Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Monday, February 18, 2008, 15:39:23 A long way off granted but lets say we dont get in the playoffs which i dont think we will .
Where do wee need to improve to aim for the play offs ? I reckon a new left back vincent is good but we could do with better imo . Right winger for competition more than anything else, two new strikers and two new centre midfielders. What do you reckon Title: Next Season Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, February 18, 2008, 15:41:05 A decent creative midfielder as a matter of prioirty and another striker
Title: Next Season Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, February 18, 2008, 15:50:53 A pacey striker.
Another right winger. A creative central midfielder [x2?] Another left back. That's for a serious promotion push, obviously keeping the main base of this squad as it is now and getting rid of the players we really don't need (Sturrock; Pook; etc.). Title: Next Season Post by: flammableBen on Monday, February 18, 2008, 16:18:55 I'm going to support the reserves next season.
Title: Next Season Post by: Batch on Monday, February 18, 2008, 16:24:34 The midfield needs sorting. On their day all are good, but I'm not convinced by any of our wingers ability to be consistent. And obviously Easton and Peacock need a player to complement their hard work <insert obvious joke here>.
I think we are a striker short, assuming Corr is unfit. If Paynter can get his confidence up maybe he can do the job though? Title: Next Season Post by: returnofthereds on Monday, February 18, 2008, 16:34:00 Gonna need a new keeper when Brez leaves.
Dont think smithy is good enough,not if we want to establish ourselves up a level. Title: Next Season Post by: DiV on Monday, February 18, 2008, 16:43:21 another central midfielder....another striker....
Title: Next Season Post by: adje on Monday, February 18, 2008, 16:49:29 ...yep,I've now seen Ashikodi and I'm not impressed
Title: Next Season Post by: Arriba on Monday, February 18, 2008, 16:54:57 disagree about vincent he's missed badly when not in the side.keeps it simple and goes about his job well.a leader and a talker too.
we need a 20+ goal scorer.cox could be that man but aint there yet. a centre mid better than what we have is the most crucial player we need imo. apart from that we are pretty strong i reckon.but if player lack form-ie roberts, then obviously those areas will need replacing. Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Monday, February 18, 2008, 17:00:15 Quote from: "arriba" disagree about vincent he's missed badly when not in the side.keeps it simple and goes about his job well.a leader and a talker too. understand what your saying about vincent but part of that is due to not having a real capable replacement .In my opinion Next season we need to sort something out in the striker department when one is suspended we are fucked at the moment, Ashikodi has showed nothing sturrock not good enough and we just cant rely on corr at allwe need a 20+ goal scorer.cox could be that man but aint there yet. a centre mid better than what we have is the most crucial player we need imo. apart from that we are pretty strong i reckon.but if player lack form-ie roberts, then obviously those areas will need replacing. Title: Next Season Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 18, 2008, 17:00:29 neither Vincent or Nicholas are good enough, neither are the central mids, also one more striker, we should then be there or thereabouts
Title: Next Season Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, February 18, 2008, 17:39:46 We have 3 good strikers in Corr, Cox and Paynter but maybe another one wouldn't do any harm. We deffo need a creative centre mid though. A left back is not as urgent as the midfield but it would be nice to get one in. Think we are fine out wide though.
Title: Next Season Post by: STFC4LIFE on Monday, February 18, 2008, 18:18:46 Quote from: "suttonred" neither Vincent or Nicholas are good enough, neither are the central mids, also one more striker, we should then be there or thereabouts Easton? Title: Next Season Post by: herthab on Monday, February 18, 2008, 19:12:51 Quote from: "returnofthereds" Gonna need a new keeper when Brez leaves. Dont think smithy is good enough,not if we want to establish ourselves up a level. Disagree. Can't remember Smithy giving a bad performance when given an opportunity, whereas Brez has made quite a few blunders this season. For a proper promotion push, ie a real go for an automatic spot, we'll need a major overhaul. With the exception of Cox, Aljofree, Ifil and possibly Easton, the squad we've got at the moment (Based on what they've done this season) don't cut it. As someone else said, we've got too many players who only seem able to play to their full potential once every 3, 4 or 5 games and you don't win promotion with players like that....................... Title: Next Season Post by: leefer on Monday, February 18, 2008, 20:04:33 When we played forest we competed really well,the game was won with a moment of quality,i would rather we baught a couple of quality players other than six squad players,the players weve got are good honest players,but not many can change a match with a moment of quality like tysons goal .
Title: Next Season Post by: leefer on Monday, February 18, 2008, 20:04:33 When we played forest we competed really well,the game was won with a moment of quality,i would rather we baught a couple of quality players other than six squad players,the players weve got are good honest players,but not many can change a match with a moment of quality like tysons goal .
Title: Next Season Post by: leefer on Monday, February 18, 2008, 20:04:48 When we played forest we competed really well,the game was won with a moment of quality,i would rather we baught a couple of quality players other than six squad players,the players weve got are good honest players,but not many can change a match with a moment of quality like tysons goal .
Title: Next Season Post by: adje on Monday, February 18, 2008, 20:58:20 Quote from: "herthab" Quote from: "returnofthereds" Gonna need a new keeper when Brez leaves. Dont think smithy is good enough,not if we want to establish ourselves up a level. Disagree. Can't remember Smithy giving a bad performance when given an opportunity, whereas Brez has made quite a few blunders this season. For a proper promotion push, ie a real go for an automatic spot, we'll need a major overhaul. With the exception of Cox, Aljofree, Ifil and possibly Easton, the squad we've got at the moment (Based on what they've done this season) don't cut it. As someone else said, we've got too many players who only seem able to play to their full potential once every 3, 4 or 5 games and you don't win promotion with players like that....................... Agree with that-though I'd add Comminges to the list Title: Next Season Post by: Ralphy on Monday, February 18, 2008, 21:06:30 A new ground.
Title: Next Season Post by: axs on Monday, February 18, 2008, 21:07:47 I'm not fussed about a new ground, especially if it was moved.
Title: Next Season Post by: DiV on Monday, February 18, 2008, 23:02:33 Quote from: "adje" Quote from: "herthab" Quote from: "returnofthereds" Gonna need a new keeper when Brez leaves. Dont think smithy is good enough,not if we want to establish ourselves up a level. Disagree. Can't remember Smithy giving a bad performance when given an opportunity, whereas Brez has made quite a few blunders this season. For a proper promotion push, ie a real go for an automatic spot, we'll need a major overhaul. With the exception of Cox, Aljofree, Ifil and possibly Easton, the squad we've got at the moment (Based on what they've done this season) don't cut it. As someone else said, we've got too many players who only seem able to play to their full potential once every 3, 4 or 5 games and you don't win promotion with players like that....................... Agree with that-though I'd add Comminges to the list and Billy Paynter and Lee Peacock.....and JP McGovern. Title: Next Season Post by: McLovin on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 08:44:50 I don't think we'll get anywhere under Malpas... so i say we'll need a new gaffer. I know it's early days, but i just get a gut feeling that he hasn't got what it takes motivationally or tactically to get the best out of a team
Title: Next Season Post by: Luci on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 08:51:44 Motivation does seem to be an issue.....
Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 09:07:44 Quote from: "DV" Quote from: "adje" Quote from: "herthab" Quote from: "returnofthereds" Gonna need a new keeper when Brez leaves. Dont think smithy is good enough,not if we want to establish ourselves up a level. Disagree. Can't remember Smithy giving a bad performance when given an opportunity, whereas Brez has made quite a few blunders this season. For a proper promotion push, ie a real go for an automatic spot, we'll need a major overhaul. With the exception of Cox, Aljofree, Ifil and possibly Easton, the squad we've got at the moment (Based on what they've done this season) don't cut it. As someone else said, we've got too many players who only seem able to play to their full potential once every 3, 4 or 5 games and you don't win promotion with players like that....................... Agree with that-though I'd add Comminges to the list and Billy Paynter and Lee Peacock.....and JP McGovern. Title: Next Season Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 10:33:09 How do you know motivation seems to be a problem? Team seems pretty up for most games to me...
Title: Next Season Post by: Luci on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 10:37:24 Neither of us said we knew, only opinions.
Title: Next Season Post by: fatbury on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 10:39:07 dare I say it .... another manager? :|
Title: Next Season Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 10:59:22 Points per game:
Malpas = 1.57 Byrne = 1.11 Sturrock = 1.47 Title: Next Season Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:37:44 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "DV" Quote from: "adje" Quote from: "herthab" Quote from: "returnofthereds" Gonna need a new keeper when Brez leaves. Dont think smithy is good enough,not if we want to establish ourselves up a level. Disagree. Can't remember Smithy giving a bad performance when given an opportunity, whereas Brez has made quite a few blunders this season. For a proper promotion push, ie a real go for an automatic spot, we'll need a major overhaul. With the exception of Cox, Aljofree, Ifil and possibly Easton, the squad we've got at the moment (Based on what they've done this season) don't cut it. As someone else said, we've got too many players who only seem able to play to their full potential once every 3, 4 or 5 games and you don't win promotion with players like that....................... Agree with that-though I'd add Comminges to the list and Billy Paynter and Lee Peacock.....and JP McGovern. if we dont play with Peacock as a regular centre midfielder we arent strong enough in the middle and teams will walk through our midfield, like Forest did Saturday. Title: Next Season Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:39:52 Not if he isn't motivated enough DV
Title: Next Season Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:42:39 Peacocks always motivated :D
as far as im aware, and I could be wrong apart from 1 game we've lost every game Peacock has missed injured. Title: Next Season Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:45:09 I bet Malpas demotivates him somehow. Probably tells him his tattoos will look shit in 30 years time before every game.
Title: Next Season Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:58:06 Yeah, and that he's got a stupid accent.
Title: Next Season Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 12:13:22 and a crap imitation dell boy jacket.
Title: Next Season Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 14:06:49 Quote from: "Si Pie" Not if he isn't motivated enough DV I don't think we can get anyone more motivated than Peacock tbh, he always gives 100% Title: Next Season Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 14:09:38 Even if he's called a City reject by Aaron Brown before every game?
Title: Next Season Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 14:12:18 Quote from: "Si Pie" Points per game: Malpas = 1.57 Byrne = 1.11 Sturrock = 1.47 Nice one, stats like that make me happy. Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 14:12:18 Quote from: "Power to people" Quote from: "Si Pie" Not if he isn't motivated enough DV I don't think we can get anyone more motivated than Peacock tbh, he always gives 100% Title: Next Season Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 14:25:10 Quote from: "Barry Scott" Quote from: "Si Pie" Points per game: Malpas = 1.57 Byrne = 1.11 Sturrock = 1.47 Nice one, stats like that make me happy. It's about the only serious post I've made today in this thread :) Title: Next Season Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 15:25:06 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Power to people" Quote from: "Si Pie" Not if he isn't motivated enough DV I don't think we can get anyone more motivated than Peacock tbh, he always gives 100% Peacocks got ability though.... Title: Next Season Post by: McLovin on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 15:29:24 Short term stats, it looks good. I just don't feel too positive about his long term abilities as a manager.
Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 15:40:41 Quote from: "DV" Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Power to people" Quote from: "Si Pie" Not if he isn't motivated enough DV I don't think we can get anyone more motivated than Peacock tbh, he always gives 100% Peacocks got ability though.... Title: Next Season Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 15:58:16 peacocks abilty is limited.
his game is virtually all about effort. pook, in time could be a better player.whether he will or not remains to be seen Title: Next Season Post by: dell boy on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:01:52 If we as Swindon fans were to pick a team from all sides in this division, I believe the only one from our squad who MIGHT get in would be Brez.
I think that says it all ... we have no stars, we do have great team spirit, we need a couple of quality players in the midfield and then the team might gel. Players like Corr, Cox and Paynter will never give the returns they are capable of without the proper service from the middle of the park. Title: Next Season Post by: fatbury on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:11:37 Looking at the side -- keepers GOOD tick
central defenders - Ifil Aljofree Kanyuka GOOD tick full backs - Vincent Comminges Smith Nicholas OK tick .. maybe a better left back? midfield - Peacock and Easton and Pook OK tick - need one quality central midfielder wings - JPM Zaaboub McNamee Roberts ok - maybe need a goalscoring winger?? tho low priority stikers - Cox Corr Paynter Sturrock - Cox and Corr ok but 2nd priority after quality central mid is a new striker who can score a few -- maybe Parkin?? my side for next year Brez Comminges Ifil Aljofree new LB McNamee Peacock NEW CM Zaaboub Cox New F So all in all only 3 players out really Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:15:34 Quote from: "fatbury" Looking at the side -- keepers GOOD tick Please please please stop it how and why is peacock a better option than eastoncentral defenders - Ifil Aljofree Kanyuka GOOD tick full backs - Vincent Comminges Smith Nicholas OK tick .. maybe a better left back? midfield - Peacock and Easton and Pook OK tick - need one quality central midfielder wings - JPM Zaaboub McNamee Roberts ok - maybe need a goalscoring winger?? tho low priority stikers - Cox Corr Paynter Sturrock - Cox and Corr ok but 2nd priority after quality central mid is a new striker who can score a few -- maybe Parkin?? my side for next year Brez Comminges Ifil Aljofree new LB McNamee Peacock NEW CM Zaaboub Cox New F So all in all only 3 players out really Title: Next Season Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:17:47 because he has charisma.
footballing ability is second to alot of fans.hence why he won player of the year last season Title: Next Season Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:42:16 I can't fault Peacocks commitment and he comes across as a likeable bloke, but if we want a side that can realistically challenge for automatic promotion next season we need quality players in every position.
It'll be interesting to see what MM does in the summer with regard to the squad and how much financial backing he'll be given. As for Malpas not being the man for the job, you can only go on what he's done since he's been here, with a team he mostly inherited. Title: Next Season Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:51:44 I'm fairly happy with Malpas except for the fact that he picks Pook.What do managers see in this bloke?Someone said earlier that he could get better but the bloke cant shoot pass or head a ball.He runs around a lot and puts a few tackles in but I do that on a Sunday morning!
Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 16:58:03 Quote from: "adje" I'm fairly happy with Malpas except for the fact that he picks Pook.What do managers see in this bloke?Someone said earlier that he could get better but the bloke cant shoot pass or head a ball.He runs around a lot and puts a few tackles in but I do that on a Sunday morning! to be fair pook only really plays when we have no other optionTitle: Next Season Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 17:22:17 Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "DV" Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Power to people" Quote from: "Si Pie" Not if he isn't motivated enough DV I don't think we can get anyone more motivated than Peacock tbh, he always gives 100% Peacocks got ability though.... His work rate, his effort, his commitment, his heading ability, his distribution, he use of the ball, his tackling, his breaking up of play, his leadership, his comminication, his tracking back. He doesnt score goals or come out with defence splitting passes, but that isnt his job is it. His job to break up play and stop the opposition playing, giving them no time on the ball and he does that. When he wins the ball, he uses it well and finds the simple pass. I think our current bunch of players is better than some are giving them credit for. I dont think we need a major overhaul to have a proper play off push. If we hadnt of changed managers and had that spell where we had what seemed like half our team out injured who knows....there was also the first few games where we lacked some strikers. Cox, Paytner and a fit Barry Corr from the start of the season.... The main thing we've lacked this season for the most part is a striker partnership. The best one is Paynter and Cox hopefully they'll get a run in the side now. Brezovan Comminges Ifil Aljofree Vincent JPM Peacock Easton McNamee Paynter Cox Get those 11 playing every week and hopefully they will add a bit of consistency to their game.....and we'll do alright. Title: Next Season Post by: red macca on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 17:25:48 Quote from: "DV" Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "DV" Quote from: "red macca" Quote from: "Power to people" Quote from: "Si Pie" Not if he isn't motivated enough DV I don't think we can get anyone more motivated than Peacock tbh, he always gives 100% Peacocks got ability though.... His work rate, his effort, his commitment, his heading ability, his distribution, he use of the ball, his tackling, his breaking up of play, his leadership, his comminication, his tracking back. He doesnt score goals or come out with defence splitting passes, but that isnt his job is it. His job to break up play and stop the opposition playing, giving them no time on the ball and he does that. When he wins the ball, he uses it well and finds the simple pass. I think our current bunch of players is better than some are giving them credit for. I dont think we need a major overhaul to have a proper play off push. If we hadnt of changed managers and had that spell where we had what seemed like half our team out injured who knows....there was also the first few games where we lacked some strikers. Cox, Paytner and a fit Barry Corr from the start of the season.... The main thing we've lacked this season for the most part is a striker partnership. The best one is Paynter and Cox hopefully they'll get a run in the side now. Brezovan Comminges Ifil Aljofree Vincent JPM Peacock Easton McNamee Paynter Cox Get those 11 playing every week and hopefully they will add a bit of consistency to their game.....and we'll do alright. Title: Next Season Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 17:31:24 Where as right now I think we do need both of them in there.
I dont know about you, but I was at Forest on Saturday and our midfield lack the same steel it does with Peacock in there. Again, every game Peacock has missed this season with injury we've missed him..... The way we play, we have two in the middle who to break up play and supply the wingers. Its then their job to get the ball in the box and set up the goals. Really, Easton should be the one getting further forward he's got better attacking attributes than Peacock has Title: Next Season Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 17:34:20 He looked a little rusty saturday,understandably but I have to now admit that we miss Peacock
Title: Next Season Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 19:45:15 We should get a team full of blacks and be sponsered by Desmonds. That would be fucking quality, also sell rice and peas and jerk chicken in the concourses 8)
Title: Next Season Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 07:24:28 Quote from: "arriba" disagree about vincent he's missed badly when not in the side.keeps it simple and goes about his job well.a leader and a talker too. we need a 20+ goal scorer.cox could be that man but aint there yet. a centre mid better than what we have is the most crucial player we need imo. apart from that we are pretty strong i reckon.but if player lack form-ie roberts, then obviously those areas will need replacing. I'd agree with that. A quality playmaker alongside Easty is what we really need. A decent reserve keeper for Smith or Brez if one leaves would be all I'd add. Title: Next Season Post by: DMR on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 07:24:55 Quote from: "arriba" disagree about vincent he's missed badly when not in the side.keeps it simple and goes about his job well.a leader and a talker too. we need a 20+ goal scorer.cox could be that man but aint there yet. a centre mid better than what we have is the most crucial player we need imo. apart from that we are pretty strong i reckon.but if player lack form-ie roberts, then obviously those areas will need replacing. I'd agree with that. A quality playmaker alongside Easty is what we really need. A decent reserve keeper for Smith or Brez if one leaves would be all I'd add. Title: Next Season Post by: thepeoplesgame on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 10:28:36 Quote from: "DV" The way we play, we have two in the middle to break up play and supply the wingers. Its then their job to get the ball in the box and set up the goals. Agreed, that's Sturrock's style and on a good day (vs Cheltenham) it works. As we have Sturrock's team this is a style we should stick to and try to exploit as successfully as possible for the rest of the season. To this end, Peacock is a decent midfielder for us. And he must also have the best aerial ability of any midfielder in our division. Malpas obviously wants to change the style and have a creative central midfielder, hence the McGovern experiment, so he will no doubt be looking for one in the summer. As the McGovern experiment proved though, we don't have anyone who can do it at the moment, so stick with what you know should be the policy. And to be honest, good creative midfielders are probably quite hard to come by at this level, which is no doubt why Sturrock developed a system to win lower league football matches without one in the first place. Title: Next Season Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 12:11:07 Reading this stuff my mind wanders back to 67/68....we had a decent side for this level, good going forward, so strong at home but very dodgy away. Inconsistency cost us though and we finished 10th...no PO's then so a long way off the top 2, needed for promotion.
In the close season Dannny Williams made two or three changes, Mel Nurse wanted to return to Wales, so Frank Burrows came in a like for like swap. Pat Terry, who was a journeyman (but very good) striker left. But the next move was the key....Williams brought in John Smith....Smith was a a play maker, he wore number 9, but played deep, Peter Noble was pushed up front more or less on his own. Wallop....we had the best side in our post war history. We got Smith from Torquay, where he'd gone to graze and drink cider...he was overweight, and had been close to a career at the top with both Spurs and West Ham, but he was a footballer who could pass. I guess its what good management is all about being able to see what's required, and having a bit of luck in it turning out. We need an equivalent of Smith.....I suppose in more recent times Micky Hazard, would be that type of player....again ex Spurs, and a playmaker. Someone who didn't quite make it at the top. Paul Evans, briefly last season, showed the sort of thing we need. |