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« Reply #1425 on: Thursday, April 7, 2016, 23:07:37 »

Privatisation of the railways hasn't worked. As well as paying extortionate prices to use trains the British taxpayer is still funding them via their taxes. All this whilst fat cats take their cream of course.
With a growing population and gridlocked roads we need a public railway service more than ever. This should be for the benefit of its users only and not for profit in my opinion.
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« Reply #1426 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 00:23:49 »

Transparent or not he'll be nigh on 70 by the next election.

Churchill was 77 when he won in 1951.

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« Reply #1427 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 07:13:56 »

Well this has all been kept rather quiet......

https://www.byline.com/column/51/article/950
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« Reply #1428 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 07:14:57 »

Churchill was 77 when he won in 1951.
Churchill v. Corbyn is an interesting comparison.....
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« Reply #1429 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 07:23:49 »

Transparent or not he'll be nigh on 70 by the next election and I just don't see how his policies such as getting rid of our nuclear deterrent can be considered a good idea. Anyone whose policies also include renationalising the railway really has screw loose, the railways about 30 years behind the times because of British Rails management of it!

Sorry to pick on you but more than 60% of the populace disagree with you on nationalisation of rail.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/11/why-do-people-support-rail-nationalisation/
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« Reply #1430 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 07:24:55 »

Privatisation of the railways hasn't worked. As well as paying extortionate prices to use trains the British taxpayer is still funding them via their taxes. All this whilst fat cats take their cream of course.
With a growing population and gridlocked roads we need a public railway service more than ever. This should be for the benefit of its users only and not for profit in my opinion.
But nationalisation didn't work before that, as shown by the shambles and underinvestment inherited on privatisation....

What it needs is almost moving to a 'not for profit' commercial structure led by management with private sector experience to allow it to be run on commercial grounds avoiding the wastage and inefficiently which always characterised nationalised industries. (Speaking as someone who has worked in two areas if the public sector both locally then nationally)
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« Reply #1431 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:14:13 »

Well this has all been kept rather quiet......

https://www.byline.com/column/51/article/950

Interesting, and curious as you say as to why nothing has come out in the mainstream national media. I wonder what's holding them back...
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« Reply #1432 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:18:33 »

The way that his PR team have handled this is a complete farce, but Cameron's really done nothing wrong.
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« Reply #1433 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:22:00 »

The way that his PR team have handled this is a complete farce, but Cameron's really done nothing wrong.

Well he's done nothing illegal... Not sure about wrong.
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« Reply #1434 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:24:25 »

There is nothing "wrong" about holding an offshore based investment and paying all relevant taxes.
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« Reply #1435 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:26:29 »

He lied.
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« Reply #1436 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:32:58 »

There is nothing "wrong" about holding an offshore based investment and paying all relevant taxes.

Well, Cameron himself was quite happy to call Jimmy Carr 'morally wrong' wasn't he? It's certainly been very poorly handled.
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« Reply #1437 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:34:10 »

But nationalisation didn't work before that, as shown by the shambles and underinvestment inherited on privatisation....

What it needs is almost moving to a 'not for profit' commercial structure led by management with private sector experience to allow it to be run on commercial grounds avoiding the wastage and inefficiently which always characterised nationalised industries. (Speaking as someone who has worked in two areas if the public sector both locally then nationally)

Yet another common misconception.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/26/east-coast-mainline-why-privatise

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2714201/State-owned-East-Coast-Main-Line-gives-taxpayer-235m.html
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« Reply #1438 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:39:16 »

Well, Cameron himself was quite happy to call Jimmy Carr 'morally wrong' wasn't he? It's certainly been very poorly handled.

Carr, with the help of his accountant, intentionally put money into an offshore based tax avoidance scheme involving complicated loan agreements that bordered on tax evasion.

Cameron held units in an offshore investment which is about as vanilla as it gets. It's not a tax avoidance scheme.

The two are very different things.
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« Reply #1439 on: Friday, April 8, 2016, 08:53:42 »


But that in itself is another misconception, the taking back of East Coast into government control essentially tupe'ed all the commercial staff back into central control but allowed them to continue working as they had on a commercial footing, albeit under the umbrella of DOR. Remember the franchise only failed as National Express paid too much for it up front making it non-viable in the first place, there was no inherent fault with the franchise itself.

If anything it supports the point I was making that if a rail company under government control operates to commercial principles the model can work - although I remain unconvinced that it would work long term unless strict financial control is exercised to maintain efficiencies and not be used by government to create unnecessary jobs on silly terms just to create jobs to keep the unemployment rate down.

Finally East Coast was/is a lucrative trunk line with large business use, what works there isn't going to work on say Northern Rail which like many bus services needs government subsidy to even work, there is no size fits all whatever Jeremy may tell us all.

Equally I have no idea what to do about the steel industry, however I just don't see what Nationalisation will achieve apart from you and I as taxpayers covering the c.£1m loss a week that Port Talbot is making to keep people in jobs with no long term prospect of improvement, its not as if the Chinese are going to co-operate on global prices just to save our industry?

My opinions on the problems of nationalisation have been polarised by two conversations I have had this week; first was with a director of a former nationalised utility company who are having all manner of trouble as the majority of staff just do not seem to understand that in the private sector one doesn't have a blank cheque from government underwriting everything. They are trying to modernise working practices and no one will accept anything and he is tearing his hair out as the staff by their actions are basically hamstringing the whole company moving forward and actually risking their own jobs as they just don't get it - and to clarify the guy is not some capitalist beast, he is a long standing staff member with socialist sympathies who understands that they need to modernise to protect all their futures.

The second conversation was with a former colleague from British Waterways which went from government corporation to charity c.3 years ago. He was saying that from day one they have had it explained to them that without the supply of government money they need to be more sensible and commercially minded, however they have also embraced that outside government control they can borrow against assets to fund works and thus maintain and build their commercial business. Its a very different beast from when I was there when an engineering project that cost c.£280k was approved and undertaken on the business basis that it 'might' solve a problem - it didn't but with government funding it was no ones money so who cared!

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