Let's Get Political!

[pauld]

Doesn’t make it fair. Remain spent way more than leave and no more transparency where that come from either

Another myth - there's a detailed breakdown of what each side spent and where it came from here:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/campaign-spending-and-donations-at-referendums/campaign-spending-at-the-eu-referendum

Where there wasn't transparency was Leave.EU (Farage/Banks) getting 6m quid of Russian money laundered through Banks' businesses and Vote Leave channelling additional funds through shell campaigns (which is what they were prosecuted for). You're right that Remain spent more, but wrong about the transparency.

[Outletred]

Another myth - there's a detailed breakdown of what each side spent and where it came from here:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/campaign-spending-and-donations-at-referendums/campaign-spending-at-the-eu-referendum

Where there wasn't transparency was Leave.EU (Farage/Banks) getting 6m quid of Russian money laundered through Banks' businesses and Vote Leave channelling additional funds through shell campaigns (which is what they were prosecuted for). You're right that Remain spent more, but wrong about the transparency.

Oh Russia again- do grow up. Absolutely nothing has been proven that’s Russia had anything to do with it.

My original point stands. Taxpayers money should not have been spent supporting either remain or leave  side it’s just wrong

[Bogus Dave]

Why shouldn’t the government spend its own money promoting its own stated position?

[Reg Smeeton]

My original point stands. Taxpayers money should not have been spent supporting either remain or leave  side it’s just wrong

It's an interesting point which at the time I felt shouldn't have happened, but on reflection a government has a duty to govern and so as a Government generally commited to membership of the EU, did have a responsibilty to explain to people that voting out would make them poorer.

[Outletred]

It's an interesting point which at the time I felt shouldn't have happened, but on reflection a government has a duty to govern and so as a Government generally commited to membership of the EU, did have a responsibilty to explain to people that voting out would make them poorer.

It probably won’t though- most of the scare stories have all been proven wrong- we had the same when we didn’t join the euro- everyone predicted Armageddon then.

Try selling the EU institution to the 40% unemployed youth in Spain, Italy, Greece.

I don’t have a problem with European people or the countries, it’s the EU institution I hate- it’s undemocratic and doesn’t represent the people- it’s just a gravy train for Individuals. Why do you think they’ve made it so hard for us? They aren’t interested in a mutually good deal only about keeping their club together

[Saxondale]

And you clearly think that those trying to get us out of the EU are doing it for benign, pure motives.  For the record Im not totally convinced of the European project. 

But I will say it again and again.  17m voted to get out - there were illegalities in that.  16m voted to stay in.

14m didnt know.  I do not consider that a mandate to spend 3 years shouting about the will of the people as if the only people who matter are those 17m.

[Reg Smeeton]

It probably won’t though- most of the scare stories have all been proven wrong- we had the same when we didn’t join the euro- everyone predicted Armageddon then.

We haven't left yet....

[Ardiles]

17m voted to get out - there were illegalities in that.  16m voted to stay in.

14m didnt know.  I do not consider that a mandate to spend 3 years shouting about the will of the people as if the only people who matter are those 17m.

Well put.  The 'will of the people' line is designed to create the impression that there is a clear and unambiguous bias across the adult population for leaving the EU, and there is nothing of the sort.  Replace 'will of the people' with 'will of 52% of the people 3 years ago' and you'd be closer to the mark.

The country has been horribly split on this since day one.  Neither side has a clear margin, which is why reaching a leave solution involving some form of consensus has to be the way forward.  In any other European country, rival political parties are used to doing this...and they would have started this in 2016.  Our FPTP, adversarial, tribal system is very much to blame for the mess.

[Reg Smeeton]

Our FPTP, adversarial, tribal system is very much to blame for the mess.

 It isn't... the reason for the mess is unequivocally at the door of the Tory party.

[Sir red ken]

Well put.  The 'will of the people' line is designed to create the impression that there is a clear and unambiguous bias across the adult population for leaving the EU, and there is nothing of the sort.  Replace 'will of the people' with 'will of 52% of the people 3 years ago' and you'd be closer to the mark.

The country has been horribly split on this since day one.  Neither side has a clear margin, which is why reaching a leave solution involving some form of consensus has to be the way forward.  In any other European country, rival political parties are used to doing this...and they would have started this in 2016.  Our FPTP, adversarial, tribal system is very much to blame for the mess.

You can blame the remianers for the mess, they refuse to go along with the democratic decision.
If they'd won that result would have been final for ever. Typical socialists hypocrities, who bang on about democracy so long as its the result they want. Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday.  

[pauld]

My original point stands. Taxpayers money should not have been spent supporting either remain or leave  side it’s just wrong

Agree with you there, my point was in response to your claim about the equal lack of transparency for both sides, which was untrue

[Ardiles]

You can blame the remianers for the mess, they refuse to go along with the democratic decision.
If they'd won that result would have been final for ever. Typical socialists hypocrities, who bang on about democracy so long as its the result they want. Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday. 

Ken, you voted for this nonsense.  I wanted nothing to do with it, and voted against.

This is your Brexit, not mine.  Time you started to own the mess that you caused.

[RedRag]

You can blame the remianers for the mess, they refuse to go along with the democratic decision.
If they'd won that result would have been final for ever. Typical socialists hypocrities, who bang on about democracy so long as its the result they want. Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday.  

didn't know there were that many white men still left in the UK, SRK.  Mustn't grumble, eh?

[pauld]

Instead we are now heading into dangerious waters as shown by the 2 million protesters yesterday.  

Erm, if you mean the Brexit demos fronted by Farage and Tommy the Nazi, there was about 3-4,000 according to the Standard:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/police-braced-for-numerous-probrexit-protests-in-london-including-ukip-and-tommy-robinson-protest-in-a4104116.html
The Mail and BBC don't give figures but talk about "thousands" (i.e. less than 20,000 or the Mail would have said tens of thousands):
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6863863/Dozens-Brexit-voters-celebrate-tonight-UK-not-quitting-EU.html

I know facts and numbers and stuff aren't your strong point, but this is ludicrous even for you?

[RedRag]

It probably won’t though- most of the scare stories have all been proven wrong- we had the same when we didn’t join the euro- everyone predicted Armageddon then.

Euro scare stories?  

The odious, smirking MEP pension scrounger from Sevenoaks Public School (with an attendance record worse than some of our worst democratically ennobled Lords) insulted the Euro Parliament on the marking of the 10th anniversary of the Euro.   Classlessly laughing that the currency would be dead before another 10 years was out.  

More Brexitist Project Fear.

Even Diane Abbott could  count the 11 years that followed.