Let's Get Political!

[StfcRusty]

We won 2-0

Didn’t realise you were Danish

[pauld]

Shambles:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/change-uk-poised-to-lose-at-least-half-its-mps-heidi-allen-chuka-umunna-lib-dems

[Batch]

Shambles:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/change-uk-poised-to-lose-at-least-half-its-mps-heidi-allen-chuka-umunna-lib-dems

Over before it began. Shame really as a party of real change would have been good. Never really started being anything like that though.

[horlock07]

Shambles:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/change-uk-poised-to-lose-at-least-half-its-mps-heidi-allen-chuka-umunna-lib-dems

Some would say shambles, some would say at least from an electoral POV common sense.....

[horlock07]

Over before it began. Shame really as a party of real change would have been good. Never really started being anything like that though.

Thing is there was very little in terms of political objectives to differentiate between the two and the LD's have all the background infrastructure in place already to manage a membership run campaigns etc etc.

As it stood it was just another party to split the centre vote, as the EU results showed the political leanings of the electorate have not changed a great deal (despite the best spinning attempts), Newkip and the Tories will be fighting over the rump of UKIP and the Tory vote, Labour vote is dropping generally so makes sense to me to reduce competition in a congested field.

Probably also part achieved an objective in that it appears to have focused many Labour minds that Corbyn is not invincible and dissenters can and will leave.

[Abrahammer]

Yep, would make absolute sense

[chalkies_shorts]

If only there was a party that could set up effectively in a few weeks.

[horlock07]

If only there was a party that could set up effectively in a few weeks.

I assume you mean Newkip?

If that is the case it is not a party, as it stands its a Ltd Company and thus has had not had to go through many of the hoops parties have to go through to build infrastructure, further enhanced by fact that as you cannot actually join the party there is no membership to manage nor associated administration issues.

Ultimately getting a copy of the electoral register, printing and posting out some leaflets is comparatively easy. Add to this a daily PPB on the BBC from the day of incorporation and its really rather different.

[pauld]

I assume you mean Newkip?

If that is the case it is not a party, as it stands its a Ltd Company and thus has had not had to go through many of the hoops parties have to go through to build infrastructure, further enhanced by fact that as you cannot actually join the party there is no membership to manage nor associated administration issues.

Given the hooting about democracy from its leader and many of its adherents, the fact that the Brexit Party is itself in no way democratic is ironic, but not surprising. Like all of Nigel's "values", democracy is something he spouts when it suits his argument and brushes aside when it doesn't

[pauld]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-03/trump-visit-uk-why-the-president-loves-brexit-so-much

[Reg Smeeton]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-03/trump-visit-uk-why-the-president-loves-brexit-so-much

TBF... our resident Brexiteers were probably voting for extra cash for the NHS, as Johnson promised, just they probably didn't realise they'd have to pay for it, after via US insurance companies, have had their cut.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Don’t think I’d fancy being given a bed bath by the snarling harpy of a nurse giving that fella grief for supporting Trump.

Fucking witch.

[pauld]

TBF... our resident Brexiteers were probably voting for extra cash for the NHS, as Johnson promised, just they probably didn't realise they'd have to pay for it, after via US insurance companies, have had their cut.

Not just US insurance companies, it's no coincidence that Nigel "We're probably going to have to replace the NHS" Farage's major funder is Arron Banks who made his initial money in insurance (before he started making money from Russian diamond mines). And it's not just insurance - there was a very interesting discussion on the radio this morning with a former UK trade negotiator who pointed out that US pharma companies would be very interested in getting "access" to the NHS to stop NIICE et al setting maximum prices the NHS will pay for their proprietary drugs - if they get away with that, the costs to the NHS will go through the roof.

[Flashheart]

This is what happens when there's a weak opposition that can't keep the nasty party in check.

[Balthazar Impresario]

This is what happens when there's a weak opposition that can't keep the nasty party in check.

Genuine question, until Brexit is sorted what can Labour do? They wouldn't get a majority in another election, seems like all they can do is shout about how shit the tories are until the tide turns in their favour.