Let's Get Political!

[Saxondale]

There's an element of our fanbase who hold totally wrong headed, blundering, idiotic, nasty (to me) views.  But Im not going to stop supporting STFC because of it.  For the same reason, if there is 0.1% or even 4% that have shitty views in the labour party membership then Im not going to stop supporting it.  

Ultimately to me they are the party who care more about those of us who live off work not those who live off wealth.  So fuck the muck racking right wing media.

 

[Flashheart]

*Edit

Meh! Not doing this again today --- too much work to do.

[horlock07]

Ultimately to me they are the party who care more about those of us who live off work not those who live off wealth.  So fuck the muck racking right wing media.

 

The whole thing is pretty meh to be honest, those who read said media outlets are never likely to vote Labour whatever is said so its really just preaching to the converted (or perverted).

This was quite an interesting read on welfare within the party promises, https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/the-shifting-shape-of-social-security/ TL:DR there is a summary of the key facts at the bottom.

The slightly peculiar thing is the £12bn that Labour seem to be setting aside for the pensions thing, which seems to be a thinly veiled reached for Daily Mail/Express readers, which is not going to do a great deal for the poorer sectors of society.

[horlock07]

Could be an interesting day after all, Corbyn has revealled he has 450 pages of uncensored US-UK trade talks over opening the NHS to  private healthcare, together with reduced food standards and corporate courts (replacing ECJ with American judges).

Popcorn at the ready....

[Reg Smeeton]

Could be an interesting day after all, Corbyn has revealled he has 450 pages of uncensored US-UK trade talks over opening the NHS to  private healthcare, together with reduced food standards and corporate courts (replacing ECJ with American judges).

Popcorn at the ready....

Apparently... there is to be no mention of climate change in any deal.  I suppose no surprise then that Johnson has refused to appear on the C4 Leaders debate on the subject.

[Flashheart]

Corbyn drops a bombshell on the tories using actual evidence rather than opinion and unsubstantiated claims.

[Reg Smeeton]

Corbyn drops a bombshell on the tories using actual evidence rather than opinion and unsubstantiated claims.

Unfortunately, aligning more closely with Trump and the US is what many people want, so although this backs up claims about what we can expect on Brexit, the real question is how far can it go?   

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Who wants it? Has there been a poll on that? Define ‘many people’

[Saxondale]

And interestingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, it's not become the main headline story on the BBC news page yet where the death of Gary Rhodes has been replaced by the SNP manifesto launch.

[REDBUCK]

And repeat, Yawn.

[Red Frog]

Saw a phrase from an article today that struck a chord: "It is dishonest to depict Brexit as a chore when it is closer to a revolution."

I think that's right. So this is how the British do revolutions. Break away from a global trading power to go it alone, tank sterling and the economy, split the country and the 300-year union, throw away 20 years of détente in Ireland, throw yourselves to the mercy of US negotiators, Russian oligarchs and hedge-fund managers.

And most voters will just shrug and agree "let's get Brexit done". Fuck my life, England, you've walked right into this.

[Flashheart]

Rather a lot of commentators on social media, including some journalists and editors, seem to be more aggrieved that 'secret' documents have been leaked than the content of the leak itself.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

‘Sky's economics editor Ed Conway said the documents do not, at first reading, "contain any smoking guns".’

Damp squid? (sic)

[Reg Smeeton]

Who wants it? Has there been a poll on that? Define ‘many people’

It's axiomatic, you can't leave the globe's second largest trading bloc and not replace it with something of similar size.... and for Brexiteers that's not China but the US.

It's why back in 2016 Cameron wheeled out Obama to pronounce UK would be back of the queue, whereas Trump is all for it as long as the UK leaves with no deal.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

I think you’re crediting the (slight) majority of the British voting public too much.

They only saw leaving the EU - period.