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« Reply #1665 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 09:42:45 » |
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Well I'm totally underwhelmed by the Remain campaign. All they do is produce scare stories after scare stories. At no point have they said 'This is the reason/s to Remain...'
At the moment, Leave have all the momentum. People can see Cameron is a busted flush, and they do not believe anything he says on the issue, as proved by the Sky debate last week, where the audience was laughing at him. Anytime he has been challenged on TV in the last week, he has been a disaster.
Really? Seems the opposite to me. Both sides have been scaremongering but Remain have produced plenty of reasons... Unless you're including that in the scaremongering. I fucking hate agreeing with Cameron too. It's almost a shame that he seems to be the figurehead. Either way, neither side is coming out of this well. The most persuasive arguments I've seen so far come out of industry, particularly the tech industry (which I work in). |
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« Reply #1666 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 10:34:48 » |
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As our Prime Minister i would like to hear what his intentions are if the majority vote to leave. I have heard all the arguments now and have more or less made my mind up. I am just concerned that Cameron has been concentrating on telling us what will happen if we leave instead of letting us know what he will do if we do leave.
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« Reply #1667 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 10:50:44 » |
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Really? Seems the opposite to me. Both sides have been scaremongering but Remain have produced plenty of reasons... Unless you're including that in the scaremongering.
I fucking hate agreeing with Cameron too. It's almost a shame that he seems to be the figurehead. Either way, neither side is coming out of this well. The most persuasive arguments I've seen so far come out of industry, particularly the tech industry (which I work in).
At least the remain side seems to have some evidential base, each time brexit make a big statement it is quickly identified by those who know about the subject to be absolute baseless rubbish (see £350m to the EU as an example). I wish Cameron and Osborne would just keep out of it as it seems to be morphing into a referendum on Cameron's leadership to many which is not really the issue but is being used by brexit to provoke rows which then allows people to get angry about Cameron. |
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« Reply #1668 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 10:52:52 » |
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As our Prime Minister i would like to hear what his intentions are if the majority vote to leave. I have heard all the arguments now and have more or less made my mind up. I am just concerned that Cameron has been concentrating on telling us what will happen if we leave instead of letting us know what he will do if we do leave.
I don't think he will be PM for much longer if we leave. |
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« Reply #1669 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 10:53:47 » |
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I don't think he will be PM for much longer if we leave.
Yes, we're going to have Gove, Johnson and IDS spending loads of extra money on public services apparently. I for one completely believe that they've suddenly become big state socialists... |
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« Reply #1670 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 10:53:54 » |
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As our Prime Minister i would like to hear what his intentions are if the majority vote to leave. I have heard all the arguments now and have more or less made my mind up. I am just concerned that Cameron has been concentrating on telling us what will happen if we leave instead of letting us know what he will do if we do leave.
As he has staked everything on a remain outcome he will have to go, he will be a lame duck stabbed by many of his MP's and not sharing the opinions of the majority of the electorate, can you just image the first PMQ's afterwards? In terms of succession I cannot see beyond a Osborne v. Johnson spat and as Osborne is tarred with the same brush it looks a shoe in for Boris who will have led the successful campaign, leading to a cabinet including Boris, Gove, IDS and possibly Farage to try and get us a good deal out of Europe.... |
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« Reply #1671 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:01:52 » |
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He should be saying this then. The whole outcome is more than just a EU issue if these are the knock on effects.
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« Reply #1672 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:04:31 » |
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As he has staked everything on a remain outcome he will have to go, he will be a lame duck stabbed by many of his MP's and not sharing the opinions of the majority of the electorate, can you just image the first PMQ's afterwards?
In terms of succession I cannot see beyond a Osborne v. Johnson spat and as Osborne is tarred with the same brush it looks a shoe in for Boris who will have led the successful campaign, leading to a cabinet including Boris, Gove, IDS and possibly Farage to try and get us a good deal out of Europe....
This is my entire issue with this. We are being forced to have a referendum which I dont think we have been given any decent facts about purely so these cunts can play political empire building. That nightmare line up of Boris, IDS and Gove is terrifying. |
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« Reply #1673 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:05:41 » |
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That nightmare line up of Boris, IDS and Gove is terrifying. Just wait for Lord Farage of Bromley... Quite seriously if Brexit happens I can see UKIP folding into the Conservative Party (as they'd then basically agree on most issues) and maybe some of the wetter Tories breaking away to form a centrist party of a sort. Could be fairly seismic on the political landscape. Worryingly the UKIP/Conservative uber party would pretty much dominate politics in England. Anyone know any good jobs going in Scotland? I think I'd take my chances with Sturgeon... |
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« Reply #1674 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:15:14 » |
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As he has staked everything on a remain outcome he will have to go, he will be a lame duck stabbed by many of his MP's and not sharing the opinions of the majority of the electorate, can you just image the first PMQ's afterwards?
In terms of succession I cannot see beyond a Osborne v. Johnson spat and as Osborne is tarred with the same brush it looks a shoe in for Boris who will have led the successful campaign, leading to a cabinet including Boris, Gove, IDS and possibly Farage to try and get us a good deal out of Europe....
He is leaving anyway, but could be a lame-duck PM even if he wins... the number of Tory MPs backing Brexit far exceeds his narrow majority. Osborne is, seemingly, very unpopular within his own party too, so perhaps not a shoe-in if Remain wins. After months and months of this government doing nothing at all, they may well be unable to do anything after the referendum either. |
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« Reply #1675 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:21:52 » |
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Teresa May is playing a great game to be next leader of the Tories, playing a "long ball" game and keeping her powder dry. A Brexiter siding with Remain in the quietest possible way.
I really don't get all the Farage hate. He's been pretty reasonable compared to some. You can actually like Europe but hate the EU. Its not that difficult.
Boris, IDS and Gove may be worrying but my guess is that they will not lead the Tories even if we do Brexit ( Teresa May ) and are they more worrying than Junker or any other unelected person.
I admire the idealists that suggest its better to be in than out on the basis you have a chance to reform the EU. Unfortunately, the EU have shown remarkable arrogance in that they know whats better for us and will plough on regardless because they know best.
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« Reply #1676 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:37:05 » |
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Just wait for Lord Farage of Bromley...
Quite seriously if Brexit happens I can see UKIP folding into the Conservative Party (as they'd then basically agree on most issues) and maybe some of the wetter Tories breaking away to form a centrist party of a sort. Could be fairly seismic on the political landscape. Worryingly the UKIP/Conservative uber party would pretty much dominate politics in England.
Anyone know any good jobs going in Scotland? I think I'd take my chances with Sturgeon...
You may joke, but if Nigel gets what he has been banging on about for years and Boris gets the top job off the back of it Nige is going to want something in return... Foreign Secretary?? |
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« Reply #1677 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:45:54 » |
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I left again 12 months later. Never engaged with it after joining.
Wasn't just me then, there didn't seem to be any coherent plan to actually do anything or move forward, they had just retrenched to a small protest party like the Greens. |
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« Reply #1678 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 11:48:32 » |
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Just wait for Lord Farage of Bromley...
Quite seriously if Brexit happens I can see UKIP folding into the Conservative Party (as they'd then basically agree on most issues) and maybe some of the wetter Tories breaking away to form a centrist party of a sort. Could be fairly seismic on the political landscape. Worryingly the UKIP/Conservative uber party would pretty much dominate politics in England.
Anyone know any good jobs going in Scotland? I think I'd take my chances with Sturgeon...
As a wise bloke (well me actually) said 2-3 pages back we could have a 5 horse race come the next election which could be sooner than you think as either way (Cameron stays or goes) there will be enough pissed off members with the Labour Party to achieve a vote of no confidence and thus force an election? A Johnson v. Corbyn fight could be interesting viewing.... |
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« Reply #1679 on: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 12:35:55 » |
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Just wait for Lord Farage of Bromley...
Quite seriously if Brexit happens I can see UKIP folding into the Conservative Party (as they'd then basically agree on most issues) and maybe some of the wetter Tories breaking away to form a centrist party of a sort. Could be fairly seismic on the political landscape. Worryingly the UKIP/Conservative uber party would pretty much dominate politics in England.
Anyone know any good jobs going in Scotland? I think I'd take my chances with Sturgeon...
House prices are dirt cheap up there at the moment to be fair! |
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