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Just for those who haven't seen it yet, we've signed Frampton from Millwall on loan... good signing to my mind! Well done DW!  :clap:

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/8480595.BREAKING_NEWS__Town_snap_up_centre_back/

"TOWN have signed Millwall defender Andy Frampton on a one-month loan deal.
The 31-year-old, who can play at centre-back or left-back, will go straight into the squad to face Yeovil on Saturday.

Frampton won Millwall's Player of the Season award in 2008-09, and has also turned out for Crystal Palace, Brentford and Leyton Orient. "

Hope he does well and it gets extended...

That looks a spot on signing.

What do we need him for.? Who's he going to replace.

Isn't he the psycho that kung-fu kicked Douglas a couple of seasons ago?

He'll do for me :)

Yeah an older head who can play on the left or the middle, got player of the year a couple of years ago for Millwall.

Gutsy player who will hopefully steady the ship in defence and bring about a bit more consistency. Obviously wants to be playing first team football if he's happy to come on loan at 31. Would love to see him do well, and for this to get extended

Looks the right sort of signing to me.

Ace, now we got Bryan Ferry, Lionel Ritchie and Peter Frampton. We can make an 80's super group!

Weirdly Frampton is one of those players I remember from Millwall and Palace before that. He's a big lad, and a mouthy lad but he's strong and well able to look after himself and others.

Guess he hasn't been brought in to sit on the bench.

Can we find a slot for the ghost of Jim Morrison?

Good signing, he brings leadership and experience to the back 4.  Interesting that he seems to be a left sided centre half as well so will bring balance to the defence.

Do you actually know owt about this fella apart from the bit in the Adver.  He might be Greer, he might be Carl Tiler....let's just have a look before passing judgement.

Bit harsh Reg, he's a solid top-half L1 defender. I'd imagine he's been brought in as a left sided CB rather than a full back even though he's more of a left back by trade. Done quite well for Millwall last year

Great signing IMO. Hopefully can be made into a permanent deal. Bet Morrison will be happy, but if we can keep Frampton maybe that opens the door for Morrison to move. Ok getting ahead of myself but cracking signing none the less.

All I'm saying is let's have a look before passing judgement...he hasn't played much football in 2010.

The fact he was player of the season year before last for Milwall when they got to play off final I would say means we have a good signing on our hands.  He has played over 250 games at this level and is a leader having captained Brentford for a time as well.  

True, replacement for Greedy Cunt Greer is here!

I hope he turns out to be what we need.....just that to take the Tiler example, a player with a top pedigree before and after STFC, hadn't played much recent football and was terrible.

Fucking excellent. Well done Danny!

Millwall fans seem to think he could leave on a permanent deal to us and wouldn't cut it in the Championship

 http://www.hof.org.uk/showthread.php?t=13871

Ofcourse they also say that he may be in part exchange for Austin.... head out of the clouds I think!!!

Bye bye Morrison in January then.  Waiting with bated breath for Dave's views.....

Wouldn't be surprised to see him replace Cuthbert initially, as he's been below his normal standards last few games.

Cracking signign Danny. Just what we've been needing.

Hasn't Cuthbert been made captain in Dougie's absence? 

I can't see Scotty being dropped.

Been on loan at Orient this season, made one start. Doesn't bode well. But then I seem to remember a Mr Parkin had done fuck all before he came here. I'll wait and see how he does for us

indeed he has!!

Good signing. Wealth of experience and proven at this level.

He got injured in that game if I remember right, and went back to Millwall.

Ah, that's what you get from just picking up random facts from the BBC story without checking the background. See, Reg, facts are useless without context.

I'll still wait and see how he plays here though

I disagree....it's a fact that Frampton has played little first team football in 2010, which should be the reason for holding fire on whether he's what we need,

Neither had Greer when we signed him.

Indeed, evidence that Frampton's recent lack of matches, wont necessarily mean he'll be no good.

Did he not get player of the season as a left back.? He also went to Orient on loan as a left back.?

Whose says he's a Centre Half

On Milwalls official site it says he played as left back and centre back for them http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10367~8397,00.html.

He got player of the season for Millwall 2008-09. Fair enough he hasn't played much this year in the Champ, but he's a solid player at this level and has proved himself in the past with Millwall. Might be lacking match fitness (who knows) but seems exactly what we need right now  :beers:

I also think it's a testament to him that he's willing to go out on loan at 31. Shows he truly wants to play first team football rather than bench warm!

stfctownenda - Exactly, didn't he come on at Wembley in that position also (or is my senile 'almost 30 year old' mind deceiving me again)?

31! Fitton must have got a nose bleed signing someone that old.

Sounds like a real 'tryer', a commited defender which is fine by me!

Some Millwall fans think he'll be used as a makeweight in a deal for Austin in January, A 31 year old centre back wont take much off the price tag of a 21 year old striker who's banging them in for fun! Or at least I fucking hope it wont!

This is a GOOD thing to happen, doubt he'll start at LB considering the way Rose is playing at the mo. It'll be a tad harsh but I think he'll start in place of Morrison on Sat.

This has made today into a good day.

A very good signing, seems like a proper centre back and I am sure that he will put in solid and committed displays in a Town shirt which is something that we have needed in our defence since Greer left.

As I understand Morrison was suffering with the same virus as Prutton last Saturday but wanted to play so fair play to the lad but I would imagine that Frampton will come in for him at Yeovil.

Good to see a player with experience coming into the backline - just what we need. Sounds like a no nonsense defender.

It will be interesting to see where he will fit in seeing as he has played left back his whole career - I wonder if Wilson will drop Rose and throw Frampton in whilst Sheehan is suspended?

Well, of course you would.

Good signing, although with the possible injuries for saturday I think there is an off chance we might play him as the holding midfielder.

Still, looks a good signing on paper hopefully it turns out this way.

Wrist Slittingly negative hey!

Great signing, battler of a defender we need

Time for a 3-5-2 formation I reckon!

He has not played left back his whole career, both at Brentford and at Milwall he has had periods where he has played at centre half, more details can be found on Milwalls site http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10367~8397,00.html.

He played the 2nd half of the play off final game against us, came on at left back just before half time for Craig who was injured.  Don't remember too much about how he played (but I wasn't too sober), Milwall fans said on there forums he was very solid in the play off final so I will take there word for it.

Whats the bet we finish highest of the disciplinary table, with Frampton, Sheehan, Douglas and Prutton

At least we can celebrate being top of the league at the end of the season :D

The adver guy, Anthony Marshall, has just said on twitter that Frampton will definitely start on Saturday.

Also said he was the 'possibly the nicest man in football'! Surely couldn't have fitted in at Millwall if that's true.

Holy hell this must be a good signing!

We are not going to sign someone on loan and put him on the bench - so I think it is obvious he wil lstart, but it remains to be seen who will be dropped Cuthbert I suspect will lose out as he has not managed to reach the heights of last season as of yet so maybe a spell on the bench will do him good

Doubt it considering he is vice captain and is current covering Douglas as captain, I think Sean will be sitting out the Yeovil game.

what like Ritchie last season ?

We all know our left back cover is good (Sheehan, Rose, LFJ). Wilson brought Frampton in to start central defence, and shore up the defence.

He'll be starting, in the centre with.... Cuthbert?

Gotta be next to Cuthbert if he plays at centre half. Sean Morrison is coming on nicely but a couple of weeks sat on his arse to reflect and recuperate might do him good in the long run.

Someone planted a seed in my head earlier though, when they said that he might get a go in the centre of midfield? Douglas is highly doubtful and mystery surrounds Pruttons health post-virus which makes it slightly more creditable.

The Orient game taught us that a midget three of Ferry-McGovern-Caddis is not the way forward!! Frampton is a big lad and gets stuck in. Could be a very good signing is my first impression.

He played against us at the CG last season. Can remember thinking he was a knob as he went mental after Dougs challenge..

Most players look like knobs when playing against the mighty town though..

I am assuming he's a bit of a Joleon Lescott who can play at left back but is much better in the center..

^
He was sent off in the same match wasn't he?

He was solid at Wembley.

Yeh think so actually

Well I've never heard of the bloke and wouldn't know him if he walked up to me in the street and smacked me in the face with a wet fish. Should be a tremendous signing though.

Good stuff. Exactly the sort of signing we need. Player of the season for them in 08/09 a season where the replicated what we achieved last year so can't be that bad at this level. Remember he got sent off here in the famous Kev/Harris saga and also came on at Wembley for them.

Player of the year in a team the got to the play off final would suggest he's quite good but as Reg says, he could have turned to shit over night for no reason. We'll see  :hmmm:

sounds a very promising loan.hope it works out for us and him.
a centre forward of the same ilk please...

wonder if he will start on Saturday :hmmm:

you want a cb up front?

Welcome to STFC Andy.Good interview with him on the OS,he seems to have a good attitude
and says that he likes to be vocal in both training and out on the pitch.

I did a bit of research and i found these quotes from him,when talking about Millwall and his teamates.
These could equally apply at STFC.


“You have to be a certain type of professional to be around this football club. You find out very quickly about people, because of the nature of our training sessions. They’re full on. You get to know the ones who will pull their weight, who won’t sulk, moan, or drop their head. They see what they have to do to be accepted. It is not something we talk about.

The strongest rules are never written down. Everyone just knows. Somehow or other there is a connection between us. We have had players here who haven’t quite fitted into the group. I’m not saying they’re bad players. It is just that there are certain types we’d like to be in a team with. They’re the ones who are ready to fight for you.”

Mentally Tough!

In some Millwall book apparently he says something like this to Dave Martin: "I like you, Dave. But if I ever see you not put in 100% again, I will deck you."

He is!

Wonder if Cuthbert will move to right back

Hope not. The last time i remember him playing RB, he was bloody awful.

.......................SMITH......................
.....CUTHBERT....MORRISION.....FRAMPTON
CADDIS..............................................ROSE
..........JPM.........DOUGLAS........FERRY...........
.....................RITCHIE..........................
.................................AUSTIN.................

is dion dublin still around?

If he does start as reported he'll just replace Morrison surely? For the few suggesting dropping Cuthbert, having an experienced CB alongside him, leading the line and taking the lions share of responsibility, should bring the best out of Scotty and see him reach the levels he was at last year alongside Greer.

Agreed

Can't believe no one's said this yet...  He's pretty good on Football Manager/Fifa.

Great signing, we just needed some old fart to sit in defence and bark out tactical instructions....  he doesn't even need to play football, as long as he ups Cuthbert's game.

Not going to complain about the competition, but the wide areas are the problem not the middle, contrary to many people's beliefs about our centre back pairing.

Hmm - I don't know who I'd drop out of Morrison or Cuthbert but I know I'd definitely drop one of them and get Frampton straight in. Sounds like just the character we are missing.

Although as previously said I wouldn't be surprised to see him in midfield on Saturday if both Douglas and Prutton are still out.

I'd drop Cuthbert. Dont get me wrong he's a good player, but seems to me every goal we concede recently it bypasses him somehow. He's strong enough to sit on the bench and not take it to heart. He'd def come back stronger. Whereas dropping Morrison would be detrimental as he's been the better of the two last 6/7 games, and it would affect his confidence.

For me it has to be Morrison. Cuthbert is the steady eddy. Never been superb this season but equally (bar a few games) has never been that shite either. Morrison is the opposite extreme. Very good one week and very poor the next.

drop neither and play 3 centre backs with caddis and rose as wing backs

I'm inclined to agree with you. Manks hasn't been at his best, although he's never been the most defensive minded player and left back hasn't been claimed by anyone yet. (Rose's recent form excused.)

I think I have to type something because this won't flag off as new.

Morrison has to go - too inconsistent.

be dropped or has to leave?

Fired, into space. Probably from an enourmous trebuchet.

If you have to drop one then it would be Morrison.

As said, he's inconsistent. He's young and still learning. Problem is how is he going to get better by not playing. But there is the bigger picture to consider. We need to sort out leaking goals.

Just had a text from my Millwall supporting mate talking about Frampton - apparently a quote from him from the dressing room last season...

"Not being funny Dave but if you bottle a challenge like that again I'll fucking chin you, I promise"

Gotta love that !!!

He really does sound like just what we've been missing.

After all this hype. he'll probably be shit now.

Neil Harris in talks to come on loan aswell

Teehee.

With Manks going in the opposite direction I presume :D

Kevin Amankwaah told me at Rushy Platt kebab van last night

so morrison, who many think is worth more than £400,000 should be dropped?

It seems that way

flog him then and spend the money on a forward.
if i was morrison and dropped tomorrow,a transfer request would be on the managers desk on monday.

No disrespect and i see what your saying but the last thing we need is another kick em merchant.
Personally i dont feel he will add anything......to many sending offs this year and really for me its the lack of goal scoring rather than the leaking of goals........you will always concede goals in this lge,the trick is to score plenty...we dont.
I will be pissed off if he drops young Morrison...he has been a breath of fresh air.
When will the board and management realise that bringing in loan players isn;t the answer...it causes disruption in my opinion and for me i would like to have seen him keep the same team.....but with another striker up top with Austin.

Leaking goals is a major problem Lee, as anyone at Peterborough can testify. Morrison's got a lot of potential but isn't the finished article yet.
I disagree about loan signings as well. Where would we have been without Ferry and Ward last season?
And wasn't Gordon Greer signed initially on a months loan?

For many Morrison was the new Tony Adams after the Rovers game....then the new Gerry Adams after the Posh game..

Blatently Sean will be dropped and if i were him i would be well peed off and request to go out on loan with a big F**k you

People seem to speak about Morrison as though he is a seasoned pro, in reality he's till just a kid.

How many 19yr old's are first team, regulars? I reckon this talk of him leaving if he is dropped is nonsense.

Did he have an actor doing his voice in the post game interview?

Danny told you already ;)

I am not saying that the defence is brilliant........but if you continue with playing left and right back pushing forward as DW seems to do all the time it basicly means the two centre halfs are left alone against pace..........that way of playing you will always leak goals.
Pushing the left and right back forward is meant to be a way of creating more goals andscoring more........sadly this isn;t the case for us........in short the tactics are wrong.
If you want to stop a defence leaking goals just tell your defenders to defend..in another words a flat back four..........let the midfielders push forward,i find it bizarre at times to see our midfielders so deep while the full backs are bombing forward...especially at home.
As you rightly said Herthab loan signings can make things happen..all i am saying is bringing in someone like Frampton for just one month for me wont work......dropping one player isn't the answer.............how can you make just ONE player a scapegoat for bad all round performances.

I don't think Morrison's being made to look a scapegoat. Look, as soon as GG left everyone was saying we needed an experienced organiser to replace him. That fact has been obvious in quite a few games, stupid errors and early goals against us happening all too frequently.

Well now Wilson's got someone in that is an experienced organiser at the back, someone has to give way and for me that has to be Morrison. He's had better games than Cuthbert, but he's also had worse. What we need is a bit of consistency.

With regard to the formation, we had successes with it this season and, with the right players, it can work.

Agree with all of this.

Morrison has been excellent at times this year but we need an experienced defender to play alongside Cuthbert and get the best out of him. Doesn't mean Sean has to leave or is shit (although its more fun if we all have hissy fits and over-react about everything, I know).

Sean is still a promising CB, with a price tag to match. Why cant he be third choice CB for now, play the odd game and keep developing?

Everyone was crying about getting a CB in, and an experienced one at that. We've now done that, and people are kicking off about how unfair it is on Morrison and that we didn't really need one?

Agreed....but when Frampton toddles off in a months time we bring back Morrison?..where is the sense in that...a month in the stiffs isnt going to inspire him.
Agree with you about Greer.......and why when the board agreed to sell him they should have replaced him.
Basicly Herthab we need to buy a few quality players...its as simple as that.
For what it is worth i still feel we could get in the top six at a canter,the league is wide open and its still two months away from Xmas.

I have never said we need a centre back.........we need a couple of front players to score the goals Paynter did....for me Cuthbert and Morrison are a promising pair and need praise,not kicked in the balls when the whole team is pants......as they were v Orient.....Austin aside.

But Leefer, you can't have it both ways. You agree we should have replaced Greer, yet you think Morrison should not be dropped ?  Are you saying that Morrison is better than Cuthbert ?, because I'd have to disagree there.

I'd agree that Morrison wouldn't like it, but that's the challenge for him isn't it?  if he goes to Newcastle (regardless of the fee) he's not going to get much first team action is he ?  (Much more money, granted)

I would actually say he has been better tha Cuthbert this season

'Wall supporter here.

Just to clarify to anyone that's remotely interested. Framps will give his all in every game that he plays in.

He's not the most technically gifted or speedy player you'll see but you wont find many people that wear their heart on their sleeve like he does. He'll battle for every ball and will inspire others.

He won our player of the year award back in 08/09 due to his never say die attitude. He gave his all during that season and the fans appreciated it. At this level you're not going to get world beaters but so long as someone is willing to put themself about or the good of the team then you can't go far wrong.

With regards to the 'toddling off' comment, Framps is deemed surplus to requirements now. It's a shame as his mentality is hard to come by in modern day footballers. As such I wouldn't be surprised if he impresses Wilson, and you lot, and then Wilson puts in a cheeky £50k bid to take him off of our hands. I couldn't see us turning that down to be honest and you'd have got a bargain for a League One defender that will rarely let you down.

He'll always be welcome back at our place if and when he returns as he epitomises what most supporters want in a player at this level.

I hope he impresses and does well for you as a nicer bloke would be hard to find.

Not saying i would replace Morrison!!!!!!!!!!!

DW is going to so all i am saying is why?........he has been no worse or better than others,in fact he has had some great games...why fukin drop him?
Ball and Ritchie were shocking last week...so was Cuthbert and Manks..why Morrison the scapegoat.
If you are going to drop players as Wilson has said he is.........one month loanees is not and wont ever be the answer....your just back to square one further down the line.

Do you really think he's only going to be here a month? I'd put money on him being a Town player proper by February.

The back for has been crying out for an experienced head, we finally get it and that's still flawed in some peoples eyes. Cuthbert has more consistancy than Sean, it makes sense for Frampton to play alongside the older of the two imo.

Cuthberts the stand in captain for now so theres no chance of him sitting on the subs bench warming his very pert arse   :smugfu: 

Well it seems that DW agrees with you...........we will see,its not flawed in my eyes as you seem to be hinting.
The last thing i am saying on the subject is this.......dropping Morrison isn't the answer to the teams problems at present.
For me personally i would rather bring on a young promising player...in fact a very good player rather than dropping him..........but whos to say he will be dropped,i hope he is in the team.

Agreed

Me too

Thanks for that. So obviously he has the leadership qualities we lack, but it seems you played him most at left back, what's he like at centre half?

He was played predominantly at left back due to our first choice left back being injured for that season. Also, we had a settled CB pairing that Jacket was always reluctant to break up.

Whenever Frampton played at CB he looked more assured than he did at LB, despite playing very well for us there. As I say, he isn't the quickest player you'll ever see, but he more than makes up for that with heart and determination.

Dropping Morrison per say isnt the answer to our problems but getting an experience centre back in there with one of Morrison and Cuthbert is at least one answer to some of our problems. The defence has been an unorganized sloppy messy all season and we've conceded alot of shit goals, that in truth shouldnt have happened. Which has rather obviously cost us points.

For the most part, like you leefer - I'd rather rely on our players even if they are young (I'd certain be in favour of Thompson starting at right back tomorrow) but the fact is we dont have a young player with the leadership skills the backline misses. I dont care how long Frampton is or isnt here for, he is needed in our defence right away.

As has been said, Morrison has had better games than Cuthbert but also worse games than Cuthbert. Probably made more shockers as well.

Hopefully which every one is paired with Frampton will click along side him and perform much better. Say what you like about Cuthbert this season but he was fantastic last season, an absolute rock at the back, a consistent rock. Something Morrison has never really shown for us.

Plus, at the end of the day we need results - anyway we can get them, with whichever personnel.

Possibly Glen Campbell as well.

We should never have let Sheena go.

Let's just hope those who're bigging Frampton up, aren't, left eating Humble Pie tomorrow.

Indeed, for his debut perhaps we can have a 'Wichita linesman'

a la Shaun Taylor??

I think Leefer has gone nuts.

Loans don't work = Ward, Ferry, Greer, Cox, Darby, Sheehan, etc - it's about the quality and their desire to play.  If they have that, then it matters not.

Defence not a problem - check out the last few games and how shakey we have looked.  I'd suggest the right back slot is the most concerning, but the missing item was experience, so if that means a centre back giving way to shore up the whole lot, so be it.

Attack being our problem - how many have we scored in the last 3 games, 8 isn't it?  Doesn't strike me as a problem.  In fact, we've started the same way as last year but the wrong way around.  Last year we didn't score enough and it cost us with a few low scoring draws.  This year it's a goalscoring lottery.

Frampton seems, on the face of it, to be a good signing.  It it annoys someone that he come in and replaces them, get over it.  If he performs, he stays in, if he plays just as bad, he'll go back and that player will probably get their spot back.  Put the performances in, and nobody need worry about their place.  Austin aside, nobody is safe right now.  A few wins on the bounce and our confidence, position and season may well all look very different, so this kind of signing makes sense.  Just like Greer's did when he came in.

Alright lads, I think this is a good move as he offers good experience and has the Grear element we are missing, he will be value and can teach our younguns a thing or to i hope, don't think he will replace Morrison long term - he will be back to Millwall i think after his loan spell

HAHA those Millwall fans think they will get a deal with Austin, what was it 600k they offered last time, well it it a funny old game and anything can happen but the money would have to be better than this insult imo of course

COUR

Read the posts right then you may get your facts right.
Of course loan deals work at times.....some of our greatest players have been loan deals..Davis,Carrick,etc.
One month loan deals however.......emergency at that i frown on for the simple reason is that in one months time we are back to square one...with possibly one pissed off good prospect not willing to put pen to paper on a new deal soon.

On the face of it you say?.......hope Frampton turns into a great player for us...but if you read my posts i dont agree with him going straight into the team in front of Morrison if indeed it is Morrison who is left out.
Morrison has been one of our bright lights this season so far,put in some exellent performances for a 19 year old...........and shouldnt be dropped.

Right back has been a little ropey, so why not throw Cuthbert out there? We know he can play there, it's just the only time we've witnessed it was a day the whole team decided to be spectators.

I know someone's already said that, but by repeating it I plan to take any credit that may be due.

One month loan deals are very rarely one month loan deals. Morrison hasn't been dropped yet and last of all our defence has been crap so needed changing.

Taking the pressure off of a 19 year old player with huge potential is a fucking good move.

Bringing in a significantly older, experienced player, when goals are being shipped with alarming regularity (Peterborough will have been the final straw for Wilson and Fitton) is an equally good move.

Morrison has done very well for us, but he'll get over being dropped.

I think that's what will happen, not necessarily what I want to happen.

I think the centre back pairing has developed nicely. Would be silly to break it up. The problem this season has been too much chopping and changing, which is exactly what happened until this time last season.

If Wilson can settle on a team and formation then I don't think the inexperience will matter. We have experience all over the pitch anyway: Lucas, Amankwaah, Rose, McGovern, Prutton, Douglas. In fact the area with the least experience has to be in attack and we're getting enough goals recently.

I like this idea, Manks has to be given a break at the moment, whether he's picked up a niggle or what he's still not performing like we know he can. Anyway, I thought Caddis was supposed to be an RB??
At the moment, I dont think the defence are solely responsible for our bad results, the midfield has been all over the show (stand fast JD and Ferry), JPM isnt performing like he was, Prutts has turned out to be a bit of a cock, but most of all the line up has been inconsistent.

Sort the inconsistency out and we sort our problems out, the same line up week in and week out was a major contributing factor to our success last year.

Adver boy was saying on Twitter that he thinks Thompson will be in today at Yeovil with Caddis in midfield.

Thompson?

What is a Thompson?

Ahhhhh.

I'm a thick cunt. Hungover, yet still thick,

Wasn't Ward a one month loan initially?

The guy is making noises about a permanent deal so it suggests to me we've given him a month to prove it's worth having him here full time.

I'd rather we picked up results for the time being than pander to a player - even if that player may be young and have great future potential.  If Morrison can't handle being dropped after being part of a defence that conceeded 8 goals in 3 games, then he needs to grow up.  I doubt it will phaze him though, he seems level headed enough and the club clearly like him so I bet he has been treated well and respects the Coaching team.

thompson is in his last year of his contract.if wilson doesn't throw him in there soon he wont get another chance and will be released.
not convinced he's good enough, but we'll never know if he doesn't get an opportunity.

To add to the RB debate, doesn't Manky always have a shocker at Yeovil? Could be a good opportunity for Thompson.

I would like to point out that we can simply play 3-5-2.3 narrow centre halves defending width of 18 yard with pretty much a bank of 3 centre mids in front.give Ritchie license to roam.rose will naturally to more defensive.3 centre halves will make it difficult to score goals against us and my team would be
Lucas
Cuthbert
Morrison
Frampton
Rose
Ferry
Prutton
Jpm
Austin
Ball
Ritchie

3 5 2 would make it even easier for teams to piss on us down the flanks. Its the full backs and the midfield which have been why we're so poor at the back this season, not the center backs

Unfortunatley, it has to be Morrison whog gets dropped.

He's done well this season, but he's only 19 and hes got his whole career ahead of him but right now, we need somebody(who will hopefully) performe consistentley well.

:clap:

Not fust if that happens as we got 3 cbs defending the ball in

Surely the best way to defend balls in is to stop them?

I think the games evolved past a stage were 352 is an effective tactic. It's asking far too much of the full backs.

3,5,2 is great when you are the better side as it puts teams on the back foot.for us to play it at the moment would be suicidal though.would invite teams onto us and aint the way forward at all imo.

Morrison lodges with me uncles ex wife and wen I spoke to her 6 weeks ago she said that he thought he was  hard done by last season so Wats he gonna be like getting dropped today!

Tough shit. These things happen in football. Man up, knuckle down and prove your manager wrong.

Seems like good psychology to me.

Its also been the goalkeeper, the centre backs, the wingers and the strikers not named Charlie!

This and it's exactly what Rose has done.

I've got to agree with one of the Dave's, 352 was last at the cutting edge of football in 1998 - even Skiverton could work out how to counter it. I think the last time anyone tried using it was England away in Croatia under Maclaren...

Hats off to him...difference being is that Rose was shit and deserved to be dropped.....at the risk of getting boring not the case in Morrisons case. ;)

Yes, but we still need Frampton in our defence as our defence has been crap and we've let in too many goals and made too many mistakes, Morrison included.

yeah but morrrison is worth £10000000000000000000000000000000.
cough..

We've not yet seen Frampton play, but I think it's fair to say that Sean needs a few seasoned players like Frampton around him if he's going to develop in to the player we all think he's going to be.  This season, Greer's departure has definitely been a factor in Sean being hyped a little more than he should have been at this stage in his career.  He'll really benefit, I think, from having some of the attention deflected away.

Just seen Charlie Austin and Nick Watkins on Football Focus, by the way.  Caption when NW was talking: 'Andrew Fitton, Chairman, Swindon Town FC'.

Sean is great, I really rate him. But he played a couple of awesome matches, scored the winner vs Hudds and got one vs Rovers, gets linked to NUFC for hundreds of thousands. Then in the following games makes mistakes. He's only young and seems like a case of falling victim of his own hype.
Cuthbert is the better of the two in his all round game imo so it makes sense to me to bring Frampton in along side him.

If Morrison is really going to kick up a massive stink about it, at 19, then I question his attitude slightly. Just take it like a man and kick on. Not kick off. (Not saying he will)

Yep, thats definitely the figure we've all qutoed. Less than that and I riot.

Just remember how much we got for Tozer and Jutkiewicz

People need to take a step back and gain some perspective - we've conceded 13 in 5 league games, the defence needs addressing. Comment on Frampton when he's played, and on Morrison if and when he throws his toys out the pram. We've lacked consistency so far, hopefully an experienced head will rectify that.

At 19, Sean should be pleased that he's had a run in the team and made his mark. He should also be a bit relieved that the Club has brought in an experienced head when the team is going through a bit of a sticky patch defensively to take some of the pressure off.

He'll gain the experience he needs to iron off the rough edges of his game through playing, not sitting on the bench at a Championship or Premier League club and he will get more games here in the long run, even if he does have to make way for a bit now.

I have really high hopes that Frampton will provide what we need defensively and that we will sign him up in January. Fingers crossed that he doesn't turn out to be a bit shit.

So how was Frampton today?

 More to the point great goal by Morrison :D.....another important one at that.

Was told by a friend that Frampton looked a bit shaky but has a touch of class about him...an ok debut...for all my misgivings i really hope he helps us......but leaking three on debut isn't a great start.

We should play Morrison upfront with Charlie!!

Was vocal but got done for pace a couple of times, not his fault if he's slow but he will only get better when he plays more matches for us. I like the look of him, is what we need.

I know he has been poor recently but we missed Amankwaahs pace at the back, and Cuthbert is no right back.

The thing about RB is I would have put Caddis there ahead of Cuthbert but as JP was off form going into the game I think it was the right choice to drop him to the bench and play Caddis at RM so who do you play at RB? As Wilson said Thompson would have made the inclusion of Frampton pretty pointless in terms of the experience factor. So he went with Cuthbert. Hopefully JP's goal has done him the world of good and i'd probably start him on Tuesday at RM with Caddis at RB and Cuthbert moving back to CB.

Agree...for whatever reason we are missing JP's magic so far this season......probably the reason he does not play at a higher level..when he is good..he is the bollox...when bad he is bad.
Its all gone quite on the Ritchie front as well......he was a world beater v the Gas,two matches on and its the same old story.

Relegation battles are fun ,right?

Better than mid-table mediocrity, at least there's something to play for...

any news on how long hes guna be out for??

Going for tests to assess the extent of the injury according to the Adver

He wont be back

Oh well, there goes our saviour!

So more Carl Tiler than Gordon Greer...

One month loan deals never work out...just fucks the team up. :soapy tit wank:

So this season he has been on the books of 3 clubs, played for 2, and lasted less than a game and a half.

Hope he comes good - listening to him, sounded just what we need.

Dave Mackay used to say that when he was Town manager.

More often than not though they lead to longer loan deals...

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/8707515.Frampton_to_stay_another_month/

Bringing him back for another month, which we were able to do as he is an existing loanee.

Good news, bit concerned about his lack of fitness/match practice mind.

Thank the lord, we are saved!  ::)

But as DW says, his calming presence could be important within the squad, even if he doesn't get to play much.

Can't do any worse than those in posetion already - so that means that Cuthbert will be back to playing right back just to keep him in the team

he has to drop sean at some stage.

Guy plays one game for us and gets slagged offf... COuld be a great leader we dont know. millwall fans certainly seem to rate him at this level.

  :D
Not slagging the player gaz. Just mocking the solution to our problems. An unmatch fit, injury prone 1 month loanee.

If it works, then brilliant. Let's see shall we.

Gordon Greer was hardly a bill of health when he arrived???

My biggest issue with the current selection policy. Just drop Morrison if you want Frampton, play Cuthbert at CB and Caddis at RB!

I think Danny's comments are to pre-warn people that Andy isn't just going to come in and "save us" given his injury, but his influece is going to be invaluable to us imo.

Certainly won't do any harm to bring him in, and hopefully he'll get fit and be able to play for us.

Will be very handy when we draw Chelsea at home in the 4th round  :beers:

This weekend i tried to do a bit of scouting of the Doncaster squad, as they stayed in the same hotel i did. Me and my mate ended up getting fucking lashed with their GK Coach (Lee Butler) and the kitman in the bar at midnight whilst watching the Ashes.

We chatted about Greer and they were saying he had bad luck up there and it was a shame they got rid of him. They asked why we sold him, i explained that he hadnt been offered a new contract etc and they thought it was bizarre!

I did ask if they had any centre backs we could nick off them, but they said they needed some themselves.

We had a good old natter about Charlie boy, they think he is top quality, but there is no way in hell they could buy him. At the moment they have David Healy on loan and they were saying they wouldnt be able to get him on a permanent deal due to his current wages (they reckon just under 20k a week! - i know its fucking mental)

Oh, and Neil Sullivan is fucking huge.

They also call Sean O'Driscoll, Sean O'Dismal

Your forgetting snowed in!

At this rate his loan will be up again before he's even played.  Completely pointless.

My main concern is that the fans are holding out hope that a player who has spent a large majority of his playing career at left back will be the perfect centre back.

We need another Greer in defence, someone with authority.

I know what we need. Just saying that fans expectations are often way off the mark:

Pericard
Dossevi
Prutton
Caddis

All players everyone were excited and happy about when we signed them. I think all of them can be decent, but they've not influenced or transformed the team for the better thus far.

everyone? I dont think Pericard has ever excited me.

Frampton (if he actually plays) is a step in the right direction. He's at least experienced and seems to have a tough attitude going on some of his quotes. However, he's still (at this moment in time) a short term solution - which is really no help what so ever.

You knew what I meant Dave.

How's O'Brien doing in the reserves?

Quite well from what I've seen, his injury's are a definate problem though