Coronavirus

[pauld]

Literally no different to the flu vaccine, which is the same basic vaccine tweaked every year to be effective against the most prevalent strain that winter

Calm down, stop panicking

Exactly this. Although tbf I don't think theakston is panicking he is using this to back the same anti-lockdown agenda he has pursued from the outset. Which in itself is fair enough, but causing unnecessary concern about the efficacy of vaccines (IIRC he is also anti-vax) is a little irresponsible IMO

[Nomoreheroes]

Exactly this. Although tbf I don't think theakston is panicking he is using this to back the same anti-lockdown agenda he has pursued from the outset. Which in itself is fair enough, but causing unnecessary concern about the efficacy of vaccines (IIRC he is also anti-vax) is a little irresponsible IMO

Totally agree.

[BambooToTheFuture]

Exactly this. Although tbf I don't think theakston is panicking he is using this to back the same anti-lockdown agenda he has pursued from the outset. Which in itself is fair enough, but causing unnecessary concern about the efficacy of vaccines (IIRC he is also anti-vax) is a little irresponsible IMO

Hang on, I don't think theakston2k is an anti-vaxxer?! Is he?! Are you t2k?! 

[pauld]

Hang on, I don't think theakston2k is an anti-vaxxer?! Is he?! Are you t2k?! 

I didn't mean generally - he has previously said he wouldn't take any of the COVID vaccines until they had been in general use for years as he has concerns about possible unknown side-effects etc. Which, again, is a legitimate concern, but difficult to reconcile with an anti-lockdown stance.

[pauld]

How are France, Italy & Spain coping as we here verŷ little about them these days

Considerably better than we are: we are up there with the US with a near vertical rate of increase



Graphic is from Our World in Data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#coronavirus-country-profiles

[Jimmy HaveHave]

Considerably better than we are: we are up there with the US with a near vertical rate of increase



Graphic is from Our World in Data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#coronavirus-country-profiles

Many thanks for the data.
How an earth are they avoiding it🤔

[theakston2k]

I didn't mean generally - he has previously said he wouldn't take any of the COVID vaccines until they had been in general use for years as he has concerns about possible unknown side-effects etc. Which, again, is a legitimate concern, but difficult to reconcile with an anti-lockdown stance.

I don’t agree with lockdowns as the impacts on people’s mental health, other illnesses and people’s general ability to have some kind of quality of life seems to get completely forgotten about. They are on about a new tier 5 now where only 1 hour outside might be allowed, how is that at all healthy?
At the same time I wouldn’t be an early adopter of a vaccine as by the very nature of how quickly it has came out long term side effects aren’t known, I won’t get it until 2022 according to the calculator anyway so doesn’t matter. Both stances aren’t mutually exclusive....

People keep clamouring that we should remain under heavy restrictions until the virus is ‘under control’ or the majority of people are vaccinated. Honestly though, if it takes a prolonged period of time will you continue to put your life on hold indefinitely for another year, maybe more? I’m not ashamed to say my patience is finite and I won’t do that, time is precious and shouldn’t be wasted. If things don’t change in spring hard decisions will need to be made.

[DiV]

Speaking of Spain and their lockdown measures has Mex posted recently?

[tans]

Last posted christmas day

[Batch]

Mexs posts have always been a bit sporadic, at least in recent times.

[DiV]

I did a search and he’s been posting about the football mostly.

Just wondered what the conditions are like now in Spain, seen as they had a ‘proper’ lockdown with armed guards and shit first time around.

[horlock07]

Considerably better than we are: we are up there with the US with a near vertical rate of increase



Graphic is from Our World in Data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#coronavirus-country-profiles

I think that the government have misinterpreted what flattening the curve means... Perhaps the scientists should have specified it was on the X axis they were talking about. 

[pauld]

I don’t agree with lockdowns as the impacts on people’s mental health, other illnesses and people’s general ability to have some kind of quality of life seems to get completely forgotten about. They are on about a new tier 5 now where only 1 hour outside might be allowed, how is that at all healthy?
At the same time I wouldn’t be an early adopter of a vaccine as by the very nature of how quickly it has came out long term side effects aren’t known, I won’t get it until 2022 according to the calculator anyway so doesn’t matter. Both stances aren’t mutually exclusive....

People keep clamouring that we should remain under heavy restrictions until the virus is ‘under control’ or the majority of people are vaccinated. Honestly though, if it takes a prolonged period of time will you continue to put your life on hold indefinitely for another year, maybe more? I’m not ashamed to say my patience is finite and I won’t do that, time is precious and shouldn’t be wasted. If things don’t change in spring hard decisions will need to be made.

TLDR: I'm incredibly selfish

[BambooToTheFuture]

We're going to be "World beating" again aren't we 

[BoA Vagabond]

I did a search and he’s been posting about the football mostly.

Just wondered what the conditions are like now in Spain, seen as they had a ‘proper’ lockdown with armed guards and shit first time around.

According to my folks it's full-on as per last time. Apparently roads out of Madrid were blocked by law enforcement before xmas. It is no longer discussed particularly as they are so used to it. Last time they had almost no cases in their part of the Costa Blanca but it's been a lot worse this time around. Don't know if that is the case elsewhere in Spain.