Let's Get Political!

[pauld]

Genuine question, until Brexit is sorted what can Labour do?

a) Get off the fence and provide a clear answer as to what they think we should do
b) Stop navel-gazing as hostage to Corbyn's student posturings from 40-odd years ago
c) Generally act like a grown-up political party

[RobertT]

Be afraid, be very afraid.  Healthcare is a mess over here.  Most people don't think so, because they are currently healthy, conveniently forgetting everyone dies eventually.  Drug pricing is a huge issue over here, alongside the culture of suing - so Doctor's have to indemnify themselves.

[Sir red ken]

Don’t think I’d fancy being given a bed bath by the snarling harpy of a nurse giving that fella grief for supporting Trump.

Fucking witch.

she's the kinder socialist type. They even beat an OAP down to the ground. Lovely people those commies

[chalkies_shorts]

Genuine question, until Brexit is sorted what can Labour do? They wouldn't get a majority in another election, seems like all they can do is shout about how shit the tories are until the tide turns in their favour.

Get rid of Corbyn and make the tide turn in their favour. He's a total dickhead and unelectable. In fact actually get someone who can lead not dither and let his party decide different policies in front of the camera.

[Balthazar Impresario]

a) Get off the fence and provide a clear answer as to what they think we should do
b) Stop navel-gazing as hostage to Corbyn's student posturings from 40-odd years ago
c) Generally act like a grown-up political party

A) other than brexit, they do provide answers to prevent more Tory laws giving the working class a kick in
B) Corbyn is a useless politician, but is liked by working  classes. Admittedly his dithering on Brexit has fucked this up slightly
C) both main parties have been child like my whole adult life, hence why I vote Green

[Balthazar Impresario]

Get rid of Corbyn and make the tide turn in their favour. He's a total dickhead and unelectable. In fact actually get someone who can lead not dither and let his party decide different policies in front of the camera.

They tried and failed due to his popularity at the time with voters, unsure if Labour can try again now Corbyn has fucked up the Brexit stance?

[Sir red ken]

A) other than brexit, they do provide answers to prevent more Tory laws giving the working class a kick in.
Like buying their council houses and reducing immigration to improve job opps and increase pay.
B) Corbyn is a useless politician, but is liked by working  classes. Admittedly his dithering on Brexit has fucked this up slightly.
Corbyn knows nothing about being working class he's never had a job outside of politics.He can't nationalise a fucking thing while we're in the eu. No state ownership remember,
C) both main parties have been child like my whole adult life, hence why I vote Green
The green party are another communist front party they want the limo while you ride the bike.
Glad I out that straight for you.

[Sir red ken]

Why not let the remoaners pay and the leavers get off without deduction.

Britain’s bill is projected to skyrocket from £12.6 billion this year to £13.6 billion in 2020, according to official draft European Commission figures. The figures unveiled by high-ranking Commission officials are for its draft 2020 budget proposals. They show Britain's total national contribution rising dramatically, even after the £4.7bn rebate has been deducted.

[RobertT]

About 1/3 the amount spend on debt interest alone.

So, if you had an area of Government you'd want fixed, which would be first on the list?

A better question you might want to consider is "what did the Roman's ever do for us? - what is the net benefit of being in the EU - so, we get a rebate, plus we get actual spending in the UK from EU funds.  On top of that we have pretty much zero trade barriers and not tariff's to pay - creating opportunities in import and export markets.  Add on top areas of Regulation that some would argue have benefited the UK - minimum wage, maximum working hours etc.  I appreciate that last one may not be a benefit some would be happy with, but MOST are.

Then you take the deficit - the cost to be a member, the fact you have to enable free movement of people (I include this because enough people in the UK consider this to be a downside, regardless of my own personal view), regulations in areas that people don't see as a benefit (no bendy banana's please), big areas of concern such as the CAP (whatever the good intentions of this, protecting food sources, it clearly went bad quite quickly is probably the single biggest rod to poke the EU with when it comes to corruption/waste).

Throwing around a headline number advances discussion little.

Anyway, we'll soon be spending that money on a USA Healthcare system, no?

[Sir red ken]

About 1/3 the amount spend on debt interest alone.

So, if you had an area of Government you'd want fixed, which would be first on the list?

A better question you might want to consider is "what did the Roman's ever do for us? - what is the net benefit of being in the EU - so, we get a rebate, plus we get actual spending in the UK from EU funds.  On top of that we have pretty much zero trade barriers and not tariff's to pay - creating opportunities in import and export markets.  Add on top areas of Regulation that some would argue have benefited the UK - minimum wage, maximum working hours etc.  I appreciate that last one may not be a benefit some would be happy with, but MOST are.

Then you take the deficit - the cost to be a member, the fact you have to enable free movement of people (I include this because enough people in the UK consider this to be a downside, regardless of my own personal view), regulations in areas that people don't see as a benefit (no bendy banana's please), big areas of concern such as the CAP (whatever the good intentions of this, protecting food sources, it clearly went bad quite quickly is probably the single biggest rod to poke the EU with when it comes to corruption/waste).

Throwing around a headline number advances discussion little.

Anyway, we'll soon be spending that money on a USA Healthcare system, no?
Finished that post with ptoject fear and forgot bleached chicken.

[Reg Smeeton]

About 1/3 the amount spend on debt interest alone.

So, if you had an area of Government you'd want fixed, which would be first on the list?

A better question you might want to consider is "what did the Roman's ever do for us? - what is the net benefit of being in the EU - so, we get a rebate, plus we get actual spending in the UK from EU funds.  On top of that we have pretty much zero trade barriers and not tariff's to pay - creating opportunities in import and export markets.  Add on top areas of Regulation that some would argue have benefited the UK - minimum wage, maximum working hours etc.  I appreciate that last one may not be a benefit some would be happy with, but MOST are.

Then you take the deficit - the cost to be a member, the fact you have to enable free movement of people (I include this because enough people in the UK consider this to be a downside, regardless of my own personal view), regulations in areas that people don't see as a benefit (no bendy banana's please), big areas of concern such as the CAP (whatever the good intentions of this, protecting food sources, it clearly went bad quite quickly is probably the single biggest rod to poke the EU with when it comes to corruption/waste).

Throwing around a headline number advances discussion little.

Anyway, we'll soon be spending that money on a USA Healthcare system, no?

Little point in asking questions of our resident Brexiteers that require a sensible answer, it's been 3 years now since the Ref and I'm still waiting to hear in what way we will benefit especially from no deal Brexit.

[pauld]

Good to see our resident Russian bot still hasn't worked out how to use the quote function. Back to GRU HQ for an upgrade.

[Abrahammer]

Or worked how to provide a proper answer, based on facts, to a question as opposed to using media soundbites

[pauld]

Or worked how to provide a proper answer, based on facts, to a question as opposed to using media soundbites

That's all the algorithm is programmed to do. Don't blame the bot, blame the programmers

[Bob's Orange]

Good to see our resident Russian bot still hasn't worked out how to use the quote function. Back to GRU HQ for an upgrade.

I questioned this before. He does it on purpose apparently.