Coronavirus

[Arriba]

Glad I was playing golf while all this was going on yesterday. What I have seen has been laughable both on the news and social media.
Tory voters are excusing it. Everyone else is disgusted. It's not like there will ever be a compromise so I guess we move on. But don't forget. Ever!
If we get a second wave then this government is toast, if not then they will carry on and just hit the poor/vulnerable with the bill for furlough. Hoorah!

[StfcRusty]

Have any of you read Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test?  The model, developed by Dr Robert Hare, assesses whether someone is a psychopath by the following 20 measures:

•  glib and superficial charm
•  grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
•  need for stimulation
•  pathological lying
•  cunning and manipulativeness
•  lack of remorse or guilt
•  shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
•  callousness and lack of empathy
•  parasitic lifestyle
•  poor behavioural controls
•  sexual promiscuity
•  early behavior problems
•  lack of realistic long-term goals
•  impulsivity
•  irresponsibility
•  failure to accept responsibility for own actions
•  many short-term marital relationships
•  juvenile delinquency
•  revocation of conditional release
•  criminal versatility

To be clinically diagnosed as a psychopath, you have to score highly (not fulfil all 20).

Apply what you know about Boris Johnson to that list.  And then do it for Trump.

[4D]

Something else for you to get your teeth into.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8356083/Rowdy-sunseekers-brawl-packed-Kent-beach.html

[flammableBen]

Have any of you read Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test?  The model, developed by Dr Robert Hare, assesses whether someone is a psychopath by the following 20 measures:

•  glib and superficial charm
•  grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
•  need for stimulation
•  pathological lying
•  cunning and manipulativeness
•  lack of remorse or guilt
•  shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
•  callousness and lack of empathy
•  parasitic lifestyle
•  poor behavioural controls
•  sexual promiscuity
•  early behavior problems
•  lack of realistic long-term goals
•  impulsivity
•  irresponsibility
•  failure to accept responsibility for own actions
•  many short-term marital relationships
•  juvenile delinquency
•  revocation of conditional release
•  criminal versatility

To be clinically diagnosed as a psychopath, you have to score highly (not fulfil all 20).

Apply what you know about Boris Johnson to that list.  And then do it for Trump.

I reckon I score at least a 14-15 on that one.

[StfcRusty]

I reckon I score at least a 14-15 on that one.

 Proof the test works then?

[Ardiles]

I've never felt less at home in my own country.

[Nemo]

Douglas Ross, Scotland minister, resigns from the government

“I have constituents who didn’t get to say goodbye to loved ones; families who didn’t visit sick relatives because they followed the guidance of the government. I cannot in good faith tell them they were all wrong and one senior advisor to the government was right.”

And that really is the crux of the issue here isn't it?

(Football relevance: he's the MP who's also a referee, done a few CL games)

[Arriba]

Although there is plenty to challenge Cummings on its been done to death so I'll just say this.
I'm not sure how the driving test works nowadays but when I took mine in 1994 I wasn't allowed to take the test until I'd read a number plate from a car in the distance in the car park of the test centre. You don't go for a drive to test if you can see and nobody in the medical profession would ever suggest you did. Driving a car doesn't test your sight.

[Reg Smeeton]

Douglas Ross, Scotland minister, resigns from the government

And that really is the crux of the issue here isn't it?

(Football relevance: he's the MP who's also a referee, done a few CL games)

Fair play to Mr Ross.

Contrast with Tomlinson's pusillanimous words.....

That was painful viewing. In unprecedented times everyone has  to make difficult judgements. As a parent I understand he put his 4 year child first in exceptional circumstances, as per the guidelines. That said the detailed explanation could & should have come sooner.

[pauld]

Glad I was playing golf while all this was going on yesterday. What I have seen has been laughable both on the news and social media.
Tory voters are excusing it. Everyone else is disgusted.

I don't think that's entirely true. Some Tory voters are excusing it, many are every bit as disgusted as the rest of us. Even among the high-profile commentators, there is disgust. The Mail are still sticking the boot in, the appalling Julia Hartley-Brewer has been strident in her criticism, Ian Dale is very vocal, Tim Montgomerie of Conservative Home has gone so far as to say he now regrets backing Johnson and wants him to go to. These are all big hitters on the right; there is substantial Tory unease/disgust at Cummings and Johnson on this.

[horlock07]

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Who said that?

Goebbels wasn't it?

I know its well known that the Tories hate the north but sending Cummings up here like some kind of biological weapon seems a bit harsh.

Meanwhile in Barrow yesterday not much social distancing going on;

https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/18474095.tommy-robinson-attends-mass-show-support-barrow-woman/

[Chunkyhair]

Contrast with Tomlinson's pusillanimous words.....

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Even worse Reg - trying to make this all about the child (note - press doorstepping is appalling, that is NOT the point here)


Justin Tomlinson MP
@JustinTomlinson
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15h
I absolutely understand the strength of feeling on this, however there is no excuse for the media & protesters targeting a family home - at the centre of all this is a 4 year old child.

[Banker]

An unelected bureaucrat holds a personal press conference in the No 10 Rose Garden.

How Europe must be laughing.

[horlock07]

An unelected bureaucrat holds a personal press conference in the No 10 Rose Garden.

How Europe must be laughing.

Other countries in history have been seduced and dominated by men in sharp suits, we have allowed ourselves the same by a man who looks and dresses like Andy from Little Britain.

Amazing how all those who criticised Corbyn for not wearing a smart suit or tie are strangely quiet now.

[pauld]

Even worse Reg - trying to make this all about the child (note - press doorstepping is appalling, that is NOT the point here)


Justin Tomlinson MP
@JustinTomlinson
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15h
I absolutely understand the strength of feeling on this, however there is no excuse for the media & protesters targeting a family home - at the centre of all this is a 4 year old child.

The cynical use of the child as a shield is appalling. But still not as bad as needlessly confining the child in a small metal box for 5 hours with two ill people, thus exposing it to a massive viral load. Both however demonstrate that this psychopath cares as little for his own child as he does for the rest of us.