The new, new manager thread. Thread closed.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

I would say his definition of success is somewhat different to mine.

[JanAirplaneMan]

Ah fair enough, I was told he left last week. Has the new guy been announced?

Not formally as doesnt start until 23rd June

[Berniman]

So all the self proclaimed ITK were again talking rubbish about several guys turning us down...

Same ones who stated budget was slashed for next season.....

I haven't listened but if he stated that nobody turned us down, he not necessarily wrong there, but if somebody had agreed that they would come and then their existing club made them an offer to keep them and make them change their mind, that wouldn't be classed as being turned down i guess.

Mind you, i don't know if I am classed as a self proclaimed ITK or not, so this might be considered rubbish.

[Bob's Orange]

Not formally as doesnt start until 23rd June

ok cheers.

[Power to people]

Interesting interview, sounds like a good communicator and knows exactly what is needed, like that he does not rule out a young coach first job or an experienced coach as well, just someone that can develop players and play's good football to win games and get success

[Nomoreheroes]

I'm interested to understand the model. So, players are developed. If they are loaners, presumably there is some payment to the club? Read once that loans can be structured in more games played equalling less wages contribution by the club. But are there other payments? Or do big clubs then look favourably on the little club and give them more loans and/or more preferential rates?

And developing our players - How long do you develop them before selling? If we are data driven, what algorithm is used to determine the optimum time to sell?

How much does promotion factor in to the model? Is it better for a business to develop players in L2 or L1? Would the optimum profit margin be achieved by getting the club into the playoffs and losing every year, selling the squad and building a new one? Or, is it more profitable to develop the same players through the leagues?

Interesting one!

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Re Harsley

‘However, BirminghamLive understands Birmingham City have not yet received an official approach from the League Two outfit. Swindon finished in the play-off places last season and recently appointed former Wigan head of recruitment Sandro Di Michele as technical director.’

[DiV]

I'm interested to understand the model. So, players are developed. If they are loaners, presumably there is some payment to the club? Read once that loans can be structured in more games played equalling less wages contribution by the club. But are there other payments? Or do big clubs then look favourably on the little club and give them more loans and/or more preferential rates?

And developing our players - How long do you develop them before selling? If we are data driven, what algorithm is used to determine the optimum time to sell?

How much does promotion factor in to the model? Is it better for a business to develop players in L2 or L1? Would the optimum profit margin be achieved by getting the club into the playoffs and losing every year, selling the squad and building a new one? Or, is it more profitable to develop the same players through the leagues?

Interesting one!

My understanding of loans. Particularly younger players.

Loan fee is agreed. Let’s say it’s 100k for the season but for every game the loanee plays in 2k gets knocked off the loan fee.

So if we only play them once we will end up paying 98k at the end of the loan spell.
If they play 50 games they cost us nothing.

If we are talking Prem youngsters then chances are we don’t pick up the wages because a 19 year old kids wages are nothing to the bigger teams and for them the main thing they want out the loan is their player getting game time.

Older players from lower league clubs is different - as chances are the club want them off the wage bill to use the wages on someone else.

So, last season. I imagine (and I am guessing here) we probably paid next to nothing for Barry but probably picked up a good % of Davison’s wages

[Nomoreheroes]

Re Harsley

‘However, BirminghamLive understands Birmingham City have not yet received an official approach from the League Two outfit. Swindon finished in the play-off places last season and recently appointed former Wigan head of recruitment Sandro Di Michele as technical director.’

"I'm a very friendly coach called Harsley, I am always very glad to see you wave. But please don't shout or speak to me too harshly, because I'm not particularly brave..."

[Nomoreheroes]

My understanding of loans. Particularly younger players.

Loan fee is agreed. Let’s say it’s 100k for the season but for every game the loanee plays in 2k gets knocked off the loan fee.

So if we only play them once we will end up paying 98k at the end of the loan spell.
If they play 50 games they cost us nothing.

If we are talking Prem youngsters then chances are we don’t pick up the wages because a 19 year old kids wages are nothing to the bigger teams and for them the main thing they want out the loan is their player getting game time.

Older players from lower league clubs is different - as chances are the club want them off the wage bill to use the wages on someone else.

So, last season. I imagine (and I am guessing here) we probably paid next to nothing for Barry but probably picked up a good % of Davison’s wages

So, putting that into the sustainability model means that you take as many Prem loans as possible to keep your overheads low.

But, I wonder what the other golden rules are?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Here’s a new one

Anthony Limbrick, Aussie manager of TNS in the Welsh league.

[DiV]

So, putting that into the sustainability model means that you take as many Prem loans as possible to keep your overheads low.

But, I wonder what the other golden rules are?

In that sense yes but from a return on investment point of view you’d want to get in slightly older young players with a year left on their contract who are unlikely to make it at their parents club.

For example, Louie Barry is thought of highly at Villa. He’s never going to sign here. He improves our team but offers us no profit.

Someone like Luongo is the type we’d need to look at. Not good enough for Spurs, he does well here. We sign him (either free or nominal fee) and then improve him and sell him on.

[Berniman]

I'm interested to understand the model. So, players are developed. If they are loaners, presumably there is some payment to the club? Read once that loans can be structured in more games played equalling less wages contribution by the club. But are there other payments? Or do big clubs then look favourably on the little club and give them more loans and/or more preferential rates?

And developing our players - How long do you develop them before selling? If we are data driven, what algorithm is used to determine the optimum time to sell?

How much does promotion factor in to the model? Is it better for a business to develop players in L2 or L1? Would the optimum profit margin be achieved by getting the club into the playoffs and losing every year, selling the squad and building a new one? Or, is it more profitable to develop the same players through the leagues?

Interesting one!

Here is an interesting tweet that does a good job of explaining it:

https://twitter.com/pauld_70/status/1535255255432278017?s=21&t=l3D8ogwVkREXHSvO3aNglQ

[Jimmy HaveHave]

It definitely sounds like the first choices have turned us down and we're having to work hard to get someone who won't demand extortionate wages but also fits the clubs vision & criteria.

[TheDukeOfBanbury]

My understanding of loans. Particularly younger players.

Loan fee is agreed. Let’s say it’s 100k for the season but for every game the loanee plays in 2k gets knocked off the loan fee.

So if we only play them once we will end up paying 98k at the end of the loan spell.
If they play 50 games they cost us nothing.

If we are talking Prem youngsters then chances are we don’t pick up the wages because a 19 year old kids wages are nothing to the bigger teams and for them the main thing they want out the loan is their player getting game time.

Older players from lower league clubs is different - as chances are the club want them off the wage bill to use the wages on someone else.

So, last season. I imagine (and I am guessing here) we probably paid next to nothing for Barry but probably picked up a good % of Davison’s wages

Not necessarily, some deals are based on not paying any wages but a guarantee on appearances.