn't realise it. stupid twat.

All this talk in the media in the lead has been absolute bollocks. The players, minus gerrard, dont care. fucking pathetic  :evil:

highlight of the half was john motson at half time screaming "and wembely is booing", as if it was the crime of the century  :soapy tit wank:

Defoe and Beckham for Barry and Wright-Phillips.

Why take off Wright-Phillips. Attack attack attack. Fight fight fight. A goal would change the game.

Beckham and Defoe on - Looks like you've got 4-4-2 Batch.

wtf
 whys fatty lampard staying on? hasn't had a kick all game, wright-philips has looked our most threatening player but noooooooo, lets bring on the half fit show pony  :-))(

I swear Motson's not english, he almost seems to want england to fail.  Didn't you notice the excitement in his voice when he announced Wussia had taken the lead.

Don't write off Beckham, least he'll give it 100%!!  The bloke has done wonders for you in the past, he did it against Greece and if he gets a chance at a free kick, then you never know.

Remember Dave, deep breaths deep breaths. I can picture you reddened face clashing with your ginger hair as I type this!

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: this is worse than a swindon game. england are supposed to be good

totally agree, two set pieces with beckham on the pitch could get england back in it.

if england do qualify, what hqppens to mclaren?

Remember Brum vs Swindon 4-1 down with 20 mins to go and we won 6-4

Best match I have ever been to that was 1993 Easter Monday.

I just can't see croatia scoring another 2 for that to happen thoug RBE.

nor can I see England brining on Hoddle in midfield.

why the hell isnt ashley cole playing? he isnt injured, and hes twice the player bridges is

It was Shaun Taylor returning from a head wound around the 55th minute that turned the tide that day.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: You're right Jan, I can see them scoring another 3 though the way the defence is playing.  I've a feeling it might have been different if Ferdinand, Terry and Ashley Cole were playing but I could be talking 80% bollocks

pip pip penalty

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


well done fatty. COME ON ENGLAND

Mclaren goes if we qualify or not.

Get in Dennis Wise  :mrgreen:

after hitting the bar and that save there, I feel england will get something out of this.  When chances like that don't go in you start to wonder.

Fecking Wayne Bridge fecking stop ball watching you fecking feck.

what the fuck is he doing?!?!

Is Wayne Bridge picking up his first cap tonight.....

...for Croatia.  If so i think he might get a debut goal!!  Fuck me he's playing shit.

fuck me, how the hell are we back in this game.

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good job that show pony did something in the end. and crouch scores against a good team  :o

now that is a cross....

Well the fucking dodgy penalty helped!! :wink:

dunno about the penalty but a well produced (beckham) and taken goal

25 minutes of squeaky bum time then...

Please, please please don't take the foot off the pedal now you cunts. Get another goal cos we'll fucking need it

Germany 0 Wales 0 FT.

Don't care if they were already through or not, very poor result for gerry tonight.

haha in your face dachau

We are going through the motions, this is bloody dangerous, attack, attack

gay :(

What did I fucking say - total cunts

arse :cry:

Oh.

Always going to happen. Sat too deep and invited them onto us all night

Somebody get fucking Wayne Bridge off

we cant  :cry:

oops

Lescott, Bridge, Carson,, Defoe, Bent, Campbell (past his sale date) - they must put the fear of god into the opposition. Plus waste of spaces like Lampard. Then he takes off skillful players like Wright-Phillips and Cole, what a fucking tool this manager is.

Bent hasn't had a chance you cock bollock

I thank fuck I don't sit near any of you lot during town matches!!!

lescott campbell defoe and bent are the best fit players we have to offer in that position though. Blame mclaren for a lot of things, but you can't really blame him for that

What's the betting we get a free kick 2 minutes into injury time and Beckham steps up and scores....

Bent doesn't deserve a chance you cunt, he couldn't score in a brothel

we havent had players that scared the opposition since the days of Paul Scholes and Alan Shearer.

comes the arguament of too many foreginers in english football..

England should have 3/4 world class player able to fit each position if need me, but a few injuries and they are struggliing

indeed it was. superb cross

Fuck. he's just missed

Bent ten yards out, could he hit the target - answers on a postage stamp please

is the answer eric sabin?

try 18 yards out, chest high, volley, off balance, defenders either side of him. shut up you cunt-wipe

true, I remember when you had to be a 15/20 goal a season striker in the premiership to even get considered for England.

Tonight our strikers are a Liverpool bench warmer and two Spurs bench warmers WTF happened!

18 yards, ha ha, how many goals has he scored in his last 30 league games? Answers please on a postage stamp!!!

owen became a cripple, shearer retired and rooney isn't a prolific goalscorer anyway.

but a few years back you had Shearer, Owen, Sheringham, Fowler, Cole, Le Tissier and even Kevin bloody Phillips all scoring alot in the Premiership

11 goals in his last 30 league games

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=28055

or Charlie Griffin??

were going out  :cry:

We didn't deserve to go through, end of.
Look on the bright side McClaren out.

:(  :x  :cry:  :evil:

To all them stupid Englad fans when it was 2-2

YOUR NOT SIGNING ANY MORE,   YOUR NOT SIGNING ANYMORE

POLSKA  POLSKA  POLSKA   :D

why the devil did we sit back at 2-2. thats whats cost us today, and in russia. defensive tactics by  clueless, tactily inept manager. mclaren should be hung drawn and quatered.

YOUR NOT SIGNING,  YOUR NOT SIGNING,  YOUR NOT SIGNING ANYMORE

it might also act a catalyst for english football to sort itself out at international level. they've been overachieving for a fair while with quarter final appearances.

 :twisted:

Gerrard is an over-rated prima donna.

MACLAREN OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nps.gov/archive/beol/signs.jpg

You're not signing? Why are you taunting the deaf-mute community?

I could fit how many goals anyone has scored in their entire career onto a postage stamp.

This is precisely the problem England have, don't ever want to ring the changes. Fuck it put Agbonlahor in the team as long as it works.

I want someone like Houllier - who will bring through the players that will deserve and build us a future.

Now we'll get all the sickening post match interviews - "we didn't perform" shite.  Yeah right a quick shower and back home in the fucking ferrari and wonder what to spend this week's hundred grand on.

stefpol grow the fuck up

football is fucking shite.....

why do teams want to sit back when they have the result they want....what happened to teams attacking to win....when they score 1 they want 2, then 3, 4 & 5.

When it was 2-2 we should have pushed on for a 3rd to win the game, not go back to 4-5 fucking 1.

:) @ the yoof.


Fucking spastics - England players and management. Got what we deserved though.

No home nations in  Euro 08 :(

It tells you something that when were in trouble, we bring the mighty Darren Bent on.

God help us !!!

.....not forgetting, they'll be thinking where to go on holiday next summer...

Your a fucking prick.

We weren't playing Poland.

Oh well. I hope this finally gets rid of the deadwood. Manager and players.

Andorra are useless twats, couldn't even equalise against Russia for fuck sake.

God we're shite

So are the 70,000 English fans who started signing that tune when it was 2-2.

Time to book euro 2008 tickets now  :D    Probably wont be any hooliganism problems now england arent there  (unless the stupid poles take there place -  please to God no)

stef, stop the antagonistic bollocks please - you're being a childish moron.

Dobranoc

will...not...bite

Oh do fuck off. We'd just come back from 2-0 down ffs.

Stefpol - take a history lesson.  You guys qualify well but then ALWAYS balls it up

Sacking McClaren isn't enough. I demand a public hanging at the very least - it's more than time the FA was run according to sharia law. Still as a Welsh colleague has just pointed out to me (with remarkable restraint in the circumstances) at least this stops the usual idiots in the press rabbitting on about how we can win the thing if we had got thru

guten nacht

I've decided to bite my lip cos the way i feel i could say something that would get me banned.

Yep but in this instance, im pretty sure every English fan in the world would want to be in Polands position (ie in euro 2008.)  We wont win euro 2008, and will probably get knocked out in the first round and will lose every game 2-0 or 3-0.  However at least we qualified,  :wink:

have you ever been to a game in poland? or even seen one?

do you know anything about hooliganism in poland?

its ok. i doubt any of the england/fa read this, so they wont get offfended. and stefpol's foreign, so it doesn't matter about him

Gutted is what I feel. Gutted. I hope we smash the bastards from Bristol now, smash 'em, 5-0, no 6-0.

weren't you leaving or do you need some help?

there's not even a decent minnow like latvia in the euro's this time

Our best bet now is to hope one of the countries breaks out into civil war, having to pull out of the tournament at the 11th hour

The Summers gonna suck now :cry:

Yes i do and its bad - Poland are in the position now which england were in 20 years ago.

Anyway  do you ever go to Poland games, or are you an armchair Polish fan ?  Did u watch the 2-2 draw vs Serbia on tvp 2?  Murawski and Matusiak scored good goals.  Have u ever been to a Poland game,  or even know any of the plaers?

I guess theres scope for a home nations tournament ..

Not that arsed tbh

ooh a Pole-off.

Well that was shit wasnt it.

Get out Maclaren, quit before you are sacked.

I never felt comfortable even when we got back to 2-2, every time Croats attacked we looked like conceeding, too many poor performances, too many poor players.

Barry, Bridges, Carson, Lescott all very very poor.
Lampard, Gerrard, Cole, poor.
Crouch, Richards, Beckham, Defoe, SWP little better.

Only positives really was Crouch taking his goal well, no bottle, no passion, no finals.

Didnt really care about us going to the finals TBH it just wpuld have been nice to have had a side to support there as we always went out in the quarters anyway!

stefpol.....ye there isnt gonna be any polish hooligans in austria, none at all.

Listen to danny dyers first words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42plidAWbhM&feature=related

my god you truly are a complete and utter cunt aren't you?

watching it now on Virgin 1 media.

Ahahaha, oh dear, im not going to get into an arguament.

The answer is yes to all.

I have been to a Poland game ( a fair few)
I have been to a wisla krakow game
I did watch the game (well what i could i was at work till 9)
And yes i know a lot about polish football.

soapy tit wank i believe he supports Poland etc,  was just wondering if he knew a lot about the team, watched their games etc.  I had a ticket to watch Poland vs Belgium in Chorzow over the weekend, but had to give the ticket to my brothers girldfirend - as i have to study for my accounting aca exams.

Today, to many people are armchair fans,  just wondering whether he followed Poland,  or just wanted to see them do well because of polish family/connections

 8)

pah, and you call yourself a fan

i'm more polish than both of you.

Croatia outplayed England Modric and Simunic(3 cards) played well. Mcclaren has to go now. He was 4th choice. The FA Should of offered the job to Hiddink or Big Phil Scolari but they went for the cheaper option. Stevie Mac is going to get in the paper tomorrow.

Someone posted on bbc 606  (not me)

There's another downside if England don't qualify. Those well loved, well famous, friendly fans won't be there to insult everyone and say "we won the war". Oh, how their contribution will be missed when everyone else is having a nice time without them ruining the party.

Pfft I went to Swindon v Yeovil the day before an exam and it was on telly.

I won't tell you how the exam went though  8)

Maclarens refusing to step down

If what your asking is "does he only support poland when they do well, and if they get knocked out then support england?" the answer is no.

But i will not belittle england fans or mock them due to a poor result.
I may have a little laugh with my mates, but theres no need to come on this forum giving it all that because england lost.

If it was germany then yes, i would understand.

Hehe hows ure aca exams going ?

Im doing the new aca course, and have auditing and financial accounting papers to do in early december.  My financial accounting paper is similar to the old aca financial reporting paper.  Too mucj fucking work for my liking thou  :cry:

2 more and I'm part qualified. Old syllabus.

Failed Financial Reporting twice. I blame these international standards they make us learn  :o

hmmm mclaren was asked whether he'd resign, said its not the time to discuss the future
asked whether he'd stay on he said the same thing. make of that what you will...

Nail his head and hands to the doors of Soho Square. Nothing less will do. If it's good enough for Cicero...

 Fucking Austrians could have done with a good shoeing for the Anschluss and Kurt Waldheim..

  I long ago accepted my lot as a Swindon fan and England fan....it wasn't always like this, in my teens, England won a WC and STFC won a major trophy....I rather stupidly thought  these things might happen again.

  Our defeat to Wolves in 80 and failure to qualify for the WC of 74 and 78, put me right on that one.

Grr, doesnt boed well for me then

Ive had enough of consolidated accounts.  We have to do consolidated bloody cashflow statements (dont think u had to do that in your studies yet).  And yes, those ifrs's are bloody stupid - espeically having to leaarn the differences to UK Gaap

Stop wingeing and get on with the study - then one day you can be like me.

These new exams are too bloody easy anyway. Anyone can pass now  - bring back the old ones.

I've luckily been spared the opportunity to watch too many England games recently. Today's excuse for not going to the pub was - well nothing really, so I went home and did some ironing. In hindsight, sounds like a good move on my part.

There is no doubt in my mind following this failure (and yes, not being able to qualify out of this group MUST be considered as failure) that McClaren should be sacked as England Manager. The team has stagnated further under his reign than it did under Sven. Maybe now is the ideal opportunity for the FA to take stock, review the whole structure of football in England and this time DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Now is the time to start planning and building for WC 2010 in South Africa, not 6-12 months later. NOW.

Of course, thats easy to say, and nigh on impossible to do. Therefore the FA will dutifully do sweet FA, keep McClaren as manager and England will plummet to new depths, the players will remain passionless while picking up their fat cheques and the media will have another feeding frenzy at the zoo....

mclaren should have had the lot of them straight out onthe pitch after
wards. on their knees, hari kari, with rusty coat hangers, the fucking lot of them. he should have been last, with a noose. cunts.

so who should we get next? don't rate hiddink much either after watching russia at the weekend...

I'd love to get someone like Mourinho or Lippi in, but it just ain't going to happen. I think they'll go for O'Neill, but i'm not sure that he'll want it either.

El Tel anyone? :shock:

:--

O'Neil is a good shout if he'll have the job

I might head round the corner to Soho Square tomorrow morning and ask if they've got an application form though, just on the off chance  :wink:

Oh, and I got so caught up in the managerial debate I forgot to vent my frustration!

Carson - SHIT, should never have been playing

Richards - mehh
Lescot -mehhh
Campbell - not bad
Bridge - not even going there

Joe Cole - was alright
Barry - looked lost
Lampard - bearely involved
Gerrard - off the pace
SWP - should have done better with the chance he had

Crouch - worked hard but was isolated a lot of the time, good goal

Becks - why didn't he start?! I think he was suited to this game and said it before
Defoe - mehhh
Bent - do fuck off

 :cry:

Sorry Si, as an ex ICAEW employee there really is no such thing as part qualified - you're either an ACA or you're not, you're not really allowed to use your proff stage passes as anything really, although most places will use it as an indication as to what potential you have etc...

And like R4E I also forgot my two penneth...

1st goal - as soon as he looked to cut inside I shouted 'don't let him shoot' - yes Carson should have saved it, but this guy is a Prem player, they know the lad will shoot if he gets the chance.

2nd goal - what on earth was Wayne Bridge doing getting beyond the lad that passed it in the first place?  He was so far behind the play to begin with that geting goal side of him should never have crossed his mind, so the player who scored would have been offside...

For their third goal it was obvious what was going to happen, I was thinking 'why aren't they closing him down?' - 'oh shit, that's it, we're out'

Now if I can see this shit coming when I've been drinking then why the fuck can't these players that are paid God knows what?  

This whole campaign has been a disgrace from beginning to end, fuck getting El Tel in, gut the whole setup and start from scratch!

I did exactly the same. He does it week in and week out for Portsmouth and with the wet surface last night they should have been prepared for long range shooting.



I thought we did ok in the play leading up to the goal. Kept pressure on their men and made them play it backwards. Then it took one good pass through our midfield and no-one got tight to him. You can't afford giving players time and space like that on the edge of the 18 yard box.

What's all the hype about Micah Richards????

He's fucking dreadful, Bridge was appalling, Gerrard's a cunt, Lescott is dire, Carson's a fool.

*Rages*

Shows the character of the man when he leaves his players out there taking stick while he scarpers down the tunnel. Then the useless scrote admits its his fault, he's failed, yet won't bastard resign. I hate him a lot.

Bridge was poor.
SWP tracked Olic (not his job, granted) and then just let him go while sticking his hand in the air - rubbish
Carson. Oh dear oh dear. I rate him, but that was terrible.
Reverting to the Lampard/Gerrard midfield... its failed for 4+ years, dont rely on it to get you out of sticky situations for gods sake!
FAO Sol - If someone is shaping to shoot, take a note from JT and throw yourself at the ball, not turn your back you fucking pansy.

All in all, i'm disappointed and in a bad mood.

Probably because if he's sacked he'll get millions in a pay off but nothing if he resigns

Carson should not have been put in this position, If you are going to drop your number 1 then surely it makes sense to play the second best keeper who happens to be David James? Why play a system that obviously does not suit Englands style of play? stick to 4-4-2 its tried and trusted and most of it works!.In his defence McClaren has had bad luck with key players being injured but surely the players that he did pick should be good enough and have enough pride to put in a better performance than last night? Fuck me its not rocket science its basic football skills and awareness.I would have had a bit more respect for the man if he had held his hands up last night and resigned but know he will get a big pay out for failing to do his job :nuts:

The thing is there is not any decent English goalkeepers about at the moment, and their doesn't seem to be any of the horizon
IMHO Steve Harper is better than some of the clowns that have played recently namely fatty Robinson and Scott Carson. David James is very good on his day, but have too many 'playstation' moments in international football.

I rate Rob Green personally.

Can anyone remember seeing a football manager with an umbrella before ?

no or a cup of coffee without a care in the world. Oh well Mike Baldwin is gone now!

I think Green's probably the best england have at this time.

interesting to see what Mclaren said about Scott Carson

"He made a fantastic save to keep us in the game at the start of the second half. "

does he mean the one he knew fuck all about that hit him in the face ?

I will also add, with respect to the following comment:

"It is an indescribable pain...We know what they [the fans] are feeling - we are feeling exactly the same."

actually we are not feeling exactly the same - I am not wondering what I can do next summer with 2 million quid to spend.

CUNTS !!!

at least you didn't have to sit through the match I watched last night, good god what a bore that was.

That was as bad as a defeat for gerry, drawing with the welsh at home.  Commentator was saying the lacklustre gerry performance may have been down to the fact that the Czechs had already won the group.

But still 0-0 against Wales, at home, when you' :wink: re the so called "master race"??

you have no idea how bad the game was though, it was like watching a pre-season friendly nobody seemed like they could be bothered.

The Norn Iron match wasn't that much better, the Spaniards dominated thematch fomr start to finish.  Which is a shame.  NI really shouldn't have blown it against Latvia and Iceland!

Actually Bent scored 15 goals last season and 22 the one before so he is a 15/20 goal a season striker, likewise Crouch scored 24 last season and 17 the year before, 16 the year before that, so he is too.

It was a very well taken penalty from Lampard and a great goal from Crouch, rest of the game was awful. Oh and stef pol is a cunt.