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Does anyone actually think any black England players deserved to be on the DVD?  Ince maybe, that's about it really, and it's only a maybe.  In my opinion of course.

And what are the FA suggesting by destroying copies and making a new one?  That the first one was a White Power DVD, or that they forgot black players had played for England.

Load of crap if you ask me.

at the end of the day in the eyes of the producers the selected players didn't quite make it up to scratch. i would feel more offended if i was a black person and my name was added just to make up numbers for the PC brigade.

thats my honest opinion.

well... John Barnes could have easily made it on there, but it is nothing to do with racism it is just a dvd of england greats and no blacks are england greats so didn't get on. nothing to get thrills about!

Mark Walters should be on it.

now that is true!  :beers

i recon adding blacks on it just for proportional representation is racist, because it maybe suggests they are less competent than whites and that they need that extra bit of help (i.e.) not on the original list, to make it on there.

if you dont understand what im saying,im not suprised but iv thought it my whole life.
proprtional representation is fundamentally racist.

yes dex its derogatory towards (in this case) blacks and is also a form of negative PC. If one player is better than the next then they should not have to sacrifice their place just for proportional representation.

That said, I would have liked to see someone like Ince in their,  due to his many  years of great service for England. He was always proud to wear an England shirt

What about Sol Campbell.....his WC career stands comparison  to most Engalnd centre backs and he was voted in the best XI at the last one.

 Don't know what criteria they used for the selection......but its difficult to see how players like Barnes Ince  Campbell......wouldn't stand comparison.

yup SC is probably the best England centre back in the last 10 years IMO

Does anyone know what the list of players were?  How many players were on it?

I would have thought there were some black players on it such as Sol Campbell, Ian Wright etc.  Problem is, of course it is only recently that black players have been in the England team.  There is no point putting black players on the video just to make the numbers up - in my opinion, that is more racist.

i thought about Sol Campbell, i think he should of been in it. but of course dunno how many and who are in it so can't say too much!

Sol cambell or Bobby Moore?!?! no contest. and Barnes was more inconsistent than beckham for england!!!

When you look at the England legends, R Charlton, R Moore, G Banks, S Matthews, T Finney, G Lineker, A Shearer, P Gascoigne, P Shilton, Becks, B Robson, J Greaves, I think you'd struggle to name a black player to get in infront of this lot.  I haven't got a clue who made it into the original 12.

Ian wright cannot be considered a England legend, I take it this is about the international side?!?  In which case Wright wouldn't make it into the top fifty.

Another point about "positive discrimintion" the one bit of application forms I hate is the "We at "ACME Corps" believe in equal opportunities, please mark the ethnic group you belong to"

Why should they know at that stage, why should it make a difference?

i think it's to make clear that it isn't their ethnicity that they are discriminating against?

jan the warld has gone mad

Please take note:

THIS DVD IS ENGLAND PERFORMANCES, NOT PLAYERS.

You shouldn;t just pick the 4 best black England players and find the best performance they were involved in. That is so anti-racist that it IS racist.

Bit like turning a clock back. you reach midnight, and if you keep turning it then you're back where you started.
Totally useless, irrelevant exapmle for you to enjoy!

I'll shut up now.

again, you just repeated everything that has already been said in the thread. well done

we should change his name to "in conclusion"

same goes for johno, you'd never guess they know each other  :|

same goes for johno, you'd never guess they know each other.


SHIT it's catching  :wink:

Just shows what we already know, the FA is spineless and pretty incompetant. Someone should tell the FA that you can go too far with the racism thing.

I wonder what would happen if Scotland produced a greatest 11 video and shock horror there were no blacks in it?

Nigel Quashie - Scotlands greatest ever full back.

Ian Wright and John Barnes, two greats of our domestic game, but if you dont do it for England then you aint an England legend.

People would probably complain in Ireland if the Best Irish matches DVD contained all sober players!

Stereotypist  :evil:

racist. him and johno both are. fuckin swindon branch of theKKK

Harsh my friend. :x

Is this meant to be funny?

it's rather an ironic statement considerin the sentiments expressed in his previous posts in this thread,

I think you'llf ind the two posts have exactly the same point in them. People complain about these things when they are fine as they are.
Okay so the irish thing was a crap joke i admit it.