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Jump to the beat of the Beamish Line

Look, it's the only interest we really have left this season. Will we record our worst ever league finish season? The estimable Mr. Banyard (https://twitter.com/STFCcouk/status/1756735436074946738) reckons it's very slightly under a 50% chance. The good news is he thinks it's almost eight times more likely we reach the playoffs than we go down, but the bad news is that's still a below 2% chance.

For those not keeping up at the back, the 'Beamish Line' is the final league position and points tally of Ken Beamish's particularly useless 1983/4 (http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/LeagueTable.asp?CompCode=LGE&Tier=4&Season=1983-1984) side who finished 17th in the fourth division with 58 points. Helpfully a 46 game season so direct comparisons are possible.

• With 14 games left, Town sit exactly 17th with 39 points
• We need 20 points (1.43 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
• Over the 32 games played, we're running at 1.22 ppg
• Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.00 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Milton Keynes H (6th)
Stockport A (1st)
Tranmere H (18th)
Harrogate H (8th)
Mansfield A (2nd)
Accrington H (12th)
Doncaster H (20th)
Walsall A (16th)
Notts Co H (7th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (5th)
Wimbledon H (10th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (11th)

Playing three of the top four away isn't ideal. Only playing four teams below us... really not sure this is going to end well for us I'm afraid.

What do you think?

30 points!

I find it hard to see 3/4 more wins there i am afraid

Bollocks!

We've only won 4 out of our last 15 I think, so the evidence suggests that is a possibility.

I usually predict the results from February onwards, and have us getting another 15 points & finishing below the Beamish line in 18th place.

Someone sent me through a link to the Beamish squad, and honestly think that team would probably have beaten the current crop.

I'm shit at predictions but I reckon we'll be lucky to get another 12 - 15 points.

What is?

I hope we finish lower tbh, might as well achieve something this season so we can all big up the ownership

I’d be amazed if we get more than 15 points from our remaining games. There is nothing to suggest we will.

It might be just fatalism, but I sort of prefer us being terrible to merely quite bad. Obviously I'd rather we were good, but there's something about the grim seasons that sticks with you.

That’ll well only get 3/4 more wins. I’ll wager you £50 for the charity of your choice we get more.

Genuine question Aud, what are you basing that on to be so confident?

There is nothing to suggest we will.

Well, I may be confusing enjoying the performance on Saturday with an upturn in confidence, but I saw enough to convince me we are far better than the arse end of Flynn. Sure, it’s a small sample of 3 games but Gav is right - we should have won all 3.

That, and I fucking hate the never ending downbeat, wrist-slitting pessimism that surrounds the club at the moment.

In essence - hope over expectation!

Agree with that 100%. And with the "worst team in the league" going to Wrexham and getting 3 points, I think we can get a few more wins but as you say that might be a shade optimistic!

If we just replicate that last three games, we'd win, draw and lose in equal measure over the 15 games and manage 20 points, bringing us close.  Still a shocking state of affairs, to be working out how we exceed our worst ever finish in Div 4.

I’m with Audrey and Adje - I’ve seen enough to think we will pick up the few wins needed to exceed that points total.

Unfortunately, I expect that results will be sufficient to see Gunning get the gig permanently.

I think it heavily deoends on the next 3 games to be honest. There’s a bit of a bounce as it’s not Flynn/Hatswell anymore combined with a new player bounce. If we don’t pick anything up over the next 3 tricky games based on his past history I fear Gunning will become a bit of prick if he starts to get questioned and we’ll just revert to type.

Win 5
Draw 4
Lose the rest

Think the five wins poss come v Tranmere ✓, Donny, Sutton, Grimsbeh, and Walsall

Draws v Notts County, Morecambe, Accrington, and Wimbledon {or maybe Gills ✓}

Lose v Gills {or Wimbledon}, MKDonalds ✓, Stockport ✘, Harrogate {fucking Harrow Gate} ✘, Mansfield {fucking Mans Field}, and Barrow {FUCKING Barrerrh}

I make that about 19pts. I agree with Nick Aud, that Town will win more than 3 óder 4, meaning that's a ''say fish'' {fish} bet but conversely also meaning that Town will still finish just below the oft fated creamflow drink line. I also don't think 3Opts is remotely achievable. Only my onion of course

Most likely to celebrate drown the sorrows with a few pints of Kenneth  :pint: :pint: :pint:

The biggest propblem for me is just how long do these new additions stay fit. I do think we have the potential to win the more games than i stated but i just can't see the players staying fit enough for the remainder of the season

It's a bit more than a few wins isn't it? 21 points is either 7 wins, 6 wins and 3 draws or 5 wins and 6 draws. The last one involves only losing four games when we're away to three of the top four.

I don't think we're particularly bad right now, but we've left ourselves quite a difficult run here. We need to get almost half the points available.

I think we'll be two or three points either side of it, can't see it being far off.

There is no doubt, under Gunning performances have been far superior to the last 10 or so under Flynn, we are creating chances and actually shooting.

In the last 5 games under Flynn we averaged 9 shots per game and 3 on target.

In the 1st 3 games under Gunning we have averaged 15 shots and 4 on target each game, small but noticable improvements.

In the last 2 games we have averaged 21 shots per game and 5 on target, if we keep that up we will start scoring more than a goal a game.

Against Salford on another day we could easily have scored 3 or 4 with better finishing and we came up against a keeper in the form of his career who made 3 or 4 top saves.

Defence is as always the issue for me, we can create chances from nothing but we can concede with the same ease.

I think we will win at least 4 of the final games and get a fair few draws, no team other than Stockport have really impressed me and we only have to be a bit better than average to get results.

Again, albeit a very short sample, but 3 games under Gav = 1 goal per game conceded against 2 under Flynn.

Is it possible to get Beamish stout anywhere these days? Quaffing that at the season's end could be a suitably elegiacal way of bidding farewell to 2023-24.

Not seen Beamish for a while

Anyone who knows me will tell you i have been one of the most optomistic fand you will have met over the last 10 years.

The never ending downbeat, wrist-slitting pessimism that surrounds the club at the moment is with very good reason, is it not? I genuinely can't see what there is to be optomistic about whatsoever

Which is why I just take each individual game as one off event - to enjoy of not depending on performance/result.

I’ve stopped extrapolating where we’d be if we won this game or that, can we make the POs, are we getting dragged towards the trapdoor. It’s not worth continually railing against something I can’t change.

I’ve done all this with previous regimes and where did that get us.

County Limerick in Ireland.

Become one? His comment on the fans at the forum shows he is one.

Forest Green win away, but Sutton lose at home.

16 points clear of the relegation spots

Beamish Line very much in anticipation of being breached - after 4 games {in the 3rd installment of the Gunning era}, Town have accrued 5pts. 1.25pts per game

I think the only think we might 'win' this season is the first side that can't be mathematically relegated/promoted. The mid-table cup, glorious!

• With 14 games left, Town sit exactly 17th with 39 points
• We need 20 points (1.43 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
• Over the 32 games played, we're running at 1.22 ppg
• Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.00 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Milton Keynes H (6th)
Stockport A (1st)
Tranmere H (18th)
Harrogate H (8th)
Mansfield A (2nd)
Accrington H (12th)
Doncaster H (20th)
Walsall A (16th)
Notts Co H (7th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (5th)
Wimbledon H (10th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (11th)

We’re doing our best to keep below it :eek:

Stockport away would worry me with this lot, and Mansfield.  Best watch those ones behind the sofa.

Best start thinking of a new name I think. Gunning Gulch?

The Clem CatchPit?

At least it continues a link with the railways as well. Town's ''Catch Pit'' being that they make enough points to stay up and the catch pit prevents them running away through the Football League trapdoor*








*Cheers Reg x

With 13 games left, Town sit below the line in 18th with 39 points
We need 20 points (1.54 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 33 games played, we're running at 1.18 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 0.9 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Stockport A (1st)
Tranmere H (17th)
Harrogate H (7th)
Mansfield A (2nd)
Accrington H (12th)
Doncaster H (20th)
Walsall A (16th)
Notts Co H (9th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (6th)
Wimbledon H (8th)
Grimsby A (22nd)
Morecambe H (10th)

We now need to win every other game and then sneak a draw in there somewhere.

Unfortunately my update on these results is proving accurate so far. Right on track for potentially the clubs worse ever finish. Pass me a Milk Stout - it might be time to update the club crest!

Getting beyond 58pts is looking like a tough task at this stage.

Could still finish above 18th but with fewer than 58 I guess.

Does the Beamish Line then become the Morfuni Marker?

Does it really matter. It’s a complete Horlicks of a season whether we end up below or over .

Finishing 3rd from bottom might just wake a few fuckers up!

The lack of take up of STs will do that.

Sadly I don’t think it will they will still back him and say he is the only gig in town and there is no one better out there

The man’s a crook and a fraud- anyone who thought it a good idea to make a convicted money launderer vice chair is not a fit owner

I'm not convinced this will be as severe as you'd think

With the massive expansion of new house builds over the past 10+ years we’ve probably attracted a new younger fanbase who don’t have the passion us older fans have. They are happy to support their new local team without the affiliation which takes years to get in your blood.

With 12 games left, Town sit below the line in 18th with 40 points
We need 19 points (1.58 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 34 games played, we're running at 1.18 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.0 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Tranmere H (17th)
Harrogate H (11th)
Mansfield A (1st)
Accrington H (14th)
Doncaster H (20th)
Walsall A (9h)
Notts Co H (13th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (6th)
Wimbledon H (12th)
Grimsby A (22nd)
Morecambe H (10th)

Tranmere up next feels very important.

Can't see us getting near it

I can see six wins in there, but that's me being very optimistic

I have to admit I struggle to see 3 wins there, and I am not normally pessimistic.

I think the it's a pretty tolerable run-in in terms of avoiding our worst ever season.

So tolerable that I'm convinced that's why Gunning is running with the 'results will start to come' line.

Tranmere H - win
Harrogate H - win
Mansfield A - lose
Accrington H - lose
Doncaster H - win
Walsall A - draw
Notts Co H - lose
Sutton A - draw
Barrow A - lose
Wimbledon H - draw
Grimsby A - win
Morecambe H - win

I've dropped it to five wins, again being very optimistic! Two wins at the end of the season earning Gunning the job. Happy days :cry:

Its fucking depressing!

Lets get over the 50 point line first!

I reckon we'll swap places with FGR.

Nah FGR are going down still

I think they'll catch Grimsby, who look absolutely miserable.

Even if FGR go on a run there is zero chance of Grimsby picking up ten points more than us over the last twelve games.

I'd love it if Colchester went down. The Cowley's great fall from grace.

Grimsby have 2 games in hand over us.

They also haven't won a football match in 2024!

Only 1 less than we have.... :D

We've only won 2 in 3 months  ;D

I've got a free ticket for FGR v Wrexham. As much as I dislike the Wrexham bandwagon ... fingers crossed for them. And three points against Tranmere would help the nerves too.

We did a win!

With 11 games left, Town sit on the line in 17th with 43 points
We need 16 points (1.45 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 35 games played, we're running at 1.23 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.0 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Harrogate H (12th)
Mansfield A (1st)
Accrington H (15th)
Doncaster H (20th)
Walsall A (7th)
Notts Co H (14th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (6th)
Wimbledon H (13th)
Grimsby A (22nd)
Morecambe H (11th)

Looking at our home games left you'd like to think we'd get a fair few points. Our home form over the season is pretty good compared to our shit overall position.
We've only lost to the teams currently in 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th.

If we get less people than 60 points this year then we’ll have gained fewer points in the clem era than we did between 82-85 (the beamish year and the the ones either side). I.e the worst extended spell in 4 division era

With 10 games left, Town sit on the line in 17th with 43 points
We need 15 points (1.5 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 36 games played, we're running at 1.19 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.1 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Mansfield A (1st)
Accrington H (16th)
Doncaster H (20th)
Walsall A (6th)
Notts Co H (14th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (8th)
Wimbledon H (10th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (9th)

15pts from 30pts needed. Going with what is left over, I have Town just obtaining 15pts, thus equalling the lowest ever finish. These predictions never fully work out. Town aren't going down but finishing ABOVE the Kenneth Line...

Town effectively have to be on a win one in three form for the rest of the season just to hit the record equaling low finish:


I'm unfortunately sad to say that i'm confident that they won't be surpassing the line but obviously anything can happen - even a points deduction  ???

Am I right that yesterday saw Austin notch his 49th goal for Town yesterday?

If so, I'd genuinely love to see him score his 50th.  If anyone also witnessed his first at Carlisle that would be some "double".

Whatever, the Beamish Line challenge is absorbing and I'll continue believing for as long as that target remains mathematically possible.

Out of interest what if we finish 16th on 56 points?

Honestly, I fail to see what ounce of difference it makes. The season is shit, does it matter if it just happens to be a bit more shit than one years ago. I’d rather look forward - if that’s possible.

51 league goals by my reckoning. 58 over all.

Austin 97(+16) 51 goal every 2.22 games
Parkin 122(+4) 68 goal every 1.85 games
Cox 80(+1) 44 goal every 1.84 games


Just for some context but obviously a lot of other factors like age, the team they played in, how good we were. Austin has obviously made a lot more appearances as sub which could be anything from under 5 minutes to 80 odd minutes in theory. Plus Austin coming back at the tail end of his career etc

I think,not sure, it was his 199th career goal yesterday

You make a good point but it would also point towards further decline and a more indicative indicator that the current ownership is not wanted. Finishing in Town's lowest ever position {or even with a positive slant, their second worse ever finish} in the Football League is not something to ignore.

Of course, it makes no difference but it would serve as good evidence when proposing that current owner do indeed step down/sell.

Looking forward for me personally, means not continuing with the current ownership and getting some people in who actually know how to run a business {and maybe even a Pro footy one at that}. The lowest league position ever might activate a few more into pushing forward with a new ownership. I certainly don't want a Football League exit in a couple of years, to be the redeeming factor in fans waking up.

You are right, it's going forward that counts. Not seeing much to change things myself.

Beating a low point is just an indicator of ongoing decline.

Apart from one good season since the new regime, which still didn't end well, everything has been worse than ever before. The ground looks like it's peeling, and everything has the feel of Sunday league about it. How have we ended up here and more importantly when, if at all, are things going to improve? Some seem content with that, which I find bizarre.

To be honest, and this may be a slight exaggeration {me being sarcy? When?} but in part, I've seen better at the Chernobyl Tourist Attraction. Mind you, that might give the current shambles ideas...

''Get your tickets to the STFC pop-up attraction: Legacy - The Dilapidated Ground Edition. First 1879 purchases get a free bag of genuine grade powder red paint flakings from the missing club shop panel. Don't miss out and purchase today for just £109.63''

Clems Swindon Town Wonka experience!

Not that well organised.

Wanka, it’s Wanka!

With 9 games left, Town sit below the line in 18th with 44 points
We need 15 points (1.67 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 37 games played, we're running at 1.18 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.0 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Accrington H (16th)
Doncaster H (19th)
Walsall A (9th)
Notts Co H (15th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (6th)
Wimbledon H (8th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (10th)

Next two games key.

Next 2 games key, but we have won 3 in the last 14. Doncaster beat Crewe today  :doh:

Pipe dream getting above this. Worst Swindon season ever.

We should beat Grimsby and Sutton. We therefore probably need to beat two of Accrington, Doncaster and Notts County, or spring an upset on a better team somewhere along the line. It's a forgiving series of games, we're just not very good.

Not according to some on facebook though as we arent seeking re-election

Having been around during the Beamish era it was definitely a more depressing time following Town especially when crowds dropped under 3000 etc.

Agree with that.

life was generally shitter then

Better than the modern era.

With 8 games left, Town sit below the line in 18th with 44 points
We need 15 points (1.875 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 38 games played, we're running at 1.16 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.0 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Doncaster H (19th)
Walsall A (8th)
Notts Co H (17th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (6th)
Wimbledon H (7th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (11th)

We're doomed.

We'll end up on 47 points is my guess

On paper, it really is a lovely run in. Shame we're absolute garbage and worrying more about what's happening beneath us in the table than plotting a way to get promoted out of what is a sorry division.

Tracking the relegation line is much more realistic right now. Thankfully only two go down.

Sutton look dead and buried but the race for 3rd bottom is still very open.

FGR and Doncaster both having won 3 and drawn 1 in their last 5 games seem to be improving.

Colchester under the dreadful Cowleys havent won in 6 games and seem in free fall.

Sutton, Grimsby, Salford, Notts C and us all with 1 win in 5 each.

17th (47 pts) Notts C 10 games left
18th (44 pts) Swindon 8 games left
19th (43 pts) Doncaster 10 games left
20th (40 pts) Salford 9 games left
21st (38 pts) Grimsby 10 games left
22nd (33 pts) FGR 9 games left
23rd (32 pts) Col U 11 games left
24th (27 pts) Sutton 8 games left

... and everyone bar Colchester and Sutton have a better record in the last 5 games, and Sutton have an equal record in the last 5 to us.

If Colchester overtake us I will eat Clem's hat. He doesn't have a hat that I know of but I'm sure a suitably corked hat can be supplied. They're 13 points off doing that and are in dreadful form. I think we could not get another point and we'd still stay up.

That doesn't make it okay.

Kangaroo Klem’s first season of ownership was a complete fluke. The squad assembled by Garner was also done on the cheap, we just had a little bit of luck in that Garner got the best out of those players he bought in. I believe that gave Crocodile Dundee the unfounded belief that football ownership was ‘easy’.

Atleast Power had a football background, something the Flaming Galah doesn’t have. Power understood the logistics of turgid lower league football on a shoestring.

The reality is, Morph doesn’t have the ability or inclination to throw money at Swindon Town. I believe he thought that naturally his second season would have resulted in promotion, which in itself would have brought financial relief for him. Well, that didn’t happen and the black hole is getting bigger and bigger.

The other concern is the stadium purchase deal with the council. As I understand it, the club need to commit to spending a fair wedge (£2m ?) on improving facilities before a certain date on the horizon or the council can buy back the ground. I’m not even sure the Dunny Installer has the money.

Attendances will be decimated next season, and here we are on a downward spiral until the next charlatan owner appears, and we will all be filled with hope, the pints will be poured in the CGHotel and we will proclaim the arrival of the new messiah.
Fast forward 12 months and we will be back at square one. It’s the natural cycle of Swindon Town football club.

Plenty of other clubs have been down this route and have bounced back stronger.

We’ll be no different.

Could this Saturday be our first "must win" game of the season?

As long as we avoid national league. We could be there a very long time under this setup.

Sutton                                 Colchester                     FGR
FGR (a) 22nd                       Walsall (h) 8th               Sutton (h) 24th           
Accrington (h) 15th               Mansfield (a) 1st           Doncaster (a) 19th
Salford (a) 20th                    Newport (h) 12th           Stockport (h) 3rd
Swindon (h) 18th                  Tranmere (a) 16th          Crewe (a) 4th
Stockport (h) 3rd                 Wrexham (h) 2nd           Franchise (h) 5th
Harrogate (a) 14th                Stockport (h) 3rd           Mansfield (a) 1st
Crawley (h) 9th                     Crawley (a) 9th             Wrexham (a) 2nd
Franchise (a) 5th                  Grimsby (h) 21st            Morecambe (a) 11th
                                           Notts (a) 17th                Notts (h) 17th
                                           Crewe (h) 4th

When you look at both Colchester / FGR they both have a very difficult run in, both playing at least 4 of the current top 7 in their remaining games. I struggle to see where Colchester pick up many points from those games as Walsall/Crawley/Newport are in decent form as well. 

Wouldn't put it past us going down further under this mob.

Tuesday's was that for me

I have decided I don’t give a fuck about the Beamish Line.
This season is as bad as it gets so where we finish in relation to that season is neither here nor there.
I am concerned about where we finish in relation to the dotted line.

100% this...

I don't see us picking up any more points...

Easter Monday could if their two games before hand end in losses see the trap door firmly opened for Sutton. Let’s hope we don’t offer them a lifeline if they go better than we hope.

Am I reading this right, we need 14 points from 7 games to equal our lowest ever 4th tier points total?

soapy tit wank we're not just missing it. We're fucking miles behind it.

hehehe. oh wait

Neglected this yesterday, but here we go...

With 7 games left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 44 points
We need 15 points (2.14 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 39 games played, we're running at 1.13 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 0.7 ppg (!)

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Walsall A (8th)
Notts Co H (17th)
Sutton A (24th)
Barrow A (6th)
Wimbledon H (7th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (12th)



The end of season LSPod title needs to be "Crooks, Beamish Line and Sinking"

After 9 games, STFC were third in League Two with a game in hand on the leaders, having taken 19 points from nine games (2.1 points per game)

Since then, we've added a further 25 points in 30 further games (0.83 points per game)

Sutton are averaging 0.77 over the season, FGR 0.86, Colchester 0.91.

Take that initial run out, and we're the second worst team in the football league.

yeah Nemo, that really backs up how it feels it's been going.

Like Lindsay's run saved our arse last season, thank fuck Flynn had an unbelievable start this .

we can't keep on getting lucky with a run

I can't see another win there.

I think we are safe this year ( but it will be close). It’s next year I’m really worried about!

When the Beamish Line record is broken, will the new ATL {all-time low} line be renamed simply as the ''Plumb Line''.

The ''Gunning-Flynn Method'' might also be handy literature when teaching how NOT to achieve superior levels of shiteness, as would the ''Anthony Hall School of Bullshit'' but let's not forget soon-to-be-bestseller ''In Clemente Weather''; warning all supporters of STFC, the dangers of falling for the charm of unpleasant owners.

We could ironically call the new line of achievement the ''Promotion Line'', because for all the absolute wankers at this club bashed on about building a team that can challenge for promotion, it seems they need to be fucking recalibrated on what finishing position in the league actually achieves this  :crash:

Just the straight forward term "The Plimsoll Line".

When you are below it you sink, if you are above it you float. Simple.

Records are there to be broken :D

The Shit Floats line perhaps. (But not for long).

A discussion on the volumetric properties of turds notwithstanding.

The Earth's core, the rate we are going at.

The Look What Happens When You Don't Have an Experience Right Back in Division Four line.

I went for ''Plumb Line'' as it gave reference to our dodgy plumber owner but I had considered ''Plimsoll'' too.

I think that one should be reserved for when Town slip through the FL relegation trapdoor, as a nod to SRS

The “Are we really this shit line”

To which the answer this season is clearly, YES

You're all clearly off the cultural zeitgeist which should be 'Townn are simply not good Kenough'

The "Still better than Oxford " Line

but we're not great at doing stuff

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJGV9lqX0AAI7_P?format=png&name=small)

I believe this is the table since October 1st, we're the worst team on PPG and second worst on actual points gained. Flynn's fast start really might keep us up.

So, statue next to Sir Don. Or A bust in the reception?

Colchester have 3 games in hand on that list too, and they took 4 points off us this season   :-[
Nice one Clem and Co  :rain:

Perhaps a selection of toilet bowls themed around key individuals involved.

Just a big wooden spoon should do.

Beamish line will be a pipe dream to aim for in a few years if Clem stays at the wheel heading for the cliff.

We are past the precipice in my opinion, free fall already started..

So what are going to go with then moving forward, the Gunning Line or the Morfuni Line?

The laundry line.

I believe if you read back, a conversation around the ''new'' line has commenced ;)


I think some ''Bazooka Joe'' Temporary Transfers handed out would be quite apt - covers the whole approach to things. A bit like a sticking plaster, don't last very long, a bit shit, but also very tough to get rid of. The ''Gum'' {not Gunning} tastes ok but it sours and fades after a few chews.

Think that sums up STFC in its present guise and ownership

Well then.

With 6 games left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 47 points
We need 12 points (2 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 40 games played, we're running at 1.18 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 1.0 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Sutton A (23rd)
Barrow A (5th)
Wimbledon H (8th)
Walsall A (11th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (10th)

Are we back in play? We're coming for you Ken!

Feel like i am being negative but can't see more than one win here. I got shot down last time and unfortunately appear to have been right so far

I think Grimsby and Sutton are two we should be looking to win. The third win does look quite a lot harder, perhaps Morecambe on the last day if they're not in the playoff hunt.

Not happening. Most teams aren't going to gift us two goals like today and be that hopeless at creating.

I worry about any game where the other team has something to play for if i am honest. If i am not mistaken the wins we have had under Gunning have came against teams with nothing to play for

2 home 4 away good job we’re almost safe!

Surely Sutton are going to aerially bombard us and now they are really looking at survival will be pretty motivated. I can’t see us winning a physical battle. Grimsby is away on a Saturday at 3pm so that’s impossible for us to win so that leaves Morecambe as a the only chance of another win IMO if it’s a dead rubber.

We’re nowhere near as good as the Beamish team. They had an FA Cup run, including a 7-0 win at Kettering. The current ensemble lost 7-4 at home to Aldershit…

It turns out we had not turned a corner, just played the only team in the football league shitter than us.

With 5  games left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 47 points (and goal difference above 20th)
We need 12 points (2.4 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 41 games played, we're running at 1.15 ppg
Over the last ten games, we're running at 0.9 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Barrow A (5th)
Wimbledon H (10th)
Walsall A (11th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (8th)

We're not just going to finish below the line, we're going to sail under it with all the ease of the all-Jamaica limbo champion.

You better start counting your money, Aud.

Those are the two hardest as they will be trying - As we saw from todays game against Sutton.

The other three all in/within range of the playoffs, we have nobody to play who is on the beach.

Always think that those at the bottom scrap harder, while those chasing playoffs often freeze.

After today’s showing I can not see us winning another game this season unless the opposition gift us goals like Notts County.  Both FGR & Sutton are picking up more points than us and anyone who thinks we are safe and won’t get dragged into a relegation scrap are in for a shock. Rovers & the Pox thought they were too good to go down to NL and look what happened to them.

The only saving grace if we go down is Clem & his cronies might do one

We are safe and won’t get dragged into a relegation scrap.

That doesn't mean we aren't irredeemably shit. There are just too many teams too far behind us and too few games left. That first nine games saved us.

Whilst I doubt we will pick up many points at all in our final games, it's still hard to see those below picking up enough to stay up.

FGR are 11 points behind us and have Franchise (H) Mansfield (A) Wrexham (A) Morecambe (A) Notts (H). 4W 1D 5 L in their last 10.

Colchester are 9 behind us and have Wrexham (H) Stockport (H) Crawley (A) Grimsby (H) Notts (A) Doncaster (H) Crewe (H). 1W, 7D, 2L in their last 10.

Sutton are 8 points behind us and have Stockport (H) Harrogate (A) Crawley (H) Franchise (A). 5W 2D 3L in their last 10.

Even if we pick up no points I can't see FGR winning 4 out of those 5 or Sutton 3 out of the 4 despite their recent good form considering those 4 wins on the bounce are against pretty shit opposition.

True. But....league position is no guide to who can beat who

To catch us if we get no further points,  FGR need 2.2pts per game, Colchester need 1.3, Grimsby 1.2 and Sutton need 2. Maybe one of those happens, not three out of four. All of them miles behind us on goal difference too so they basically need one point more.

Terrible terrible season......

As others have said previously, the Beamish team would absolutely thrash this side, at least under Beamish they had a game plan and tactics even if they were a bit shit. I went to every game that season home and away and it was at times so bad it was almost funny, we never went into games assuming we would get a result or underestimate opponents, we were just poor, this season is a whole new level of poor.

That season we won at Kettering 7-0 in the FA cup, beat Div 3 Millwall and Div 2 Carlisle in the cup run only going out to Blackburn.

No team put more than 3 goals past us in any game in the league.

We used just 21 players and of those 4 players made just 1 or at most 2 appearance.

Worst season I have witnessed in 50 years, worst tactics too probably, certainly the only other comparable was Sheridan and that was in a division higher.

Shambles on and off the pitch.

Thanks for cheering me up JJ ! :(

Mans spitting facts.....as the kids would say.

Well, who knows any more.

With 4 games left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 50 points
We need 9 points (2.25 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 42 games played, we're running at 1.19 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Wimbledon H (8th)
Walsall A (9th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (10th)

Still not happening, but keeping it interesting one more week.

It's obvious. We'll beat the teams above us and lose to Grimsby!

Town possibly win 2 of them, draw 1 and lose another. Which would put the points total exactly aligned with the voter intention pts tally.

I think that's the max Town manage though. No way they win 3 out of 4 remaining games. Unless the board has told the players about the ''Beamish Line'', and offered them all a BB {Belushi Bonus} if they manage to get above it.

Maybe.

With 3 games left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 53 points
We need 6 points (2 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 43 games played, we're running at 1.23 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Walsall A (11th)
Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (15th)

All of a sudden this looks doable, with the team coming up having less and less to play for.

We cannot reach parity as you can't get five points from two gams. It's all or nothing now.

With 2 games left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 53 points
We need 6 points (3 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
Over the 43 games played, we're running at 1.2 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Grimsby A (21st)
Morecambe H (15th)

We are so totally gonna win both games then suffer a 1 point points deduction

Grimsby are as good as safe now with a goal difference of +8 so I can see us both settling for a dour draw on Saturday and with absolutely nothing to play for against Morecambe (for both teams) another boring draw meaning we end the season on 55 points and probably staying in 19th place.

This season deserves to finish below the line.

I almost want it to, which means wanting us not to win one of our last 2. Which is not right. Sorry.

It also gives us a lower target for next season to hit.

But at least it doesn't mean you want to see us lose...Town can win one and draw one of their remaining matches to finish on 57pts. Which is what I think will happen.

Grimsby aren't yet technically safe, so I see them playing for a not-fixed-at-at-all point against the Town. Then Town probably beat Morecambe last day and Clem will think that is enough to make the fans forget; it will definitely be a move that is not wise  ;)

When we had 47 a mate said that will probably be enough...i wanted 50 minimum....looks like he was probably right.

Since 12th Feb
LDWDLLLWLWWL
W4 D2 L6 14 points

4 so far.

Spot on so far.

Spot on so far.

Spot on so far.


Nope.

Nope 14 so far.

Under Beamish we won 21 games that season in total, that included 2 good cup runs, we scored 82 goals and conceded 70.

This season we have won just 14 games in all competitions, we have scored 81 and conceded a whopping 98 goals.

This team (and manager) are far far worse than that Beamish team, far worse.

It's officially over.

We’ve won something 🤣

Under Gunning we have 5 wins, 4 draws and 8 defeats in his 17 games thats a 29% win rate.

Beamish by comparison had a 38.2% win rate in the same division.

Malpas 31% (higher league)

Todd 25% (higher league)

Sheridan 24.4% (higher league)

Onoura 22.5% (higher league)

Hart 9% (higher league)

Our lowest ever finish comes 30 years after our highest ever. Sickening state of affairs.

We need a new name for it. How about the Cocaine Line?

Thank fcuk for that...

Yaaaay, I was right about something!!

I fucking hate the state of this club. Sleepwalking into non-league and no sign of the owner. Cunt.

The Clem Morfuni is Zavier Austin's, Hero of STFC, bitch Line, sponsored by Karachi FC.  It's a mouthful, but it rather sums up some of the context

For formality's sake

With 1 game left, Town sit below the line in 19th with 53 points
We need 6 points (6 ppg) to reach the magic 59 point threshold.
We can still finish as 'high' as 17th if we win and Accrington & Newport lose
We can still finish as low as 20th, but it will require Salford winning, us losing and a ten goal difference swing
Over the 44 games played, we're running at 1.2 ppg

Our remaining games are: (current league position of opposition)

Morecambe H (16th)

So, will this be called the ‘Gunning’ line in future, or does Flynn’s name need to be added?

Or will it be the Morfuni line?

The Morfuni Line.

Morfuni Marker.

Low tide mark

The skid mark line.

Doesn’t really matter what’s it’s called does it?

We’ll be thinking of a new name this time next year…

Next years line already has a name unfortunately

Relegation zone?

Correct

I don't even know what the phrase means. Genuinely.

I suppose anything above the new Clem line will be deemed a success by the club next season😁

Which phrase? The Beamish Line?

Its the point in history where we finished with fewest points and our lowest league position (in the modern 4 division league system).

The team was managed by Ken Beamish.

To finish above the line = more points than the Beamish team, below = less points and hence a new line is set.

We can now only finish below the line. So it's getting renamed the Morfuni line.
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The Beamish line : Pos 17   Swindon Town   P46   W15   D13   L18   F58   A56   GD2    Pts58
The Morfuni line*:  Pos 19   Swindon Town   P45   W14   D11   L20   F74   A80   GD-6    Pts53

* max position 17th, pts 56

Green shoots!

Is the games total correct? 46 under Beamish?
If so, we automatically loose out on 3 more potential points.

It'll be 46 games each after Saturday. It's as it stands today.

But even a win on Saturday has us on just 56 points, and the highest position we can get is 17th if other results go out way.

We can't realistically finish lower than 19th

yeah- should have paid more attention to the game numbers- we can't only play 45 games in a season  :doh:

Well there we go then

Town finish the season below the line in 19th with 54 points
Four points behind the line, five points from beating it.
We finished two places lower (17th vs 19th)

The Morfuni Marker is laid down. Well done to the 68% who saw it coming.

I don’t see for the life of me how Clem gets such an easy ride from the fanbase.

If we want change we have to force it- u just hope enough don’t renew ST- a dent in summer cash flow may force his hand……

If the majority of this fan base were around in the mid eighties,Lou Macari would never have been reinstated,they would have just gone along with the boards decision to sack him.

Crazy how easy Clem is getting off with the way the club is being run.

Sleep walking to the National League!