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......Holt in the Adver.....going on about putting some proposals to the Council within a month, having consulted with them about what might be acceptable.

  Then vaguely drops in a line about a need for public consultation.....I'd have thought the consultation should have come first if any lessons were learned from the Shaw debacle......I don't think the locals quite figure that a redeveloped CG means they lose most of the park land.

  He also vaguely states.....we'll find somewhere new for the cricket and athletics.......have they been consulted yet.....as I stated before the cricket hadn't been in early November.

 Don't underestimate the ability of the Council to do a volte face, if the locals get upset.

Think we're just gonna have to wait and see on this one.  For once I'm not getting my hopes up, gonna forget about it, til any more details are released.

I can see why you think that way, but I reckon our whole future hinges on how this issue pans out........I wish I could take some confidence from the track records of the people involved, but if I think about it I want to go to the toilet.

I love the way you explain how you feel Reg.  You really do put across well just exactly what's going inside your head.  Bravo!!

well done reg

Not quite as bad as it seems.  By all accounts these proposals are only to allow the council to oink yey or nae on a few ideas and put there incompetant stamp on the deal.

The club looks to be keeping the council as involved and as sweet on the deal as much is possible after being stiffed last time.  

Logicly (although not a word I like to use around either party) consultations will be put to the public when there is something a little more concrete.  

Is there an anticipation of Doyles coming out of the woodwork on this deal?

Well the principled Councilor Dickenson who recently quit the party who's ticket he'd been elected on, at the recent meeting gave one of the few unequivocal statements that the residents would need to be onside or else nothing doing.

 Its all very well having cosy meetings with officers, who will talk to anyone at the behest of their masters, but have our powers that be been doing anything too consult with residents, cricket or athletics?

 I recall when the old Belmont Brewery in Old Town was being considered for an upgrade to The Mission, it was very controversial and the NIMBYS of the Pipers Way Residents Assoc were out in force.

 The counter was to have a squad of canvassers in Old Town , with drawings of what the building might look like inside and out, asking people if they felt such a development would add or subtract from that part of town.

 This info was then used to present to Councillors, as it more accurately gauged opinion, but it also presented a favourable side to the development.....the club should do something similar, to show how the locals might view a development as a good thing, but also make them feel personally engaged.

Hopefully after the next meeting you have to live in hope that something similar might happen but I wouldn't hold my breath.  Then something a tad more formal where something not far off the final proposals where in place for the public to gander at but still allows some refinement and compromise.

The last consultation for Shaw Tip where hideously ill presented and prepared.  After weeks of silence from the club and St Mowden it seemed to only help serve the cause of the handful of dissenters like the Doyle and facilitate their support.

I don’t live in hope.   :(

Reading this on the Trust site from Councillor Dickenson doesn't fill me with much hope......

    Not a lot of consultation so far (one could say none) - last night I was at the Broad Street Community Council & mentioned that last time I spoke to Bob Holt he said he would like to speak to them at a future meeting. Not wanting to speak for Les Horn (anyone who knows him will know he can speak for himself!) but I think they would like to meet him.

Fair enough if the Natives are getting restless then the club should really look about heading them off at the pass.

Must admit I have a lot more time for the residents and people who use the facilities that I ever had for a lot of the tip support.  After all it really will be a case of it being in their back, or if you will front yard and no one wants a white elephant on their door step.

Looking back I really would love to know what percentage of those marchers have ever actually been back to the Tip site.  I'd wager serious money on less than 5%.

I still don't think there is much in the meeting reported in the Adver.  I have to concede though if residents in particular get the waft of things happening, no matter how small if they feel excluded and quite rightly so they will be a harder more cynical sell possibly going to the extent of the Doyle.

On reflection Holt would have probably been better off keeping stum altogether on this one.

I go to Shaw forest quite often with the dog and I can safely say I have never ever seen anyone there.

Wonder what ever happened to the "thousands"?

Oh and how is the little fella, bald spot grown back?

Yes its slowly growing back. :D

I walked by there a while ago, and had a laugh that the official sign advertising what it was consisted of a bit of a word document, with some word art saying Forest stuffed into a plastic envelope and pinned to a post.

Its a joke anyway, we r supposed to be havin a new stadium for the last 25 years, i wont get my hopes up!!

it was ok to build fuckin tescos on the land let us redevelope

 Tesco's was built on land owned by Imperial Tobacco....who grew out of WD and HO Wills....of which SSW is a family member through his missus who's the proper Wills.

 They also owned the field next to the CG, where loads of houses were built, shame that's not an option now.